My first PH cycle... Mechabol

GoliathOnline

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Thanks to everyone for giving me feedback and information on my questions thus far. From researching and asking some questions I think I am ready for my first PH which will be Mechabol with a SERM + SARM pct/bridge.

Why I am choosing Mechabol:

I chose Mecha bc it seems to be similar to promag but with less sides and potentially better results. I know the results are driven by dedication, nutrition, and attention to detail and intentisity with every aspect of one's cycle. However Mech should treat me well (at least from what I have read). I was at first interested in an Hdrol PH (helladrol) but opted for Mecha since it can be considered milder and can kick in faster. I am still open to a last minute switch to Hdrol if someone can solidly reason why it is much better for a first PH.

The Goods:

I mentioned in other threads I had leftover/new supps due to my friend moving out west and wanting to start fresh (he is also upgrading to pinning). He sold me his supps in a bulk deal, there is a lot of stuff I don't need or that I can save for PCT/Bridge. However, here is how my stack should shape up for a 6 week cycle should I use all the supps currently at my disposal:

Mechabol Cycle:

1-6 Mecha 75,75,75,100,100,100
1-6 RS transaderm (standard pump dosing)
1-6 n2guard 3pills am, 4 pills pm
4-12 forma (4 pumps AM & 4 pumps PM)

PCT

6-10 nolva 20,20,20,20
6-12 forma (3 pumps am & 3 pumps PM)
6-12 MK ostarine 12.5mg e/d
6-12 GW (SARM) 5mg AM 5mg PM
6-12 PNI Paragon standard dosing split am & pm
6-12 DAA Bulk Powder - 3g e/d split between am & pm
10-14 Bridge standrd dosing split between am & pm

General Support for full 12:

1-12 OT Multi - 3 pills am, 3 pills PM
1-12 Creatine Nitrate - Standard dosing for pre and post wo
1-12 Toco-8 - standard once a day
1-12 Need2Slin - dosing split for biggest 3 meals a day
1-12 Krill Oil - 1 dose am, 1 dose pm
1-12 Nimbus Bodyguard (intra workout support)
1-12 Melatonin 3mg before bed
1-12 Poseidon NT Sleep Aid
1-12 ZMA -1 tab before bed

I figure I get the strength, recomp, and gain aspects of Mecha and then keep my endurance and strength up during PCT with the Sarms. Since none of the Sarms are overly high in dosage, I won't have any additional shutdown issues and the Paragon, DAA, & Nolva should help start me back up.

Questions:

Does anyone recommend I take another natural test booster during the first 6 weeks to slow shutdown and provide some test? Maybe DAA pwder while on? Or should Transaderm work fine?

Should I go clomid over nolva? I read that nolva would work better for a milder PH stack but would like to hear that reinforced. I am unsure how Nolva+Forma would work...would it be best to stack em together or stagger?

I also have LeanXtreme and Reduce XT, I didn't include them because I was unsure if I should use them both on cycle, PCT, throughout? Or would it be best to stagger them or ditch them?

I have some left over pre workout supps: Swoll-N, Ultima, and Hemavol. From what I have read, most pre workouts can be pushed to the side and used in PCT or days of severe lethargy, but they arent needed during cycle as they can exacerbate back, shin, leg pumps and further affect BP. Is this true?

Oh I forgot, my goal is a lean gain recomp. I'd be pleased with anything from 6-10lbs of staying gains while losing BF% and adding a little edge to my cuts. :-) Eating 2800 to 3100 of clean cals.

Thoughts on my layout? What would you change? throw away? Did I do alright research wise for a template/foundation? I just want to minimize sides while keeping all levels in check.

Thanks,

G.O.
 
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Damn 60 views and no response? Am I really that off base in terms of planning? I know I have a ton of supps but I bought them for a huge discount and figured I might as well use them, this just seemed to be the best stack...all I need is the go ahead that I won't mess myself up much and that, as planned, I have my hormones covered in terms of sides and pct...also what to scrap in terms of overdoing it and potentially messing up my system's level.
 
I'd dump the Nolva for clomid at a low dose or possibly not at all, otherwise I think you're good to go. Lot of stuff and perhaps a bit overkill, but it should give good gains while maximizing recovery and minimizing sides.
 
Mr.Sinister said:
I'd dump the Nolva for clomid at a low dose or possibly not at all, otherwise I think you're good to go. Lot of stuff and perhaps a bit overkill, but it should give good gains while maximizing recovery and minimizing sides.
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Thanks Sinister. I agree it's overkill, what would you ditch or save? Why Clomid over nolva? If I did go Clomid what dose would you suggest? 50 throughout?
 
I've done Osta during PCT. My standard recommendation from my experience is to do Osta <= 10mg per day and to stop with at least 1 week before you end PCT. I personally preload Osta during the last week of cycle, but I can't say for sure if that helps at all (never ran it a different way). Hope this helps.
 
AngryOldMan said:
I've done Osta during PCT. My standard recommendation from my experience is to do Osta <= 10mg per day and to stop with at least 1 week before you end PCT. I personally preload Osta during the last week of cycle, but I can't say for sure if that helps at all (never ran it a different way). Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the input. Do you think Osta is still effective at 10 or less per day? Or is it just the shut down potential isnt worth the risk of any dosages over 10mg? For me the less shut down risk the best so I would gladly dose less osta if it helps ensure this while still gaining the benefits. I would say that the preloading osta idea is a bit new to me...do you preload it at a higher dose? I have never used a SARM before so perhaps even more the reason why my body will be fine at lower dosages to start.
 
GoliathOnline said:
Thanks for the input. Do you think Osta is still effective at 10 or less per day? Or is it just the shut down potential isnt worth the risk of any dosages over 10mg? For me the less shut down risk the best so I would gladly dose less osta if it helps ensure this while still gaining the benefits. I would say that the preloading osta idea is a bit new to me...do you preload it at a higher dose? I have never used a SARM before so perhaps even more the reason why my body will be fine at lower dosages to start.
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I felt shutdown (sorry, no bloodwork) dosing it >10.

Even at lower dosages I felt that it helped me keep gains.

I do preload at 20mg but ramp down by the start of PCT. Most people report that they don't feel it kick in until week 2 or 3, hence the preload.

I've only used it twice in PCT, so I'll be the first to admit that I'm no expert, but this protocol has worked great for me.
 
prider said:
3g of Melatonin ? Are u serious ?
also switch nolva with clomid
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Sorry meant mg! Would never wake up with 3g...I dont take melatonin consistently as I have read it can have negative effects over the long term. But I will use it on cycle to just help my sleep.
 
Anyone feel 50/50/50/50 of clomid for PCT is fine? Or should I try 100/75/50/50 to get an extra kick?

I ask this because I have an oral liquid dropper of clomiphene citrate that is 60ml at 25mg/ml, thus yielding 1500mgs.

I could run 50 a day with this individual bottle and be fine in terms of not having to find more clom (I would only need 1400mg out of the 1500 bottle), but if I need to up the dose for any of the weeks I will be screwed (I could do 4 days at 75mg to start the PCT but I feel that may not be needed or enough). I would rather be prepared and have enough before I start.

Also, I have decided to start cort control (reduce xt + lean xtreme) after two weeks into the pct, I will start reduce xt immediately at the start of pct, run it solo for two weeks, then stack it with lean xtreme until it is finished and then solo with lean xtreme...this coupled with LCLT, DAA, Paragon, Clom, Forma, SARMS, and eventually Bridge should be enough fo a pct, along with my general support supps mentioned above, to help with recovery, keep levels in check, and keep gains in size, strength, and endurance.

Thoughts?
 
prider said:
3g of Melatonin ? Are u serious ?
also switch nolva with clomid
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whats your reasoning for clomid over nolva? just wondering.
 
GoliathOnline said:
Anyone feel 50/50/50/50 of clomid for PCT is fine? Or should I try 100/75/50/50 to get an extra kick?

I ask this because I have an oral liquid dropper of clomiphene citrate that is 60ml at 25mg/ml, thus yielding 1500mgs.

I could run 50 a day with this individual bottle and be fine in terms of not having to find more clom (I would only need 1400mg out of the 1500 bottle), but if I need to up the dose for any of the weeks I will be screwed (I could do 4 days at 75mg to start the PCT but I feel that may not be needed or enough). I would rather be prepared and have enough before I start.

Also, I have decided to start cort control (reduce xt + lean xtreme) after two weeks into the pct, I will start reduce xt immediately at the start of pct, run it solo for two weeks, then stack it with lean xtreme until it is finished and then solo with lean xtreme...this coupled with LCLT, DAA, Paragon, Clom, Forma, SARMS, and eventually Bridge should be enough fo a pct, along with my general support supps mentioned above, to help with recovery, keep levels in check, and keep gains in size, strength, and endurance.

Thoughts?
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I don't think you need that much Clomid for a solo run of Mechabol. I would go 50/50/25/25. Some might say to do 50 straight through, but that 100/75/50/50 is definitely way overkill.
 
I've been recommended clomid by guys I trust on other boards. They have a bunch of sound reasons so that's what I'm going with. I was almost convinced to run no SERM as there is a big movement to do so, with some pretty convincing numbers behind it, but in the end I'm running it. I'm doing 25/25/12.5/12.5. I get vision problems from it higher than that. I'm also running forged PCT with DAA and Osta. I have HCGenerate and Forma if I feel it's needed. I'm going right into Osta/S-4 for 8 weeks after PCT and have bridge and forma for that as well. Then it's clean for a while until I put together my first injectable/transdermal run.
 
i ran 20mgs of ostarine during pct with no additional shutdown. tamoxifen citrate took roughly 3 weeks to get me recovered....
 
Mr.Sinister said:
I've been recommended clomid by guys I trust on other boards. They have a bunch of sound reasons so that's what I'm going with. I was almost convinced to run no SERM as there is a big movement to do so, with some pretty convincing numbers behind it, but in the end I'm running it. I'm doing 25/25/12.5/12.5. I get vision problems from it higher than that. I'm also running forged PCT with DAA and Osta. I have HCGenerate and Forma if I feel it's needed. I'm going right into Osta/S-4 for 8 weeks after PCT and have bridge and forma for that as well. Then it's clean for a while until I put together my first injectable/transdermal run.
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Without making you type a dissertation out, could you give some of the points as to why no SERM is preferable for a run of something like mechabol? Also why Clomid is better than nolva?
 
hvactech said:
i ran 20mgs of ostarine during pct with no additional shutdown. tamoxifen citrate took roughly 3 weeks to get me recovered....
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I actually read your mecha cycle info man and it is what inspired me to try it, seemed to treat you damn well. I think i may go with clomid, but I am still unsure if it is the best route. I think Clom, DAA, Paragon, SARMS, Forma, Lean Xtreme, should treat me well in PCT.

Would anyone recommend D-Pol pwder over just bulk DAA powder? I understand D-Pol is more of a pre, I already have Hemavol+Ultima combo along with Swoll-N (probably won't use), and Creatine Nitrate (will be using for whole cycle + pct). I think getting on Aegis or Organ Shield during PCT and Bridge period would really help me out in terms of recovery but I think I am good as of now. Thoughts?
 
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