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My Dermatologist says to stay off the juice

UnicronSpawn

UnicronSpawn

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Went to the dermatologist the other day for my acne on my chest, back, shoulders and upper arms. I guess he could tell I was a juicer. He caught me off gaurd. He prescribed me some topical clindimycin and minocillin. But he told me to stay off steroids. Said "it will make it worse in the long run". The long run? what the f#*# is that supposed to mean? Sometimes my acne gets worse when I go on, sometimes it gets better, sometimes it gets worse late in the cycle, sometimes it gets worse when Im off, sometimes it gets better when Im off. But I know guys who take higher doses than me but have great skin. WTF?

I've been off test for a bit, and was planning to start my next cycle around xmas. Now Im having second thoughts. What if I come back in 5 wks to the derm and I have not gotten any better in the acne department but have conspicous ammounts of new lean mass?

Ideally derms and GP's would just work WITH steroid users and find a treatment combo that would allow for the anabolic steroids to be used with the minimal acne possible. I could always just lie and stick to the lie even if he's suspicious, then either one of two things would result. Either he would cease to try very hard to work with me because he thinks Im a liar and doesnt want to bother helping a vain steroid user have nicer skin. Or he would say "OK, I guess we'll have to try something stronger with you."

On the other hand, maybe the acne meds will help despite the test/tren. Who knows? If that were the case Id be missing out by not taking advantage of the derm treatments when on cycle.

Im really lookin forward to this cycle and I will have plenty of time to train hard and eat cuz I'll be on break from school. (not that Im not doing that allready.) But point is I've been excited bout the cycle, and I've allready bought the stuff.

Im interested in hearing what you all would do in that situation.

My acne wasnt THAT bad until the home stretch of my last cycle and it was not responsive to doxycycline. In fact I rebounded from it and it got pretty ugly. Worse than I can remember it being in a long time. Since then I've had some luck w/ clindimycin, but it's still bad enough to be considered "cystic". It's a real drag because I could probably do modeling w/ this body and face if it werent for my bad skin. I feel like it's the only thing really holding me back from alot of cool things.

Improving my skin AND gaining a buttload of mass are BOTH extremely important to me.

What do you guys think?
 
I think you should tell the doctor to treat your problem at hand within his expertise and let you worry about what goes into your body.

did you admit to taking gear? or did you shake it off?

start with the stuff the doc gave you, ive taken both of them at different times and work moderately well. everyone is different though.

p.s if those dont work, get some b-5, megadose it. there is also a shampoo with some %2 medicated stuff in it for dandruff (forget the name, ill try to find it for you) that has been proven to work locally in blocking androgens. which obviously causes the acne.
 
Yeah he did get me to admit previous use. His question took me by surprise and it sort of just slipped out. But Im not on now, and I told him that too. I said Id been off for longer than I really have though.

I actually do megadose B5. (bout 1.3 to 1.4grams/day Ive been doing that for a two or three months with no improvement.

So you think i should just take the meds and do my cycle as planned, and not worry about him hassling me in 5wks?

Thats pretty much what Id rather do. At least this cycle I'll have some decent stuff to reduce the acne.

BTW thanks for chiming in Pioneer.
 
Pioneer said:
p.s if those dont work, get some b-5, megadose it. there is also a shampoo with some %2 medicated stuff in it for dandruff (forget the name, ill try to find it for you) that has been proven to work locally in blocking androgens. which obviously causes the acne.
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Nizoral®
 
UnicronSpawn said:
Yeah he did get me to admit previous use. His question took me by surprise and it sort of just slipped out. But Im not on now, and I told him that too. I said Id been off for longer than I really have though.

I actually do megadose B5. (bout 1.3 to 1.4grams/day Ive been doing that for a two or three months with no improvement.

So you think i should just take the meds and do my cycle as planned, and not worry about him hassling me in 5wks?

Thats pretty much what Id rather do. At least this cycle I'll have some decent stuff to reduce the acne.

BTW thanks for chiming in Pioneer.
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From what ive read people need anywhere from 5gs-10gs of B5 to get the acne clearing effects.
 
3clipseGT said:
From what ive read people need anywhere from 5gs-10gs of B5 to get the acne clearing effects.
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Whoa, I didnt know that. I thought it was like a gram or so.
I'll try upping my dose.
 
I'd suggest you stop using gear before the acne gets out of control and look to other ways to gain mass.

Read Nullifidan's sad cautionary thread at Invalid Link Removed
and seriously consider the risky path your on.
 
zaph123 said:
Accutane i heard is good at reducing breakout while on juice
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Yeah, and I have some accutane on hand, but Im afraid of the stuff.
I tried tretinoin gel topical wich is in the same family of drugs but nowhere near as strong, and it was absolute tourture. I got so dried up that I had painful rashes from clothes rubbing my skin, it was itchy and painful. It didnt even help my acne either. Probably cuz I always quit after a couple weeks of tourture. (the stuff I had may have been too concentrated for human use.)

If my dermatologist decides to resort to it than I'll do it, but only because with him I'll have access to highgrade prescription moisturizers that will combat the dryness w/out clogging the pores and compounding the acne problem.
 
Rogue Drone said:
I'd suggest you stop using gear before the acne gets out of control and look to other ways to gain mass.

Read Nullifidan's sad cautionary thread at Invalid Link Removed
and seriously consider the risky path your on.
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Im off right now. I dont always have this problem when Im on. Sometimes it gets better than it was in PCT from the previous cycle.

I've seen some of Nullifidans pics that he posted. I've talked w/ him about stuff he's tried too. Mine is nowhere near THAT bad. Still that is pretty scary s#*#. Needless to say I dont want it stick around even if it's not acne-conglobata.
 
Excellent post RD! I'd rep you if I could - but it says I must spread around rep points first.
 
UnicronSpawn said:
Yeah, and I have some accutane on hand, but Im afraid of the stuff.
I tried tretinoin gel topical wich is in the same family of drugs but nowhere near as strong, and it was absolute tourture. I got so dried up that I had painful rashes from clothes rubbing my skin, it was itchy and painful. It didnt even help my acne either. Probably cuz I always quit after a couple weeks of tourture. (the stuff I had may have been too concentrated for human use.)

If my dermatologist decides to resort to it than I'll do it, but only because with him I'll have access to highgrade prescription moisturizers that will combat the dryness w/out clogging the pores and compounding the acne problem.
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There's a reason why they typically put you on it for 6 months at a time, it's because it takes that long to see the positives without the constant negative sides.
 
Ziricote said:
There's a reason why they typically put you on it for 6 months at a time, it's because it takes that long to see the positives without the constant negative sides.
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Thats another thing I read that made me shy away from it. I didnt want to have to go 6mo's w/out any oral AAS. It would be between that and risking putting to much stress on my liver for to long.
Tretinoin/retin A was too much for me to stay on for that long. But I think I might have been using too much. I think I'll let my derm decide what acne meds I take for now. It's my first time working with a derm, and Im curious to see what he can come up with to help my situation. Dont think Im going to tell him about any gear use if I do end up deciding to go through with my cycle as planned.
 
IMO Nizoral works better than the cyclo the dr. gave you. I've tried both, and Nizoral works much better in my case.
 
tattoopierced1 said:
IMO Nizoral works better than the cyclo the dr. gave you. I've tried both, and Nizoral works much better in my case.
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So you just get nizoral @ any walgreens, or CVS drugs or whatever? And How exactly did you use it? Do you just use it to wash your skin instead of your scalp? And how frequent of washings w/ it did you find to be effective for you?
 
I've had much better skin since I started using fish oil, extra virgen olive oil, and vitamin A every day 2.5 years ago. This may not make your acne disappear but it should help with the quality of your skin. Stay away from horrible foods too, some foods put a beating on your skin.
 
Obviously, I think it's a bad idea to run cycles back to back when one is seeing the bad effects of an endocrine disruption and/or a bacterial infestation. Given time, and a clean lifestyle, these disruptions diminish. Given too little time and things get out of control.

Reading around, a little, on Cystic Acne, the issue with oral antibiotics appears to be the frequency of drug resistant strains. The alternatives appear, I'm confident in my evidence of alternative ways to support mainstream medicine, to be blue/red light therapy and immuno supporting and cleansing herbal protocols to suppress these bacterial populations.

Another alternative is suppression of Test to DHT, strongly implicated in acne breakouts, conversion through the 5a reductase enzyme with high doses of Green Tea extract.
 
Saw Palmetto would be effective at that RD. Steve at SNS told me that about 300 mgs of the sterols is the magic number for DHT supression.
 
zaph123 said:
Accutane i heard is good at reducing breakout while on juice
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I would be wary of Accutane, it is not something to consider lightly. Also I heard that it is tough on the liver, which could be especially troublesome for someone on an oral. I haven't tried Accucatane first hand, but I know a few pharmacists and they all tend to think it is overkill (too many negatives) for all but the worst cases of acne.
 
So you just get nizoral @ any walgreens, or CVS drugs or whatever? And How exactly did you use it? Do you just use it to wash your skin instead of your scalp? And how frequent of washings w/ it did you find to be effective for you?
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Rogue Drone said:
Obviously, I think it's a bad idea to run cycles back to back when one is seeing the bad effects of an endocrine disruption and/or a bacterial infestation. Given time, and a clean lifestyle, these disruptions diminish. Given too little time and things get out of control.

Reading around, a little, on Cystic Acne, the issue with oral antibiotics appears to be the frequency of drug resistant strains. The alternatives appear, I'm confident in my evidence of alternative ways to support mainstream medicine, to be blue/red light therapy and immuno supporting and cleansing herbal protocols to suppress these bacterial populations.

Another alternative is suppression of Test to DHT, strongly implicated in acne breakouts, conversion through the 5a reductase enzyme with high doses of Green Tea extract.
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I would have to agree. It would seem like may be acting uneccessarily short-sighted in considering your desire to do gear over possible long-term skin conditions. I know it is hard to wait, but there is no point in having a 'model body' if you cannot show it at the beach right?

And at least if your skin doesn't clear you will always have your humility :D
 
My uncles a dermatologist. He notices absolutely anything - one time took 6oxo for a few weeks and he noticed that **** on like day 3.

But point being your doctor needs to help you not be a **** about things. It's your choice to do what you want, and he gets money for helping you anyway. Jeez.
 
Thanks you guys.
Youve all been giving alot of good input from different angles. I still havent made up my mind exactly what Im going to do yet, so keep em coming. I DO know that I will try some nizoral, and up my dose of B-5. I will also NOT use accutane unless my derm puts me on it and is willing to work w/ me (IE: blood work, and ancillary products to combat the side effects.)
The main thing Im undecided on is weather or not doing this cycle as scheduled will be worth it. It would be somewhat of a gamble. I could be fine, as sometimes going on actually temporaily improves my acne, (probably from the prolonged cesstation of the post cycle ancillaries wich are often more of a skin killer than the gear itself.)

Or It might postpone improvement of the skin during a time in wich I finally had some proffesional help to deal with it.

Thirdly, my other concern is that I might be loosing the chance to use the dermatologist during one of the periods of time I could most utilize his expertise (while ON cycle).

When I first went off cycle i was still making pretty good progress, but now it's starting to slow down, and lean mass is getting harder to hold on to, while I seem to be simultaneously smoothing out. But I have a hard time telling for sure how much Im regressing, (if any) cuz my bodyweight is staying relatively stable @242 to 246-ish. And my strength is going slightly up in some lifts and not so much in others.
But I feel like I dont LOOK as impressive. Could be partly psychological.
So needless to say theres part of me that wants to jump back on. Especially since Im going back to visit friends and family, and even though I shouldnt care so much, I cant help but wanting to blow them away w/ my improvements, instead of looking smoother and flatter than I was last time I was around them.
So thats why Im torn.
 
Don't get the 1% Nizoral at Wal-mart - get the 2% version that's on drugstore.com (or wherever).
 
jmh80 said:
Don't get the 1% Nizoral at Wal-mart - get the 2% version that's on drugstore.com (or wherever).
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the 2% is prescription only. If you want to "simulate" the 2%, just use twice as much of the 1% as you normally would.
 
I only see the 1% on drugstore.com anyway. I'll just use it liberaly.
I still havent gotten any feedback on how to use it for the purpose of blocking subdermal androgen receptors. The profile only gives instructions for use as a dandruff shampoo.
Anyone figure out a dosing/frequency scheme that works well?
Or do I just wash my trouble spots of my skin with it every day and increase frequency or ammount if it's not doing enough?
Should I leave it on the skin for awhile before rinsing?
 
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