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My Mk677 log 2016

NoAddedHmones said:
I know that is what you would do, but it is awfully overkill. 25mg for two weeks and 12.5mg for two weeks is much more appropriate.
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hairygrandpa said:
I'm referring to this:

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Overall consensus is that Clomid should be run way higher than nolva.
On the other hand, half life of Clomid is long and could, as you said cut to even 3 weeks of use.
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Seems like a combined vote for Nolva to me. Can run it at lower doses and keep everyone happy and should have fewer sides than dealing with 100 mg clomid.
 
Wanted to run cardarine so i don't lose muscle. I don't wanna take a high dose of clomid cause I'm sensitive to compounds as you can see from my results. I also am worried about the thinning of hair from nolva. Would it be better to do a bridge cycle instead of pct then pct after my cut. Or is that too long of a cycle?
 
HIT4ME said:
Seems like a combined vote for Nolva to me. Can run it at lower doses and keep everyone happy and should have fewer sides than dealing with 100 mg clomid.
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The issue is context and also broscience. Hgp just because something is written in an article doesn't mean it is accurate.

This guy has used LGD, where is the estrogen to compete against? Using big doses ie above 50mg will only exacerbate sides, the goal is to return to homeostasis, not crank test super high and in turn estro super high...
 
NoAddedHmones said:
The issue is context and also broscience. Hgp just because something is written in an article doesn't mean it is accurate.

This guy has used LGD, where is the estrogen to compete against? Using big doses ie above 50mg will only exacerbate sides, the goal is to return to homeostasis, not crank test super high and in turn estro super high...
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I agree. I dint my cycle is that bad to need a crazy ass pct. I've read guys pumping all kinds of roidz and there pct was clomid and nolva at a Normal dose and they recovered
 
NoAddedHmones said:
The issue is context and also broscience. Hgp just because something is written in an article doesn't mean it is accurate.

This guy has used LGD, where is the estrogen to compete against? Using big doses ie above 50mg will only exacerbate sides, the goal is to return to homeostasis, not crank test super high and in turn estro super high...
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OP wants to jump start his Test, it's not about estrogen suppression/receptor tapping for him at that point.
Your opinion on the dosage is off mainstream, could you please share any article to read about?
So in your opinion/experience a 25mg Clomid for two weeks and 12.5mg for two weeks would be sufficient to get OP to former test levels?
Anything else he could do?

4evafit said:
Wanted to run cardarine so i don't lose muscle. I don't wanna take a high dose of clomid cause I'm sensitive to compounds as you can see from my results. I also am worried about the thinning of hair from nolva. Would it be better to do a bridge cycle instead of pct then pct after my cut. Or is that too long of a cycle?
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IMHO, Cardarine is only useful for a cut. Prolonging your cycle by bridging into another one can be done -but is it worth the risk? Your lipids surly got a beating -and your nuts too. You should recover first, IMHO.

OP:
The advise giving by me is only my opinion, derived from google searches, bodybuilding forums and own experience.
When it comes to the use of AAS -or Sarms, outside of medical purposes, ALL turns to "bro-science", be aware that any advise here could be right -or wrong on dosages, frequency -or whatever.
 
hairygrandpa said:
OP wants to jump start his Test, it's not about estrogen suppression/receptor tapping for him at that point.
Your opinion on the dosage is off mainstream, could you please share any article to read about?
So in your opinion/experience a 25mg Clomid for two weeks and 12.5mg for two weeks would be sufficient to get OP to former test levels?
Anything else he could do?



IMHO, Cardarine is only useful for a cut. Prolonging your cycle by bridging into another one can be done -but is it worth the risk? Your lipids surly got a beating -and your nuts too. You should recover first, IMHO.

OP:
The advise giving by me is only my opinion, derived from google searches, bodybuilding forums and own experience.
When it comes to the use of AAS -or Sarms, outside of medical purposes, ALL turns to "bro-science", be aware that any advise here could be right -or wrong on dosages, frequency -or whatever.
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Lmfao, please stfu if you have zero idea what you are writing.
 
4evafit said:
I agree. I dint my cycle is that bad to need a crazy ass pct. I've read guys pumping all kinds of roidz and there pct was clomid and nolva at a Normal dose and they recovered
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I have bloods post lgd and 11-kt and lgd, 11-kt, 1-andro, 4-andro and epi andro. Both done 2 weeks at 25mg and 2 weeks at 12.5mg and my test both times was my pre cycle baseline with estro in middle of normal range.
 
hairygrandpa said:
OP wants to jump start his Test, it's not about estrogen suppression/receptor tapping for him at that point.
Your opinion on the dosage is off mainstream, could you please share any article to read about?
So in your opinion/experience a 25mg Clomid for two weeks and 12.5mg for two weeks would be sufficient to get OP to former test levels?
Anything else he could do?



IMHO, Cardarine is only useful for a cut. Prolonging your cycle by bridging into another one can be done -but is it worth the risk? Your lipids surly got a beating -and your nuts too. You should recover first, IMHO.

OP:
The advise giving by me is only my opinion, derived from google searches, bodybuilding forums and own experience.
When it comes to the use of AAS -or Sarms, outside of medical purposes, ALL turns to "bro-science", be aware that any advise here could be right -or wrong on dosages, frequency -or whatever.
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Yeh I'm aware of that. Everyone saying something different. I just want people's experience even though every body is different. I asked the supplier I get my stuff from what he recommends for pct. he said 25mg of ostarine and first 2 weeks then half of that last 2 weeks along with nolva 40/40/20/20
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Lmfao, please stfu if you have zero idea what you are writing.
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Sorry for that.
You should have your own forum with a question and answer section.

NoAddedHmones said:
I have bloods post lgd and 11-kt and lgd, 11-kt, 1-andro, 4-andro and epi andro. Both done 2 weeks at 25mg and 2 weeks at 12.5mg and my test both times was my pre cycle baseline with estro in middle of normal range.
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Very informative anecdotal reference. Thank you.
If you don't want to cite other sources for your claim: "Low dose Clomid is a recommended and effective PCT", I totally understand.
"Ain't nobody got time for that".
 
4evafit said:
Yeh I'm aware of that. Everyone saying something different. I just want people's experience even though every body is different. I asked the supplier I get my stuff from what he recommends for pct. he said 25mg of ostarine and first 2 weeks then half of that last 2 weeks along with nolva 40/40/20/20
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Ostarine in PCT.
I would not do it. For a lot of people it's suppressive. Read some more about it and see if you'll stick to that idea.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Sorry for that.
You should have your own forum with a question and answer section.



Very informative anecdotal reference. Thank you.
If you don't want to cite other sources for your claim: "Low dose Clomid is a recommended and effective PCT", I totally understand.
"Ain't nobody got time for that".
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Like i care what you think lol. I provide actual useful info for people on here. What do you do? Whos the guy who had zero idea what he was doing 12 months ago, and now has a condecending attitude? Keep on potatoeing brah. Unsubbed
 
ericos_bob said:
Any reason why people prefer Clomid over Nolva? Just wondering as I'd planned the Nolvadex route for my first cycle.
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4evafit said:
Yeh I don't get it either. Not sure why you would choose clomid over Nolva
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When I was setting up a PCT I read a ton of medical articles (not on the forums or AAS sites, but on the medical sites. Now before anyone flames me, I did not save the links, just remembered what I read. It was around the efficacy and sides for both nolva and clomid when used for their originally intended purpose (breast cancer treatment). The nolva was know to cause uterine cancer in women, but it was considered an acceptable risk and preferable over the type of breast cancer it was typically used against. But clomid had no such reports or recorded drawbacks (but was not as effective against that type of breast cancer). Now that was 1. for women, 2. for long term usage and 3. at the high end of the dosages we typically see. But knowing that nolva was viewed by the medical community as cancerous to any degree was enough to make me decide to use Clomid.

That is my personal preference, my own decision and I am not trying to convince anyone one way or the other about using nolva or clomid. I am merely answering the question about why some prefer one over the other with my reasons. right, wrong or indifferent.
 
4evafit said:
Yeh I'm aware of that. Everyone saying something different. I just want people's experience even though every body is different. I asked the supplier I get my stuff from what he recommends for pct. he said 25mg of ostarine and first 2 weeks then half of that last 2 weeks along with nolva 40/40/20/20
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What's with the Ostarine in pct - seriously?
 
What about the blurred vision sides of Clomid and moodiness? This was what put me off Clomid. I have read about the potential for Nolva causing cancer in patients taking high doses for 5 plus years continuous use but that isn't me so not a concern.
 
ericos_bob said:
What about the blurred vision sides of Clomid and moodiness? This was what put me off Clomid. I have read about the potential for Nolva causing cancer in patients taking high doses for 5 plus years continuous use but that isn't me so not a concern.
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Many of clomids sides can be totally avoided by using <50mg doses.
 
Day 75 mk677/ day 66 lgd: today was first day of doing liquid mk677 and oh my it tasted really really shocking. I didn't get any numbness in my hands today but I felt really really lethargic. Barely dragged my ass into the gym this evening wasn't feeling it at all. I just did 12 sets of 8-10 reps on bench and got out of there. Got a good pump. Everything still the same as usual still feel really strong, aching joints and cramps. I'm thinking of increasing lgd dose to 12.5mg for these last 3 weeks. Is that gonna be of any benefit??

Here's a quick selfie just before bed. Weight is still 212lbs (96.3kgs)

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Sparkss said:
When I was setting up a PCT I read a ton of medical articles (not on the forums or AAS sites, but on the medical sites. Now before anyone flames me, I did not save the links, just remembered what I read. It was around the efficacy and sides for both nolva and clomid when used for their originally intended purpose (breast cancer treatment). The nolva was know to cause uterine cancer in women, but it was considered an acceptable risk and preferable over the type of breast cancer it was typically used against. But clomid had no such reports or recorded drawbacks (but was not as effective against that type of breast cancer). Now that was 1. for women, 2. for long term usage and 3. at the high end of the dosages we typically see. But knowing that nolva was viewed by the medical community as cancerous to any degree was enough to make me decide to use Clomid.

That is my personal preference, my own decision and I am not trying to convince anyone one way or the other about using nolva or clomid. I am merely answering the question about why some prefer one over the other with my reasons. right, wrong or indifferent.
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Thank you for saving my uterus Sparkss. (lol)

In all seriousness, great research and definitely a viewpoint that I haven't looked at. Higher dose nolva can cause vision sides too.
 
Looking big 4evafit !
Upping LGD would suppress more, if the lethargy is related to test suppression.
Go with your guts, you did awesome so far!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Looking big 4evafit !
Upping LGD would suppress more, if the lethargy is related to test suppression.
Go with your guts, you did awesome so far!
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Cheers. I do think lethargy is from mk. Cause when I don't take it I feel really good. I might try 12.5mg next week for a few days. See how I go.
 
4evafit said:
Cheers. I do think lethargy is from mk. Cause when I don't take it I feel really good. I might try 12.5mg next week for a few days. See how I go.
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Hey man, Im really enjoying this log, and pretty stoked with your gains keep up the great work.

Im almost 1 week in with MK (solo) at 25mg/day (after 1 week at 10) and Im feeling super lethargic.
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Hey man, Im really enjoying this log, and pretty stoked with your gains keep up the great work.

Im almost 1 week in with MK (solo) at 25mg/day (after 1 week at 10) and Im feeling super lethargic.
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Look up BPS Dermacrine, awesome product to fight lethargy, might help!
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Hey man, Im really enjoying this log, and pretty stoked with your gains keep up the great work.

Im almost 1 week in with MK (solo) at 25mg/day (after 1 week at 10) and Im feeling super lethargic.
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Glad your enjoying the log man. Yeh it will be like that for a while lol. How's the hunger going?
 
4evafit said:
Glad your enjoying the log man. Yeh it will be like that for a while lol. How's the hunger going?
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I started the mk on the last week of a 3 month cut at 2200cal/day so ive pretty much been feeling hungry anyway, and havent yet noticed any additional cravings (averaging 2500cal this week so far). Getting lots of random boners though, good sleep and weird dreams. Still early days, only 4 days at 25mg, but hoping i can keep the hunger in check and steadily reverse diet back up to a healthy maintenance. Seriously thinking about running a 3 month cycle of lgd in a couple months after reading your log.
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
I started the mk on the last week of a 3 month cut at 2200cal/day so ive pretty much been feeling hungry anyway, and havent yet noticed any additional cravings (averaging 2500cal this week so far). Getting lots of random boners though, good sleep and weird dreams. Still early days, only 4 days at 25mg, but hoping i can keep the hunger in check and steadily reverse diet back up to a healthy maintenance. Seriously thinking about running a 3 month cycle of lgd in a couple months after reading your log.
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Sounds good Man. I highly recommend lgd with mk for a lean bulk. As you can see it's worked very very well for me and I've been eating garbage. Imagine if I had eaten clean the whole way through ?
 
Day 77 mk677/ day 68 lgd: so today I dosed 12.5mg of lgd to see what happens. Didn't feel much different. Maybe abit more cramps. Hit a awesome back and bi workout today. Got a incredible pump. I will be training each body part twice per week going in towards the end of this cycle. Tommorrow will be leg day. Will be continuing lgd at 12.5mg to see if anything will happen. Weight has been stuck at 212lbs for over 2 weeks now. Might need to increase calorie consumption
 
Day 80 mk677/ day 71 lgd: so today is the 4th day on 12.5mg of ldg. My hunger is uncontrollable,my joints feel like hell and my lethargy is through the roof. I get cramps in every muscle I try tense. I pretty much feel like a 70 yr old man with arthritis. Can't wait to finish this cycle. Over it. I'm still gonna continue doing 12.5mg till the end of my cycle (2 weeks) just because I got 2 bottles and wanna finish them. My libido is **** and I have no sexual drive. I ordered a bottle of nolva today should arrive soon. What dose should I do? I don't want any of that emotional sides bull****. I'm going through stress at the moment and don't want it to get worse. Was thinking just the normal 40/40/20/20 ? Any advice?

Lifts are still strong as but can't go as heavy as I like cause of joint pain. My weight has gone up 1lbs since I started 12.5mg.
 
4evafit said:
Day 80 mk677/ day 71 lgd: so today is the 4th day on 12.5mg of ldg. My hunger is uncontrollable,my joints feel like hell and my lethargy is through the roof. I get cramps in every muscle I try tense. I pretty much feel like a 70 yr old man with arthritis. Can't wait to finish this cycle. Over it. I'm still gonna continue doing 12.5mg till the end of my cycle (2 weeks) just because I got 2 bottles and wanna finish them. My libido is **** and I have no sexual drive. I ordered a bottle of nolva today should arrive soon. What dose should I do? I don't want any of that emotional sides bull****. I'm going through stress at the moment and don't want it to get worse. Was thinking just the normal 40/40/20/20 ? Any advice?

Lifts are still strong as but can't go as heavy as I like cause of joint pain. My weight has gone up 1lbs since I started 12.5mg.
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Nolva or clomid - or both?
 
4evafit said:
I have nolva. Gonna run it solo
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Never heard of emotional sides from it.
40/40/20/20 seems fine to me, personally I would go 2 weeks longer. You could get bloods after 4 weeks and decide then.
 
Yeh what I'm gonna do is do bloods on the last day of cycle and then bloods again 4 weeks later. What bloods to I check? Just total test?
 
Really hope your PCT goes smooth mate, seems like a lot of suffering for your gains with the cramps, lethargy and joint pains on LGD. I'm surprsied you stuck it out as long as you did. Extra hard earned gains there. Think I'd much rather take the risk of joining the dark side for a test-e cycle after following your log.
 
ericos_bob said:
Really hope your PCT goes smooth mate, seems like a lot of suffering for your gains with the cramps, lethargy and joint pains on LGD. I'm surprsied you stuck it out as long as you did. Extra hard earned gains there. Think I'd much rather take the risk of joining the dark side for a test-e cycle after following your log.
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Thanks man. I hope too. I'm kind of worried about nolva heard a lot of horror stories
 
Well you're not alone. I'm on Nolvadex now first time. One week in so far running at 20/20/10/10. Not noticing any sides from it.
 
I did a 1000mg ED stack of 1ad,4ad and Epiandro for a month. I didn't see any kind of gains or effects so decided to stop throwing money at the stuff. It's no surprsie I don't feel shut down but thought i'd do a PCT any way. Figured it'd be nice to experiment with nolvadex before I run a real cycle that way if I have sides to the Nolva now it's no biggie. Would hate to wait until I finish a suppressive cycle only to find out I can't take SERMS due to sides. Anyway so far, so good. Will keep you updated.
 
Day 82 mk677/ day 73 lgd: feeling good. Weight is not changing. Went to Bjj yesterday and felt like a fat dog lol. My mobility is shocking and my joints are killing me. Just finished a chest workout felt good. Wasn't as strong as usual. Maybe cause I'm starving. Attempted to do abs but couldn't due to cramps. Did 1 set and went into a shocking ab cramp. Was screaming in pain lol. Here's a pic from the workout

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4evafit said:
Yeh what I'm gonna do is do bloods on the last day of cycle and then bloods again 4 weeks later. What bloods to I check? Just total test?
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4evafit said:
Yeh should be interesting. So what levels am I supposed to be checking ?
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Here is a great post (here on AM) about where to get the blood work and what to get (to get the numbers you need while keeping the expense in check): http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/157529-cheap-bloodwork-how.html
 
4evafit said:
Thanks bro. But I'm in Australia. It's free here. Just not sure what test need done
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Gotcha. I did not realize that. Just trying to help :). Great progress btw.

If you look at the tests in that "package" from PrivateMD labs, that should give you a pretty good starting point for any post-cycle blood work. And don't skimp on the CBC and CMP. It is always good to evaluate how your liver and kidneys are doing :).
 
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