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Msten log

Nathan1722

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6 weeks
Msten 20/20/20/20/20/20
Epi-andro 1000/1000/1000/1000/1000/1000

Support supps
Ar1micare pro
500 mg tudca
Fish oil
Multi

Pct
Nolva
Clomid
Sup3r pct
(Maybe I'll grab alphamax)

I do have trest caps, and I might use them but not sure if it would add much benefit.

Goal is to bulk gain about 15 pounds, so I'll be around 190.
 
Good luck man. Lethargy from Msten usually kicks in for me around week 3. After that it's a struggle to continue.

What does your PCT look like?
 
Nathan1722 said:
Clomid 50/50/25/25 probably some asin 6.5mg eod 2 weeks after pct
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Looks good. On your initial post I thought you may be running both nolva and clomid and was going to say it's not necessary to run both but clomid is a good choice.
 
Nathan1722 said:
I have enough tudca for 2 weeks after I'm done is this ok enough post cycle?
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Yup, honestly tho if it's just Msten your liver would be fine without it in general. It's not like you're running 3 things and running max dosages etc. or some of the crazy harsh stuff from the past
 
Anyone know if anything needs to be stacked with msten I.e a test base for lethargy, or proper ancillaries .i.e bigger doses of Tudca than would normally be found with armicare pro? Trying to get my stuff for a cycle. Already have the msten. Thanks
 
I recommend a solid cycle support with additional tudca for msten. I had aches under my ribs when i was taking msten
 
Vikingbro said:
Can you tell me what you would use please?
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Cycle Assist by CEL is a great on cycle product.

Or if you just want to protect your liver, Liver Assist XT by SNS.
 
warbird01 said:
Cycle Assist by CEL is a great on cycle product.

Or if you just want to protect your liver, Liver Assist XT by SNS.
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I would like something to protect as much of my body as possible so will go for armicare pro. I prefer it over CEL as it has the added TUDCA
 
Vikingbro said:
I would like something to protect as much of my body as possible so will go for armicare pro. I prefer it over CEL as it has the added TUDCA
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To each his own. I am not a fan of the AI in Ar1micare. Besides that, it's a good product!
 
Second day done obviously nothing to note atm. Every time I ingest the epiandro and msten I get this warm feeling inside it feels really nice and calming almost I've used epi before and it never happened weird
 
Nathan1722 said:
Second day done obviously nothing to note atm. Every time I ingest the epiandro and msten I get this warm feeling inside it feels really nice and calming almost I've used epi before and it never happened weird
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What's your starting stats? Goodluck with the cycle man, and keep us updated haha
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I was running 8 caps of cel cycle assist pretty much the whole cycle; just add 500-1000mg of tudca, don't drink alcohol, don't stack with another methyl and you'll be fine
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O I am not sure I want to touch the stuff. Just see a lot of people saying liver care stuff does nothing. I do want to do an extreme recomp and have been researching the best solution. 1andro, LGD, mstene DMZ, etc... so many options haha
 
S.Dedication said:
O I am not sure I want to touch the stuff. Just see a lot of people saying liver care stuff does nothing. I do want to do an extreme recomp and have been researching the best solution. 1andro, LGD, mstene DMZ, etc... so many options haha
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Epistane is less harsh on the the organs, but the estrogen rebound is something to be prepared for
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Epistane is less harsh on the the organs, but the estrogen rebound is something to be prepared for
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Haha I don't need that, LGD is ok and no sides I have ever seen, well other then shutdown. But it may be worth an mstene run if the results are way better.

Wait, I think some lethargy was experienced, but yk11 fixed that.
 
S.Dedication said:
O I am not sure I want to touch the stuff. Just see a lot of people saying liver care stuff does nothing. I do want to do an extreme recomp and have been researching the best solution. 1andro, LGD, mstene DMZ, etc... so many options haha
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Tudca works man. Tons of studies to back it. Even lgd can wreck lipids man. Take tudca and you'll be fine.
 
Todat was day 10 had a pump that lasted about an hour after gym and that never happens I feel like I could also do a couple more reps
 
Increase protein intake 10 % above maintenance and carb intake 20 % above maintenance. Train every muscle twice per week if not already.
 
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