My experience with Shippen & Crisler

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toddchris said:
Dr. John is correct.

Here's what the NIH says about it:


Osteopathic physician


A doctor of osteopathic medicine (D.O.) is a physician licensed to perform surgery and prescribe medication. Like an M.D., an osteopathic physician completes 4 years of medical school and can choose to practice in any specialty of medicine. However, osteopathic physicians receive an additional 300 to 500 hours in the study of hands-on manual medicine and the body's musculoskeletal system.

Osteopathic medicine is dedicated to treating and healing the entire patient as a whole, rather than focusing on one system or body part. An osteopathic physician will often use a treatment method called manipulation -- a hands-on approach to assure that the body is moving freely. This free motion ensures that all of your body's natural healing systems are free to work unhindered.

Oosteopathic physicians hold to the principle that a patient's history of illness and physical trauma are written into the body's structure. The osteopathic physician's highly developed sense of touch allows the physician to palpate (feel) the patient's "living anatomy" (the flow of fluids, motion and texture of tissues, and structural make-up).

The osteopathic physician's job is to "set" the body to heal itself. To do so, the osteopathic physician gently applies a precise amount of force to promote healthy movement of tissues, eliminate abnormal movements, and release compressed bones and joints. In addition, the areas being treated require proper positioning to assist the body's ability to regain normal tissue function. This process is called osteopathic manual medicine (OMM) or osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT).

Over the years, the gap between "conventional" medicine and osteopathic medicine has narrowed, as M.D.s have embraced many of the premises of osteopathic medicine (such as recognizing the impact of stress on the immune system or posture on various body systems). In addition, D.O.s have incorporated the diagnostic and treatment techniques common to conventional medicine.

Doctors of osteopathic medicine may be found in nearly any health care setting, from community clinics and private practices to academic medical centers.

Like M.D.s, osteopathic physicians are licensed at the state level. Osteopathic physicians who wish to specialize may become "board certified" (in much the same manner as M.D.s) by completing a 2- to 6-year residency within the specialty area and passing the board certification exams.
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During medical school, some of the MD students came over and took our classes. But none of ours went over there.
 
Trevor Miller said:
Thank you. I thought you were going to roid-rage on me for a second there :toofunny:
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Now you know "roid rage" is a myth. LOL

When you put a jerk on steroids, now you have a jerk on steroids! They won't turn a good man into a bad man any more than placing a gun in the hand of an honest man will turn him into a bankrobber.
 
It is with some trepidation I make this post as I don't want to add to any drama, but as a patient of Dr. John's, I feel compelled to make a statement.

Like any business, any doctors office can have occasional hiccups. Being self-employed, I understand the demands. Dr. J's office has always been at least as organized (probably more) than most offices with whom I have been acquainted.

Have I ever had to wait for a VOV? Sure. Have I showed up to my PCP's for an 11 am appointment only to be seen at 12:15? Yep. In fact the same thing happened to my wife at the otolaryngologist yesterday and she was late getting back to work. At least I can still do what I need to do if he's an hour off.

The best doctors are always the busy ones. Find me a doctor with a small patient load and I can probably show you a brand new doc or one who isn't very good.

Dr. J's care has always been exceptional.

In fact, when I went to medical school, oh wait, that's right, I didn't go to medical school, and that's probably why Dr. J doesn't need to spend the first 10 minutes of a VOV listening to me explain my labs to him.

The things people are complaining about seem silly to me. Which isn't to say i don't appreciate a different perspective - everybody's allowed their's - but really, for cutting edge, I'll go with the bumps in the road.

I've never found Dr. J to be arrogant, but even if I did, I'd deal with it for the care I get. Give me a self confident physician any day. I don't need a new best friend (though I consider him one), I need someone who can do his job.

Dr. J has always excelled at that.
 
Bravo, Rick. Well said.

rick055 said:
Like any business, any doctors office can have occasional hiccups. Being self-employed, I understand the demands. Dr. J's office has always been at least as organized (probably more) than most offices with whom I have been acquainted.

Have I ever had to wait for a VOV? Sure. Have I showed up to my PCP's for an 11 am appointment only to be seen at 12:15? Yep. In fact the same thing happened to my wife at the otolaryngologist yesterday and she was late getting back to work. At least I can still do what I need to do if he's an hour off.

The best doctors are always the busy ones. Find me a doctor with a small patient load and I can probably show you a brand new doc or one who isn't very good.

Dr. J's care has always been exceptional.

In fact, when I went to medical school, oh wait, that's right, I didn't go to medical school, and that's probably why Dr. J doesn't need to spend the first 10 minutes of a VOV listening to me explain my labs to him.

The things people are complaining about seem silly to me. Which isn't to say i don't appreciate a different perspective - everybody's allowed their's - but really, for cutting edge, I'll go with the bumps in the road.

I've never found Dr. J to be arrogant, but even if I did, I'd deal with it for the care I get. Give me a self confident physician any day. I don't need a new best friend (though I consider him one), I need someone who can do his job..
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Your comments are helping to put things in perspective, especially since you are a patient of the good Doctor.
 
krazy said:
Thats pretty shitty you describe past customers as 'not cool enough, anyways'.
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You really pulled that one out of your butt.
I think the doctor meant that he would prefer patients of good character that would not to bash others behind their back.
 
What a cry baby. Crankyballs I do not usually get involved with these online line fights but you need to grow up and look at the world as a man instead looking at it as a child. I am a patient of Dr. Crisler's and just saw him the first time last month and he is a great doctor so far. His staff is tops also. I have been to a lot of doctors in my life and he is right up there as 1 of the best so far. I have not had my VOV yet, but the way it has been going so far I have nothing to worry about. A doctor is only a man and as a man he is not going to not get things right the first time all the time. He sure as hell isn't going to get it if not given the chance. You almost seem like a man that didn't get what you wanted so you blame everyone but the person in the mirror. You want to rant be a man and rant like 1.


PAS and EOS

That means:

Plain And Simple & End Of Story
 
Dr. John said:
Isn't it just uncanny how this guy's experience is so different from everyone else's?

You were always welcome to travel in to see me each time.
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That's what I was thinking. What he describes...ALL OF IT...it totally different from my experiences.

Hell...I just had a VOV yesterday that was supposed to start 2:15PM. It started at 2:16PM. I get my meds in a timely manner. Of course I am conscientious enough to keep track of my scripts and allow for the proper amount of lead time when I need to refill them.
 
smitty4 said:
I quite enjoyed the couple occasions that Kim came in, :jaw: one of which was to bring us water.
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Ya, you were obviously very thirsty that day. LOL

That guy is actually complaining that there is staff walking around in the office during business hours. Unbelievable.
 
smitty4 said:
That's what I was thinking. What he describes...ALL OF IT...it totally different from my experiences.

Hell...I just had a VOV yesterday that was supposed to start 2:15PM. It started at 2:16PM. I get my meds in a timely manner. Of course I am conscientious enough to keep track of my scripts and allow for the proper amount of lead time when I need to refill them.
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Then I screwed up big time. I'm supposed to make guys wait a while. The other docs will be mad at me.
 
Dr. John said:
If every doctor who provides TRT would invest years of clinical experience in learning to restart the HPTA, this field of medicine would be light years ahead.
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I have to agree with you on that. Most so-called anti-aging docs are clueless. Your previous work has had to give you insight. A background in clinical research was one of the reasons I chose my doctor.
 
Dr. John said:
Then I screwed up big time. I'm supposed to make guys wait a while. The other docs will be mad at me.
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I don't know about other folks, but I can usually count on waiting a while when I go see my PCP. It reminds me of a time I was waiting for someone who was having an outpatient procedure done. Someone came up and ask the nurses if a patient had gone in for their procedure yet and if everyone was being seen on time. They nurses laughed and said, "Let's put it this way. If you are scheduled to be the first patient of the day, you MIGHT be seen on time. Other than that"...the laughing continued...

That's why I know what time it was when Dr. John called. When the phone rang, I thought, "You have GOT to be kidding! How many docs are right on time?!"
 
colkurtz_spf said:
I have to agree with you on that. Most so-called anti-aging docs are clueless. Your previous work has had to give you insight. A background in clinical research was one of the reasons I chose my doctor.
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I'm very open about my previous steroid use. In order to understand a thing, you must understand its extremes. I know what it feels to be jacked up, and also totally crashed. That's why I understand how my guys feel the way they do.

My "background" was at the gym. LOL
 
smitty4 said:
I don't know about other folks, but I can usually count on waiting a while when I go see my PCP. It reminds me of a time I was waiting for someone who was having an outpatient procedure done. Someone came up and ask the nurses if a patient had gone in for their procedure yet and if everyone was being seen on time. They nurses laughed and said, "Let's put it this way. If you are scheduled to be the first patient of the day, you MIGHT be seen on time. Other than that"...the laughing continued...

That's why I know what time it was when Dr. John called. When the phone rang, I thought, "You have GOT to be kidding! How many docs are right on time?!"
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I've got to make sure that doesn't happen again. What will my colleagues think?

But true enough, it drives my staff nuts when I get so far behind. Patricia especially--she's the Drill SGT around here. But I just cannot seem to get a case out of my mind until I figure it out--even if that means staring at the ceiling all night (which has happened many, many times).
 
Looking forward to your comments on metabolic pathways, in some future discussions.

Those radio talk shows,
are they available thru internet radio?
If yes, details please.
Or, possibly, if you state time and radio station,
someone else would figure out internet access.
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Thank you for your public service, dr John.
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Dr. John said:
It's true--like many men who train, it's really hard to find dress shirts that fit properly. So I have them made by this racket in New York. They cost me all of $49 per shirt--less than off the rack back home. I regularly recommend them to my patients, so they can both look better, and save some money
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Please post name, address and phone.

Dr. John said:
I'd be happy to, if that's alright with the Mod here.
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PM would do (as a last resort).
 
Dr. John said:
I've got to make sure that doesn't happen again. What will my colleagues think?

But true enough, it drives my staff nuts when I get so far behind. Patricia especially--she's the Drill SGT around here. But I just cannot seem to get a case out of my mind until I figure it out--even if that means staring at the ceiling all night (which has happened many, many times).
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I have to confess that I just don't understand that folks would get rattled about a couple things. One is that you might be behind on the schedule. Stuff comes up! That is life! If it was THEM that was their issue that was throwing off the schedule, they wouldn't think twice about taking extra time...thus making the schedule off. I cannot be the only one who waits when they go to their PCP or any other doctor for that matter, yet some seem to try to hold HRT physicians to a different standard than their own PCP.

The other issue I have is the fact that some folks seem to be upset about the amount of time spent with them. Again, I wonder how many times they walk out of their PCP's office *****ing because they didnt' spend an hour discussing all of the possible nuances of their current issue. The homornal milieu is complex as hell! When a person first visits an HRT doctor, it makes perfect sense to me that they would address the basics first. THEN see where things are, rather than discussing all the possible nuances. Some of the other issues may very well be alleviated by addressing the basics first. The Pareto principle applies to most things in life.
 
rick055 said:
Dr. J's care has always been exceptional.

In fact, when I went to medical school, oh wait, that's right, I didn't go to medical school, and that's probably why Dr. J doesn't need to spend the first 10 minutes of a VOV listening to me explain my labs to him.

The things people are complaining about seem silly to me. Which isn't to say i don't appreciate a different perspective - everybody's allowed their's - but really, for cutting edge, I'll go with the bumps in the road.

I've never found Dr. J to be arrogant, but even if I did, I'd deal with it for the care I get. Give me a self confident physician any day. I don't need a new best friend (though I consider him one), I need someone who can do his job.

Dr. J has always excelled at that.
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:goodpost:

Pretty much my experience with him.

As Dr. John says crankyballs...Man Up!!
 
there are always two sides to a story. Dr John stated his now and we know he has numerous happy patients.

you cannot satisfy them all but I think his record speaks for itself, don't you?
 
Another happy Crisler patient here! My first visit was in March. The consultation went well, Kim and Patricia were nice. They would be welcome to come in during my office visit at any point. Well maybe not the prostate exam. Got my tests. Got the results and VOV quick. Got the script quick. Whenever I have a question by email or phone I get an instant answer.
 
I have followed Dr. John for yrs. and never has one person I told to see him ever got back to me not happy. I was never his Patient yet on the web he saved my life. Show me one Dr. that would do this ever. I have been sick for over 25 yrs. seen every kind of Dr. on this planet. I have been told I am Primary for 23 yrs.

I asked my Dr. to let me try HCG and he told me being Primary would not help because my testis don't work. I posted this on the web and Dr. John came back to me saying this for my Dr.
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No. He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing) there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.
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I showed this to my Dr. and he let me try HCG at the time my testis were the size of small grapes. After my 15th shot of HCG we tested and my TT went from 600 to 1200. I asked my Dr. how is this passable yet he was not the Dr. that told me I was Primary. He said it must be your Adrenals making it.

Dr. John told me not passable that there must be something wrong with my Pituitary and I got an MRI nothing showed up.

But looking back in my records my Dr. found I had a bad head injury about 6 months before I first got sick and told me like Dr. John it must be my Pituitary.

Say what you want about Dr. John I don't believe you this is a bunch of Bull. You most be that guy that follows Dr. John around on the net slamming him. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see through the Bull your putting out here.

When I say he saved my life I am not kidding that winter I all most died due to Bronchitis and Pneumonia. I would get this every winter and each time it was worse. This was because my Adrenals were not getting the message to make Cortisol. All these yrs. Dr. after Dr. all telling my I should be feeling better on TRT. Now Thanks to Dr. John every thing that was low or even low normal is being treated. Looking back at my old labs they were screaming a Pituitary Problem now I feel better.

Like I said I never seen him and I have seen the best of the best not one had a clue. He did and it was over the forums.

It's not everyday you find a Dr. that is this good let alone do it on the web.
 
Dr. John Said:
Would that be the "favor" of spending (literally) thousands of hours, donated time, answering medical questions on the Boards for free? LOL

The obvious reason you do that is to start an online 'buzz' about you, (which has worked) and to get your name directly to the possible future patients you want to build your personal medical empire, not out of the kindness of your sweet little heart. (so spare me) LOL

Not that it's a bad thing- it's the American dream- but it's not charity work.





;)
 
And The Issue Is?

tawney said:
. . . and get your name directly to the possible future patients . . . (so spare me)
;)
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You say it's not a bad thing, yet you make it sound like a bad thing. Dr. John offers world class care to his patients, and there are MANY who need this care, and yes he does have to make a living in the process and at the same time I'm sure he gets some fulfillment out of it as well.

So quit trying to make what he's doing into some evil scheme upon society and join the REAL world.

tc
 
Medical empire??? Seems a tad outlandish. Think what you want, the doctor genuinly has interest in helping people. NO ONE would put as much time and effort on the forums as he does unless he cared. Of course he wants patients, thats his business. But he also spends a lot of time helping people via the net that arn't his patients.




tawney said:
Dr. John Said:
Would that be the "favor" of spending (literally) thousands of hours, donated time, answering medical questions on the Boards for free? LOL

The obvious reason you do that is to start an online 'buzz' about you, (which has worked) and to get your name directly to the possible future patients you want to build your personal medical empire, not out of the kindness of your sweet little heart. (so spare me) LOL

Not that it's a bad thing- it's the American dream- but it's not charity work.





;)
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tawney said:
Dr. John Said:
Would that be the "favor" of spending (literally) thousands of hours, donated time, answering medical questions on the Boards for free? LOL

The obvious reason you do that is to start an online 'buzz' about you, (which has worked) and to get your name directly to the possible future patients you want to build your personal medical empire, not out of the kindness of your sweet little heart. (so spare me) LOL

Not that it's a bad thing- it's the American dream- but it's not charity work.




;)
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Let's not let facts get in the way of your delusions. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you are such an ingrate, at least have the decency to keep your vileness to yourself. It's people like you that poison the Forums for all.

I have not cleared $5 per hour from the time I have spent on the Forums. I have heard that same crap from petty, misguided individuals like you for years now. Sheesh.

Ya, and Mother Teresa was in it for the rice. LOL
 
Dr. John said:
I've got to make sure that doesn't happen again. What will my colleagues think?

But true enough, it drives my staff nuts when I get so far behind. Patricia especially--she's the Drill SGT around here. But I just cannot seem to get a case out of my mind until I figure it out--even if that means staring at the ceiling all night (which has happened many, many times).
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Let me give you something to think about.
If it was not for shippen in the first place being the pioneer for bringing testostosterone to the for front. Most of the men on here probably be up shitz creek with out a paddle Even worse being some family dr antidepressant experiment popping paxil down your throat making you rsex drive even worse. I have been a victim of this piss poor and lazy approach to handle a simple hormonal imbalance. Let me tell you as soon knew something was wrong first book I bought was testosterone syndrome by shippen. Yes shippen is getting up there in age and new leaps and bounds have been made since that book came out. If it is not for the guys of like Dr j and shippen as well as others alot of men out there would not be on TRT. Since feeling like crap for so long how many guys have lost time at work, relationships and even money due to this hormonal imbalance? You need to look at the tremendous advances that have been made because with out them your life would not be the same..Who are the men that endured years of giving up there lifes in medical school to have the honor of being called a DO or MD.
 
tawney said:
Dr. John Said:
Would that be the "favor" of spending (literally) thousands of hours, donated time, answering medical questions on the Boards for free? LOL

The obvious reason you do that is to start an online 'buzz' about you, (which has worked) and to get your name directly to the possible future patients you want to build your personal medical empire, not out of the kindness of your sweet little heart. (so spare me) LOL

Not that it's a bad thing- it's the American dream- but it's not charity work.





;)
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Let's explore your delusions further, "tawney". Are you having a fantasy that "crankyballs" and I are in cahoots here?

If so, please share with us all what color the sky is in your world. LOL.
 
The Matrix said:
Let me give you something to think about.
If it was not for shippen in the first place being the pioneer for bringing testostosterone to the for front. Most of the men on probably be up shitz creek with out a paddle or be to some family dr popping paxil down your throat making you sense drive even worse. I have been a victim of this piss poor and lazy approach to handle a simple hormonal imbalance. Let me tell you as soon knew something wa wrong first book I bought was testosterone syndrome by shippen. Yes shippen is getting up there and age and new leaps and bounds have been made since that book came out. If it is not for the guys of like Dr j and shippen as well as others alot of men out there would not be on TRT. Since feel like crap for so long how many guys have lost time at work, relationships and even money due to this hormonal imbalance. You need to look at the tremendous advances that have been made because with out them your life would not be the same...
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Dr. Shippen is no less than a living legend in our field. While he and I do things differently, sometimes very differently, we all owe him a huge debt of gratitude. The man really thinks about what this stuff is about.

From personal experience, I can tell you everyone here (except a couple of misfits who probably don't get along with anyone) would really enjoy hanging out with him. He's a seriously good fellow.
 
joe143 said:
Medical empire??? Seems a tad outlandish. Think what you want, the doctor genuinly has interest in helping people. NO ONE would put as much time and effort on the forums as he does unless he cared. Of course he wants patients, thats his business. But he also spends a lot of time helping people via the net that arn't his patients.
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"Medical Empire" for sale.

Cheap.

All reasonable bids considered.
 
tawney said:
Dr. John Said:
Would that be the "favor" of spending (literally) thousands of hours, donated time, answering medical questions on the Boards for free? LOL

The obvious reason you do that is to start an online 'buzz' about you, (which has worked) and to get your name directly to the possible future patients you want to build your personal medical empire, not out of the kindness of your sweet little heart. (so spare me) LOL
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Now that is one of the funniest things I have read in a while. You sound like someone that would criticize people that give to charity because they are in it for the tax break.
 
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