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So far 1 week into pct weight is at 220lbs, I would have thought I would have lost ~3 in the first week but nothing so far. Strength I have no clue on, I know my endurance is noticeably down. I have been keeping the weight light with reps at 10-12 with a slow tempo. This has been much more difficult than I though it was going to be, but seems to be working very well to maintain muscle. As far as sets its around 6 for large muscle groups and 2-4 for smaller. PCt or not I think I needed to take a break from the heavy weights, I have been working out heavy for 16 weeks with no breaks. So this has been good for me.
Diet for this week has been excellent, ~3000 cals 40p/40c/20f. Most of my carbs come from long grain brown rice. Primary protein sources have been chicken, milk, milk protein isolate, whey isolate, eggs, and egg white protein. Fat sources have been mainly peanut butter and fish oil. Thats pretty much it for the diet.
For the pct, I feel pretty good. Aside from the decrease in endurance I haven't noticed much. This being my first real pct I was expecting it to suck a lot more. Haven't noticed any emotional sides, libido is unchanged (elevated slightly with the mdht but back to normal when I went off it). With all the reading about people have trouble getting hard it had me a little worried, but I have had no problems (knock on wood :lol: ). Testicles are at ~80% normal up from ~40%, I seem to be bouncing back pretty well. I just started taking the trib and avena sativa, just got the pill capper this week. I tried to just put these powders in some water and drink it, no way that was going to happen more than once. They are extremely bitter, by far the worst tasting supp, I chased it with CEE to get the taste out of my mouth. The fenugreek makes my urine smell like maple syrup some times, not sure if it is really helping but for $4 a bottle I would still use it. I have really been liking the lean extreme, if you can swing the cash I think its a good thing to have.
Now I am just going to post some of my thoughts on the androgens I used and what I would have done differently.
1-test: In my opinion this was the best thing in the stack I feel that almost all of my size gains are attributed to it. Using the 4ad I was able to knock out most of the sides, so I never got a true taste of the lethargy it can cause. The last two weeks when I switched from the mdht to the m4oht I became mildly lethargic. As far as dosage transdermally I think that anywhere from 300-350mg would be the dosage I would use again.
4ad: At 300mg I think it was just enough to knock out most of the 1-test sides. I noticed no real boost in libido and no bloating. I was only able to notice the 1-test lethargy when I dropped the mdht. As far as dosage transdermally I would have gone to 400mg in this cycle, 500 if I was only going to go with the 1T and 4AD.
MDHT: For me this compound was overrated and underrated. As far as its being an aggression producing pre workout stimulant if fails. I get a similar boost from ~200mg of caffeine. It did however give me more of a lasting energy throughout the day, no huge surge but kept me alert and energetic. Also it improved my endurance in the gym, I needed less rest between sets and wasn't breathing as hard throughout my workouts. As far as strength gains I really can't tell as my strength progressed fairly linearly though the cycle. Dosage, 100mg a day divided into two doses worked well for me and I would keep it at that.
M4oht: I don't know if you just have to run this compound longer to see an effect or if it just wasn't strong enough to notice along side the others. The only thing that I noticed in switching from the mdht to the m4oht is some slight lethargy. I couldn't find much info on it, maybe this is why. Running the cycle again I would not have incorporated this.
T3: If I were going for a pure mass cycle I would probably leave this out, or run a low dose of it. In the three weeks that I ran it my weight stayed the same but I gained strength and got a little leaner. Doing it again I would have gone to up to 100mcg instead of 75mcg. In a cutting cycle I would also have just gone to 100mcg and just run it longer 4-5 weeks. The research I have done most people suggest that you run it for three weeks, which is good advice for someone on their first T3 cycle. However looking at studies people seem to rebound ok using this stuff for months straight. Coming off the T3 for me I noticed no real signs of thyroid shutdown, although I didn't get a blood test.
Man that was log, my longest post. Next update will be next Sunday. I will still respond to questions though.
So far 1 week into pct weight is at 220lbs, I would have thought I would have lost ~3 in the first week but nothing so far. Strength I have no clue on, I know my endurance is noticeably down. I have been keeping the weight light with reps at 10-12 with a slow tempo. This has been much more difficult than I though it was going to be, but seems to be working very well to maintain muscle. As far as sets its around 6 for large muscle groups and 2-4 for smaller. PCt or not I think I needed to take a break from the heavy weights, I have been working out heavy for 16 weeks with no breaks. So this has been good for me.
Diet for this week has been excellent, ~3000 cals 40p/40c/20f. Most of my carbs come from long grain brown rice. Primary protein sources have been chicken, milk, milk protein isolate, whey isolate, eggs, and egg white protein. Fat sources have been mainly peanut butter and fish oil. Thats pretty much it for the diet.
For the pct, I feel pretty good. Aside from the decrease in endurance I haven't noticed much. This being my first real pct I was expecting it to suck a lot more. Haven't noticed any emotional sides, libido is unchanged (elevated slightly with the mdht but back to normal when I went off it). With all the reading about people have trouble getting hard it had me a little worried, but I have had no problems (knock on wood :lol: ). Testicles are at ~80% normal up from ~40%, I seem to be bouncing back pretty well. I just started taking the trib and avena sativa, just got the pill capper this week. I tried to just put these powders in some water and drink it, no way that was going to happen more than once. They are extremely bitter, by far the worst tasting supp, I chased it with CEE to get the taste out of my mouth. The fenugreek makes my urine smell like maple syrup some times, not sure if it is really helping but for $4 a bottle I would still use it. I have really been liking the lean extreme, if you can swing the cash I think its a good thing to have.
Now I am just going to post some of my thoughts on the androgens I used and what I would have done differently.
1-test: In my opinion this was the best thing in the stack I feel that almost all of my size gains are attributed to it. Using the 4ad I was able to knock out most of the sides, so I never got a true taste of the lethargy it can cause. The last two weeks when I switched from the mdht to the m4oht I became mildly lethargic. As far as dosage transdermally I think that anywhere from 300-350mg would be the dosage I would use again.
4ad: At 300mg I think it was just enough to knock out most of the 1-test sides. I noticed no real boost in libido and no bloating. I was only able to notice the 1-test lethargy when I dropped the mdht. As far as dosage transdermally I would have gone to 400mg in this cycle, 500 if I was only going to go with the 1T and 4AD.
MDHT: For me this compound was overrated and underrated. As far as its being an aggression producing pre workout stimulant if fails. I get a similar boost from ~200mg of caffeine. It did however give me more of a lasting energy throughout the day, no huge surge but kept me alert and energetic. Also it improved my endurance in the gym, I needed less rest between sets and wasn't breathing as hard throughout my workouts. As far as strength gains I really can't tell as my strength progressed fairly linearly though the cycle. Dosage, 100mg a day divided into two doses worked well for me and I would keep it at that.
M4oht: I don't know if you just have to run this compound longer to see an effect or if it just wasn't strong enough to notice along side the others. The only thing that I noticed in switching from the mdht to the m4oht is some slight lethargy. I couldn't find much info on it, maybe this is why. Running the cycle again I would not have incorporated this.
T3: If I were going for a pure mass cycle I would probably leave this out, or run a low dose of it. In the three weeks that I ran it my weight stayed the same but I gained strength and got a little leaner. Doing it again I would have gone to up to 100mcg instead of 75mcg. In a cutting cycle I would also have just gone to 100mcg and just run it longer 4-5 weeks. The research I have done most people suggest that you run it for three weeks, which is good advice for someone on their first T3 cycle. However looking at studies people seem to rebound ok using this stuff for months straight. Coming off the T3 for me I noticed no real signs of thyroid shutdown, although I didn't get a blood test.
Man that was log, my longest post. Next update will be next Sunday. I will still respond to questions though.
