My basic 10 week epiandro - with updates for interested parties

[Dustin07]

you might benefit from starting a legit daily lifting log in the workout logs section so the guys can take a look at what you're doing and maybe add some suggestions here or there. without knowing your daily workouts its hard to really assess thing, IMO.

my knee jerk reaction with the numbers you posted would be to hold calories at maintenance and increase cardio, but I don't know if you're already doing cardio.

I am not familiar with the boditrax but I googled it, looks similar to renpho. I personally don't think the biolectrical impedance analysis are that valuable/important. Generally speaking the mirror + total weight on the scale are better for me. you can get very different results on these just based on your hydration level.

 

[gphagan1]

you might benefit from starting a legit daily lifting log in the workout logs section so the guys can take a look at what you're doing and maybe add some suggestions here or there. without knowing your daily workouts its hard to really assess thing, IMO.

my knee jerk reaction with the numbers you posted would be to hold calories at maintenance and increase cardio, but I don't know if you're already doing cardio.

I am not familiar with the boditrax but I googled it, looks similar to renpho. I personally don't think the biolectrical impedance analysis are that valuable/important. Generally speaking the mirror + total weight on the scale are better for me. you can get very different results on these just based on your hydration level.

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I agree….there are so many factors that can affect the Boditrax, like hydration. The mirror, body measurements, and scale are much better to track progress. Of course I’m old school too.

 

[ironviking]

The bioimpedance scales are decent for tracking changes over longer periods but not so much in short range. Dexa, hydro, or even calipers are better suited for minor tracking. First one is expensive and the other two are difficult to find. I agree with statements above about mirrors and weight scales being the best tracking during and use the bioimpedance at the end to get numbers behind your results.
I have a different viewpoint when it comes to cardio though. If your primary goal is to lose fat, and you are training with weights for hypertrophy, then drop the cardio. Use your diet to get the deficit in calories needed. That way your other systems aren't taxed and your body can recover from weight training. If you want the added cardio benefits then add it in, just keep aware if how you are recovering.
Also, I would drop the epi out of this equation, you don't need it when cutting from where you're at. if you were going for under 10% BF then it would be helpful but shooting for a 500cal deficit per day, looking for 1 to 1.5lbs per week, consistency and patience will get you some real solid and lasting results. Use the epi for a light bulk. ..just my opinion there.
And my metric equation in my head may be off but it sounds like you've lost over 2lbs in two weeks, forgetting the bioimpedance results cause the accuracy is in question, I'd say you're on track.

 

[BritCitFutsie]

Thanks guys.. yea I'll put less emphasis on the boditrax, I'll just check it again at the end of the 10 weeks.
To Dustin's point about cardio, I've considered it but I don't know when id fit it in the day (workouts first thing in the morning, alternating days with my wife, it's what works for both of us and kids, work etc) so I think I'll stick with weights/diet for now.
Light bulk Ironviking yea that's the thought I keep having, or see what happens at around maintenance calories.. I'll pick a lane eventually
Cheers

 

[Segansational]

Only now finding this thread, but will be following along!

as Steve mentioned, 900mg+ does tend to be a tipping point for me as well. You might start with 900mg only on training days. But at 900mg+ is where I will start to notice an increase in irritiability, hair shedding and anxiety etc.

Was going to say this. For your first run the measured approach to increasing doses was great. I would've maybe said also that 600 mg would be an OK starting point after a week of 300 mg just to check tolerance, as 600-900 is definitely what most guys are running oral epiandro at.

But this is my only bit of caution. Epiandro definitely does increase anxiety for me at least, so if you're prone to it or don't know, it's a word of caution.

If you’ve dropped 9 lbs without losing strength, then that’s a win in my book. Sounds like Epiandro is doing exactly what you needed. It is mild, but it definitely gives some positives, as far as feeling good, helps sustain muscle in a cut, within reason, and stacks good with TRT as long as people are reasonable with expectations.

Exactly. Sounds like his first run was perfect

So, overall now over 9 weeks I'm down 6.7kg (=14.7 lb) which I think is pretty decent, without any noticeable strength loss. Not much in the way of strength gains, but no loss... And I've been on around 1800 calories a day (1600-2000) so substantially fewer than usual.

Couldn't ask for more!

This is making me want to add this in next.

 

[Dustin07]

But this is my only bit of caution. Epiandro definitely does increase anxiety for me at least, so if you're prone to it or don't know, it's a word of caution.

I have noticed that this year I have been far more sensitive to much smaller doses than before, thats for sure. i rarely touch it anymore.

 

[gphagan1]

Only now finding this thread, but will be following along!



Was going to say this. For your first run the measured approach to increasing doses was great. I would've maybe said also that 600 mg would be an OK starting point after a week of 300 mg just to check tolerance, as 600-900 is definitely what most guys are running oral epiandro at.

But this is my only bit of caution. Epiandro definitely does increase anxiety for me at least, so if you're prone to it or don't know, it's a word of caution.



Exactly. Sounds like his first run was perfect



Couldn't ask for more!

This is making me want to add this in next.

I have noticed that this year I have been far more sensitive to much smaller doses than before, thats for sure. i rarely touch it anymore.

That’s why I’m really liking Ultra Three (3AD) from IF. It has all the positives of high doses of epiandro, mental focus and drive in the gym, overall feeling of wellbeing, but none of the anxiety, at a much lower dose.

 

[BritCitFutsie]

I have noticed that this year I have been far more sensitive to much smaller doses than before, thats for sure. i rarely touch it anymore.

It's interesting you guys all mention the anxiety, I have noticed it. But I've been prone to anxiety for years, on and off antidepressants and such... So I hadn't attributed it to the epiandro. Tbh feeling this tense is why I am reluctant to take the calories lower, to the 1600-1700 I did last time that saw me drop 14lb, as I've been thinking if I feel this tense at 2200 I don't want to make it worse. Further food for thought for me about keeping it at 2200 or increasing/decreasing

 

[Renew1]

People are Different, and Respond Differently, to different things (although there are usually "typical" responses to things).
I was very excited for the release of 3-AD, and tried the Beta version. For me, it was meh.

Anxiety has been a part of my life as long as I can remember. There were times years ago, when it was extreme.
For me, Epiandro (I usually use the TD version) doesn't increase my anxiety much (sometimes none).

But ... People are different.

 

[BritCitFutsie]

People are Different, and Respond Differently, to different things (although there are usually "typical" responses to things).
I was very excited for the release of 3-AD, and tried the Beta version. For me, it was meh.

Anxiety has been a part of my life as long as I can remember. There were times years ago, when it was extreme.
For me, Epiandro (I usually use the TD version) doesn't increase my anxiety much (sometimes none).

But ... People are different.

Yea and like you im prone to it, and so I can't be sure if currently is epiandro related or not. Still even if it's not it does make me think twice about dropping calories any further this time.