My basic 10 week epiandro - with updates for interested parties

BritCitFutsie

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Hi folks.
Shortly after Christmas (don't want cycle to overlap with any Christmas drinking) I will be starting an Epiandro only cycle for (depending) 10 weeks. For reference am 41 and currently lifting for increasing strength rather than muscle gains though a little fat loss would be welcome if it doesn't sacrifice strength.
Am trying to keep it simple and am currently planning on:

1 Week - 300mg Epiandro
5 weeks (weeks 2-6) - 600mg Epiandro
4 weeks (weeks 7-10) - 900mg or 600mg Epiandro (depends how it's going, risk/reward etc)

CEL cycle assist
+ SNS Inhibit-P Throughout.

Then
CEL M-Test, SNS Inhibit-E, Inhibit-P

[Note: The inhibit-P I take consistently recently as around half a year ago after a previous cycle had a private blood test showing some freakishly high prolactin... Some time on inhibit-P and the next (NHS) Blood test showed prolactin fine.. so either first test was BS or inhibit-P works amazingly for me, either way I'm keeping it around]

Anyway, it's probably not a hugely exciting cycle but posting it in case anyone has thoughts.
Thanks, and merry Christmas to you all and your families.
 
I would add CEL Clomaplex instead of Inhibit-E for your PCT at 4-8 weeks, really great stuff for optmizing your test/e2 ratio and gives you a huge boost in libido/erectile function instantaneously while making you feel great daily.
Epiandro at 900 (only at 900, not 600) actually seemed to hurt my sex drive/sex function, not massively but i noticed it). Clomaplex fixed that from day 2 in PCT
 
Joshlm69 said:
I would add CEL Clomaplex instead of Inhibit-E for your PCT at 4-8 weeks, really great stuff for optmizing your test/e2 ratio and gives you a huge boost in libido/erectile function instantaneously while making you feel great daily.
Epiandro at 900 (only at 900, not 600) actually seemed to hurt my sex drive/sex function, not massively but i noticed it). Clomaplex fixed that from day 2 in PCT
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Thanks, so if I understand that right you suggest 3-4 weeks of pct that is as above (M-Test, inhibit-P, Inhibit-E), but then after the 4 weeks swap Inhibit-E for clomaplex?.can I ask what the logic is in delaying it like that, I mean if it was so effective why wait 4 weeks why not start it at the beginning of pct? Cheers
 
No im saying to use Clomaplex instead of Inhibit-E, I think you’ll benefit more from its comprehensive label.

Weeks 1-8 M-Test, Clomaplex & Inhibit-P. Can run the Inhibit-E after the 8 weeks are up if you’re trying to tighten up a bit more
 
Joshlm69 said:
No im saying to use Clomaplex instead of Inhibit-E, I think you’ll benefit more from its comprehensive label.

Weeks 1-8 M-Test, Clomaplex & Inhibit-P. Can run the Inhibit-E after the 8 weeks are up if you’re trying to tighten up a bit more
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Ah I see what you mean. Ok yea I would still use the Inhibit-E then or later as I already have it! Cheers
 
BritCitFutsie said:
Ah I see what you mean. Ok yea I would still use the Inhibit-E then or later as I already have it! Cheers
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Remember epiandro can potentially cause a little suppression at 900, and if that’s the case, clomaplex is an OTC version of clomid without the negative sides, so it would help you recover quicker. I never had any suppression myself but it differs person to person.

@sns8778 can probably advise better than I.
 
CorpKiller said:
Also, do you know your lipids? I’d be curious to see how it affects your cholesterol levels, etc…
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Hi - no I don't actually... All previous tests have been hormone checks only (a few private and one NHS)

[I do monitor my blood pressure particularly on cycle but no not lipids ]
 
Interested to see your results! Am I assuming correctly that you are not on TRT or anything?

I have been considering an Epiandro only run (sub 900) and am not on TRT - but wondering if running low dose enclo throughout, or 1 or 4 andro as well, would be better.
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
Interested to see your results! Am I assuming correctly that you are not on TRT or anything?

I have been considering an Epiandro only run (sub 900) and am not on TRT - but wondering if running low dose enclo throughout, or 1 or 4 andro as well, would be better.
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You assume correctly! No TRT.
The 900mg weeks are not definite I will see how 600mg has been going, might just keep it at 600. I no longer currently have access to non-OTC products so I am not inclined to take unnecessary risks.. recognising that any PH cycle contains risk, there's levels I'm sure.
Cheers. Couple of guys have expressed interest in how it goes so I will be sure to add here some updates when it's in progress and afterwards
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
Interested to see your results! Am I assuming correctly that you are not on TRT or anything?

I have been considering an Epiandro only run (sub 900) and am not on TRT - but wondering if running low dose enclo throughout, or 1 or 4 andro as well, would be better.
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I'd stay away from enclo as a rule of thumb, nasty sides.

1-andro (or 1-test if you can get it) will give you much more gains, but youll encounter lethargy, loss of libido, hair loss if youre prone to it). You'll most likely also have to do a proper PCT of nolva after also.

4-andro TD will give you a little more boost, although you add 4-andro to combat the effects of shutdown, which isn't needed on Epiandro.
 
BritCitFutsie said:
You assume correctly! No TRT.
The 900mg weeks are not definite I will see how 600mg has been going, might just keep it at 600. I no longer currently have access to non-OTC products so I am not inclined to take unnecessary risks.. recognising that any PH cycle contains risk, there's levels I'm sure.
Cheers. Couple of guys have expressed interest in how it goes so I will be sure to add here some updates when it's in progress and afterwards
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I like the way you're approaching it as 900 mg.'s being a maybe.

I've found personally that 600 mg. gives me good results and that I feel better on 600 mg; 900 mg. I may get slightly better results, but I lose the feel good aspects of it.

One suggestion I would make is that if you do decide to do 900 mg., to do it in the middle and not the end - like do 600 mg. for a few weeks, 900 mg. for a few weeks, then back down to 600 mg for a week or two - that way when you come off, you're not just straight stopping from a high dose.
 
sns8778 said:
I like the way you're approaching it as 900 mg.'s being a maybe.

I've found personally that 600 mg. gives me good results and that I feel better on 600 mg; 900 mg. I may get slightly better results, but I lose the feel good aspects of it.

One suggestion I would make is that if you do decide to do 900 mg., to do it in the middle and not the end - like do 600 mg. for a few weeks, 900 mg. for a few weeks, then back down to 600 mg for a week or two - that way when you come off, you're not just straight stopping from a high dose.
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Thanks - yea I am humble enough to admit I am not an expert in these matters! so I read around on here for what people are doing and 600-900 seems like the sweet spot for most, I think I have read some of your own posts on the subject.
On balance I will probably keep it at 600 but I have enough to go to 900 if I wish... But that'll probably only be if I feel 600 has been no use. I note your suggestion about doing it in the middle not the end if I do! On balance, without non-otc pct products on hand and with proposed 10 weeks being moderately long* I am not minded to add further risks unless it seems really compelling.

Do you have any thoughts on the point raised earlier by Josh about Inhibit-E v Clomaplex for the pct? Cheers


*Moderately long compared to other cycles I have run myself, not necessarily compared to what other guys have done
 
BritCitFutsie said:
1 Week - 300mg Epiandro
5 weeks (weeks 2-6) - 600mg Epiandro
4 weeks (weeks 7-10) - 900mg or 600mg Epiandro (depends how it's going, risk/reward etc)
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sns8778 said:
I've found personally that 600 mg. gives me good results and that I feel better on 600 mg; 900 mg. I may get slightly better results, but I lose the feel good aspects of it.
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I agree with Steve, although @BritCitFutsie I didn't catch if you are running it orally or as a TD, I assume orally since most capsules are dosed at 300mg and TDs vary with like 75mg+ per pump.

I will sprinkle in 1 cap here and there off cycle to combat the blues when my mental state is hammered. 600mg is definitely a sweet spot where I believe I'm gaining the hypertrophic and recovery benefits without severe sides. My current and last cycle I tended to run more like 900-1150mg as a combo of oral and TD. usually the higher dose on hard training days. today for instance I hit 2 caps of stanoplex and 2 pumps xpg epiandro in the morning. when my dose gets very high I'm more susceptible to anxiety and a shorter fuse in bad traffic. zero sexual side effects though other than waking up pitching a massive tent every morning around 3am.

I've used most of those PCT's you mentioned but generally speaking the one I notice the best is XPG Alpha Gel, and it always seems to be plenty for me. When I finish up I'll be running M Test and Anabolic Effect or Anabolic XT.

I see fantastic lean mass gains on epiandro and increase in size, but my strength gains ironically tend to come with anabolic XT, Most of my PRs the past two years have actually been on the natty product, not on the PED.
 
Dustin07 said:
I agree with Steve, although @BritCitFutsie I didn't catch if you are running it orally or as a TD, I assume orally since most capsules are dosed at 300mg and TDs vary with like 75mg+ per pump.

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I see fantastic lean mass gains on epiandro and increase in size, but my strength gains ironically tend to come with anabolic XT, Most of my PRs the past two years have actually been on the natty product, not on the PED.
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Thanks Dustin. Yes it's Oral, muscle addiction Epiandro300. That's interesting what you observe about your gains. I've not used anabolic xt before, sounds like one to try.
 
BritCitFutsie said:
Thanks - yea I am humble enough to admit I am not an expert in these matters! so I read around on here for what people are doing and 600-900 seems like the sweet spot for most, I think I have read some of your own posts on the subject.
On balance I will probably keep it at 600 but I have enough to go to 900 if I wish... But that'll probably only be if I feel 600 has been no use. I note your suggestion about doing it in the middle not the end if I do! On balance, without non-otc pct products on hand and with proposed 10 weeks being moderately long* I am not minded to add further risks unless it seems really compelling.

Do you have any thoughts on the point raised earlier by Josh about Inhibit-E v Clomaplex for the pct? Cheers


*Moderately long compared to other cycles I have run myself, not necessarily compared to what other guys have done
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Inhibit-E and Cloma-Plex are both great products and either of them would be great for your PCT.

The biggest difference is that Inhibit-E is for estrogen control and promoting an optimal testosterone to estrogen ratio, whereas Cloma-Plex helps with estrogen control and also has natural testosterone boosting and natural anabolic ingredients all in one product.
 
sns8778 said:
Inhibit-E and Cloma-Plex are both great products and either of them would be great for your PCT.

The biggest difference is that Inhibit-E is for estrogen control and promoting an optimal testosterone to estrogen ratio, whereas Cloma-Plex helps with estrogen control and also has natural testosterone boosting and natural anabolic ingredients all in one product.
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Thanks 👍🏻
 
BritCitFutsie said:
Thanks Dustin. Yes it's Oral, muscle addiction Epiandro300. That's interesting what you observe about your gains. I've not used anabolic xt before, sounds like one to try.
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You're on a good product, IMO. But yeah for natty, anabolic effect and anabolic xt have both been to to me. If you decide to give them a run, buy a minimum 2 month supply out of the gate. You'll see the progress around week 3 usually.
 
sns8778 said:
I like the way you're approaching it as 900 mg.'s being a maybe.

I've found personally that 600 mg. gives me good results and that I feel better on 600 mg; 900 mg. I may get slightly better results, but I lose the feel good aspects of it.

One suggestion I would make is that if you do decide to do 900 mg., to do it in the middle and not the end - like do 600 mg. for a few weeks, 900 mg. for a few weeks, then back down to 600 mg for a week or two - that way when you come off, you're not just straight stopping from a high dose.
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def like this approach and will taper myslef also
 
Dustin07 said:
You're on a good product, IMO. But yeah for natty, anabolic effect and anabolic xt have both been to to me. If you decide to give them a run, buy a minimum 2 month supply out of the gate. You'll see the progress around week 3 usually.
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Definitely would agree with this. We carry both products at Strong Supplement Shop to. Can't go wrong with either of them.
 
Hi folks - trying here rather than a new thread.. but does anyone know if Epiandro can cause cramps? I begin this cycle as planned just after Christmas, currently on 600mg, but I notice so many niggles and aches and pains and cramps more than normal...
For example my hamstring has felt weird since squats over a week ago... So today after deadlifts to avoid overtaxing my hamstrings I swapped SLDLs for some pull-ups... And was then getting intense forearm muscle cramps!
Just wondering if this is a thing or if I'm just falling apart. Cheers
 
Update at start of week 3.
So I began supplementing with extra magnesium and also taurine and I think at least 1 of them is helping as I haven't noticed as much cramping recently so that is good.

It is the start of week 3 of this cycle and I'm on 600mg. I am keeping calories relatively low for me - below 2100 per day - in the hope of shifting some chub while not losing any strength. This is a pretty new thing for me I've never really counted calories or tried to cut at all as I was naturally always very skinny and small framed - I was 6 foot and below 140lb at age 20! But now at 41 it's a different story and I could do with shedding a few lb I think.

My impression of the Epiandro at 600mg so far is positive and mild - perhaps as expected - I have noticed 0 negative side effects aside from slightly off smelling wee (normal colour just slightly different smell sometimes), blood pressure absolutely stable so far... Strength is not increasing much but it is not declining due to lower calories either. Weight isn't increasing but isn't falling much either yet though at the end of week 2 I appreciate this is still early days.

I am wondering about seeing this week 3 through at 600mg and then perhaps trying 900mg from week 4 and if I tolerate it, sticking with that for maybe 5 weeks and then going to the final 2 weeks back at 600mg to taper down. Any thoughts on that please let me know.
 
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