My Favorite Preworkout Products and Why?

thebigt said:
new white flood is very good-but get the watermelon flavor. i didn't like the taste of lemonade.
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We're searching for loggers of watermelon right now over on the other site ;)


(And I believe here soon as well)
 
Powercage said:
We're searching for loggers of watermelon right now over on the other site ;)


(And I believe here soon as well)
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i have talked with several guys who have tried the new flood, the consensus is go with watermelon, lol.:laugh:
 
thebigt said:
i have talked with several guys who have tried the new flood, the consensus is go with watermelon, lol.:laugh:
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Id agree with them. The watermelon flavor is insanely good
 
Powercage said:
Id agree with them. The watermelon flavor is insanely good
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that is what i have been hearing-to be honest the taste was the only thing i didn't like about the lemonade new flood-effects were very good, but the aftertaste lasted damned near my whole workout.
 
AndrewNico said:
fuuuuuu I have the lemonade here . . . :frustrate
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lol!

thebigt said:
that is what i have been hearing-to be honest the taste was the only thing i didn't like about the lemonade new flood-effects were very good, but the aftertaste lasted damned near my whole workout.
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Glad to see you liked the effects. One thing I can say is that if you do wish to try the new WF again, the watermelon flavor wont let you down. No bias, its really good. Everyone that has tried it has loved it
 
Powercage said:
lol!



Glad to see you liked the effects. One thing I can say is that if you do wish to try the new WF again, the watermelon flavor wont let you down. No bias, its really good. Everyone that has tried it has loved it
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i plan on trying the watermelon. the effects of the new flood are a real change of pace for me-not overstimmed, but a real nice feel good effect. motivation and focus are top notch.
 
thebigt said:
that is what i have been hearing-to be honest the taste was the only thing i didn't like about the lemonade new flood-effects were very good, but the aftertaste lasted damned near my whole workout.
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How does it compare to other nitrate based PWO's, BigT?
 
southpaw23 said:
How does it compare to other nitrate based PWO's, BigT?
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pump is just slightly less, but very close.
i think it makes up for it in other ways.



white flood is a must try imo, it's just different-for me it is a very nice change of pace.
 
thebigt said:
pump is just slightly less, but very close.
i think it makes up for it in other ways.



white flood is a must try imo, it's just different-for me it is a very nice change of pace.
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Strong stim? I know you'll be honest about the stim strength, we've spoken at length in the past stims, neither of us are usually impressed.
 
southpaw23 said:
Strong stim? I know you'll be honest about the stim strength, we've spoken at length in the past.
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no, it's not even close to being the strongest stim preworkout, but it is a altogether different effect. it's kind of like taking half a dose of a hgh booster like hghpro and adding stims to it...calm alertness is how i describe it.
 
thebigt said:
no, it's not even close to being the strongest stim preworkout, but it is a altogether different effect. it's kind of like taking half a dose of a hgh booster like hghpro and adding stims to it...calm alertness is how i describe it.
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Yea, White Flood gives a very unique feel. Straight focus in my opinion. Amps you up, but in a lucid way.

How many scoops were you taking when you were dosing btw? Ive found my favorite is 1.5 pre and .5 in my intra
 
Powercage said:
Except you dont want Modern BCAA on a cut...it makes no sense to use an 8:1:1 then, its not as beneficial as a 2:1:1 product on a cut. On a bulk just get straight Leucine or a good high leucine containing product.

Just use your Xtend, Purple Wraath, Dymatize Recoup on a cut, it is more worthwhile
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Please aware me of why on this? I thought the current trend in BCAA products like Xtend were moving to higher doses of Leucine?

I really don't wann to flavor stuff so I will probably stick with xtend anyway.
 
lewdog55 said:
Please aware me of why on this? I thought the current trend in BCAA products like Xtend were moving to higher doses of Leucine?

I really don't wann to flavor stuff so I will probably stick with xtend anyway.
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Going vastly above a 2:1:1 ratio could deplete your isoleucine and valine reserves (yes there are arguments to go up anywhere in excess of 3 or 4:1:1 on a cut). Basically the only time you really need a BCAA product anyway is on a cut when you are deficient in your intake. At this same time, you have less circulating isoleucine and valine from food. Leucine needs isoleucine and valine to be utilized. If you have an overabundance of Leucine such as in an 8:1:1 product you could deplete all of your extra isoleucine and valine. Leaving you with unused Leucine in your system


Now a time when higher leucine levels can be beneficial is on a bulk because you will be using isoleucine and valine from the excess intake from food you have circulating in your system. During a bulk it is almost pointless to be taking a 2:1:1 product (not counting postprandial spike protocol). During a bulk it is beneficial to use bulk Leucine tho to take advantage of the extra isoleucine and valine in your system. If you are going to go for an 8:1:1 product you may as well choose an intra with closer to that ratio so you get the 8:1:1 plus other goodies. I dont really see a reason to buy an 8:1:1 bulk BCAA product as a bulk Leucine product is cheaper and will get the job done in the same manner (and unless you are massively dosing the bulk leucine, you wont run thru your isoleucine and valine reserves)
 
Powercage said:
Going vastly above a 2:1:1 ratio could deplete your isoleucine and valine reserves (yes there are arguments to go up anywhere in excess of 3 or 4:1:1 on a cut). Basically the only time you really need a BCAA product anyway is on a cut when you are deficient in your intake. At this same time, you have less circulating isoleucine and valine from food. Leucine needs isoleucine and valine to be utilized. If you have an overabundance of Leucine such as in an 8:1:1 product you could deplete all of your extra isoleucine and valine. Leaving you with unused Leucine in your system


Now a time when higher leucine levels can be beneficial is on a bulk because you will be using isoleucine and valine from the excess intake from food you have circulating in your system. During a bulk it is almost pointless to be taking a 2:1:1 product (not counting postprandial spike protocol). During a bulk it is beneficial to use bulk Leucine tho to take advantage of the extra isoleucine and valine in your system. If you are going to go for an 8:1:1 product you may as well choose an intra with closer to that ratio so you get the 8:1:1 plus other goodies. I dont really see a reason to buy an 8:1:1 bulk BCAA product as a bulk Leucine product is cheaper and will get the job done in the same manner (and unless you are massively dosing the bulk leucine, you wont run thru your isoleucine and valine reserves)
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That makes sense. Thanks for the great info!

I am cutting now and use Xtend intraworkout and I really enjoy drinking it too since it tastes good.

When I go back to bulking then, what intra product would you recommend to take that has a ratio close to 8:1:1 and has other goodies?
 
lewdog55 said:
That makes sense. Thanks for the great info!

I am cutting now and use Xtend intraworkout and I really enjoy drinking it too since it tastes good.

When I go back to bulking then, what intra product would you recommend to take that has a ratio close to 8:1:1 and has other goodies?
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PsyKO is the only intra I can think of offhand that is formulated for a bulk/maintenance.


There are quite a few good ones I would recommend for a cut: Dymatize recoup, Purple Wraath, Intrabolic, Core ABC. All good options
 
Powercage said:
PsyKO is the only intra I can think of offhand that is formulated for a bulk/maintenance.


There are quite a few good ones I would recommend for a cut: Dymatize recoup, Purple Wraath, Intrabolic, Core ABC. All good options
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just wanted to say that you have been a real asset since joing AM!!!! some good info you put out.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Powercage, you follow laynes research I see.
Btw I like Novem by scivation, basic pre-wo that works.
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I have not had the chance to try Novem yet, what do you think its best aspects are? Also what other preworkouts have you tried?
 
Best aspects for me are:
1)Energy and focus, not to much, just right. AND I can sleep at night, will never touch a 1,3 product again bc of this product.
2)Fullness, not pumps but i feel fuller going into my sessions and thus increases pumps.
3)Effects you would expect from 2.5g creatine mono, 1.5g beta-a, 2g taurine pre-wo lol

Like i said its basic, i never need more then 1 serving which means i get 40 servings for 25$ and the taste is good to (i have mixed berry). Gets the job done and keeps money in my wallet.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Best aspects for me are:
1)Energy and focus, not to much, just right. AND I can sleep at night, will never touch a 1,3 product again bc of this product.
2)Fullness, not pumps but i feel fuller going into my sessions and thus increases pumps.
3)Effects you would expect from 2.5g creatine mono, 1.5g beta-a, 2g taurine pre-wo lol

Like i said its basic, i never need more then 1 serving which means i get 40 servings for 25$ and the taste is good to (i have mixed berry). Gets the job done and keeps money in my wallet.
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Nice :) I agree with you, I dont really touch 1,3 stuff. Only 1,3 I like is PSU and even with that I prefer the non 1,3 pre's
 
I bet your not the only one south. I personally cant handle the level of stim 1,3 is for the purpose of working out. Plus I like sleeping at night lol.
 
schizm said:
I'm with ya too man! 1,3 rocks....
I've oftened wondered for those that don't like 1,3 do they also not like Ephedrine?
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Me too. I like it and it depends on the formulation as well. Because some 1,3 products I hated and caused me to crash, while there were/are others (APS White Lightening and IForce Maximize, Dexaprine) that I love.
 
southpaw23 said:
Me too. I like it and it depends on the formulation as well. Because some 1,3 products I hated and caused me to crash, while there were/are others (APS White Lightening and IForce Maximize, Dexaprine) that I love.
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I've not had many that I've crashed from...You tried Purus's Muscle Marinade? Have read that it has (or at least users feel it has) near same amts of 1,3 that meso has...but have yet to try it...
 
schizm said:
I've not had many that I've crashed from...You tried Purus's Muscle Marinade? Have read that it has (or at least users feel it has) near same amts of 1,3 that meso has...but have yet to try it...
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I did try it once and I was up for over 14 hours lol.
 
SweetLou321 said:
what is it about ultima that makes it so great?
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Its stim free, but very well dosed. The ingredients will actually help your lifts unlike most of the pre's that everyone blurts out that are just stims

Unfortunately, most people dont know the difference between ingredients that actually help and ones just overloaded with stimulants to give you a fake sense of efficacy

Throw 1,3 and caffeine into something or massive caffeine and you'll find someone who says its great whether or not the rest of the ingredients are garbage
 
Coffee- it works the best and its cheap. You think Dorian Yates was using Ignite or any of that other bullcrap? Nope, Mr. O drank black coffee!! Good enough for me
 
CoorsLight126 said:
Coffee- it works the best and its cheap. You think Dorian Yates was using Ignite or any of that other bullcrap? Nope, Mr. O drank black coffee!! Good enough for me
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Are you serious?

Did you really suggest someone that uses steroids as a reason to just use coffee? You dont really need a preworkout if you are doing heavy doses of anabolics :p

lol
 
CoorsLight126 said:
Coffee- it works the best and its cheap. You think Dorian Yates was using Ignite or any of that other bullcrap? Nope, Mr. O drank black coffee!! Good enough for me
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They didn't have pre-workouts when he competed. He did probably use the original ECA stack however as most pro's did.
 
Powercage, i see your point. I understand the ingredients, i guess the product works period. Something ill just have to try for myself :)

dorian did black coffee with whey and 25mg ephedra, or so he says
 
Powercage said:
Now a time when higher leucine levels can be beneficial is on a bulk because you will be using isoleucine and valine from the excess intake from food you have circulating in your system...If you are going to go for an 8:1:1 product you may as well choose an intra with closer to that ratio so you get the 8:1:1 plus other goodies.
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Very informative, thanks!

Question: I just happened to have two tabs of BCAA 6000 (4:1:1) laying around and I am currently bulking. When is the best time to take something like BCAA 6000? 30 minutes before a meal? And what do you think about using 4:1:1 ratio on a bulk?
 
Is the new white flood available for purchase yet? Or is the original still the only one available for purchse?
 
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