Most worthless recent supplement ?: Part Deux

Most worthless recent supplement ?

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Alli does not target fat you already have. It keeps you from being able to digest fat that you eat while you are taking it. This is how you lose weight on it if your overweight. Most overweight people eat too much fat so they just crap it out when on alli. Thats why they tell you to eat less fat when on it. Because if you continue to take in a lot of fat, your poops are gonna look like the grease from the top of a pepperoni pizza and your gonna be a fart machine. This would probably cause people to stop eating so much fat, which is what they should have done in the first place anyway. So I disagree with those who say alli does not work, it very effectively does exactly what it is designed to do, stop fat absorption. Its not going to do a damn thing for someone that does not have a high fat diet in the first place or someone that gets their calories from a high carb diet.
 
We sell that Alli junk where I work... it says right in their directions to wear either set aside a week off from work to "adjust" to the product (with a nearby bathroom) or to wear a diaper to work. NO THANKS.

Although, if you ever want to pull a party prank, just get someone to pop some Alli ('Here, this will help with mental clarity, I take 4 a day lolz') and then take them to a Pizza Buffet. :dump:
 
Australian made said:
Basically this thread is worthless. Why? Because less then 10% of people on this board would have ever used any of those products.
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I've used 2 of the products on the list, therefore can't really pass judgement on which is most worthless. Then again, here I go thinking realisticly again :blink:
 
scoooter said:
I'd tend to agree with you only because its way underdosed.
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E-Bol is great, however, it suffers from poor absorption and contains a host of unnecessary and perhaps detrimental ingredients(excessive Rhodiola Rosea, lack of Bioperine, etc).

Their Ecdysterone material however is THE BEST IN THE WORLD, which is why we included their patented "EcdyPure" material in our Omnibolic product.

E-Bol is a good Ecdysterone product, but Omnibolic is SUPERIOR to E-Bol for many reasons:

1.) Omnibolic is a PURE Ecdysterone/6-Keto Diosgenin product, whereas E-Bol is not. E-Bol contains a bunch of other herbal STUFF, so if you want to increase your Ecdysterone dosage, you are forced to increase your dosage for this other STUFF as well. Furthermore, the other herbal ingredients in E-Bol have NOT been scientifically proven to work, whereas our formula is PROVEN.

2.) Omnibolic has INCREASED BIOAVAILABILITY due to the addition of Bioperine. This is ABSOLUTELY necessary as Ecdysterone suffers from poor Bioavailability. E-Bol is barely even absorbed, especially because of all that extra JUNK.

3.) AndroGenerator contains Citrulline Malate, which is HIGHLY SYNERGISTIC with Ecdysterone and 6-Keto Diosgenin. There is no other Ecdysterone product that utilizes this powerful Nitrogen technology, which drastically increases the effectiveness of Ecdysterone.

4.) The reason O-Bol is 5 caps per dosage is because we have more total milgram actives, particluarly because of the very high dosage of Citrulline(2,000mgs)
 
Dagron said:
We sell that Alli junk where I work... it says right in their directions to wear either set aside a week off from work to "adjust" to the product (with a nearby bathroom) or to wear a diaper to work. NO THANKS.

Although, if you ever want to pull a party prank, just get someone to pop some Alli ('Here, this will help with mental clarity, I take 4 a day lolz') and then take them to a Pizza Buffet. :dump:
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:djparty::cheers:
 
NolaJR said:
Alli does not target fat you already have. It keeps you from being able to digest fat that you eat while you are taking it. This is how you lose weight on it if your overweight. Most overweight people eat too much fat so they just crap it out when on alli. Thats why they tell you to eat less fat when on it. Because if you continue to take in a lot of fat, your poops are gonna look like the grease from the top of a pepperoni pizza and your gonna be a fart machine. This would probably cause people to stop eating so much fat, which is what they should have done in the first place anyway. So I disagree with those who say alli does not work, it very effectively does exactly what it is designed to do, stop fat absorption. Its not going to do a damn thing for someone that does not have a high fat diet in the first place or someone that gets their calories from a high carb diet.
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People think it is all fat or all calories. No one likes to address carbs.
 
Viperspit said:
I've used 2 of the products on the list, therefore can't really pass judgement on which is most worthless. Then again, here I go thinking realisticly again :blink:
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If you've used DHEA, you've covered more bases than you might originally have thought:twisted:
 
My vote went to SARM X, Hands down!
The whole list is pretty much sh!t, but the claims of this product being a selective androgen receptor modulator is just a FCUKING JOKE!! The science on that does exist but is years ahead in the making, and MHP clearly just picked up on this claim and pushed it out to the dumb and uneducated public. For that reason alone I will NEVER purchase any of their so-called supplements.
NOTE: M_DROL is actually a great product and a lot of people have had good results with it IMO.

Another good thread reaper, repped!!
 
Schism said:
My vote went to SARM X, Hands down!
The whole list is pretty much sh!t, but the claims of this product being a selective androgen receptor modulator is just a FCUKING JOKE!! The science on that does exist but is years ahead in the making, and MHP clearly just picked up on this claim and pushed it out to the dumb and uneducated public. For that reason alone I will NEVER purchase any of their so-called supplements.
NOTE: M_DROL is actually a great product and a lot of people have had good results with it IMO.

Another good thread reaper, repped!!
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If I could take off one product, it would be M-Drol's beta isomer version. That's the only one I think I should have not put up.

Something tells me it's gonna remind a virgin up there.
 
ReaperX said:
If I could take off one product, it would be M-Drol's beta isomer version. That's the only one I think I should have not put up.

Something tells me it's gonna remind a virgin up there.
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Haha well it reminded me. I actually have some of the stuff and will run it soon enough. Lot's of guys are puttin on 10-15+lbs with this sh!t a on pulse!!
For me it was a toss-up between SARM-X and Superdrol NG. I think maybe the NG stands for NO GOOD!!:blink:
 
Schism said:
My vote went to SARM X, Hands down!
The whole list is pretty much sh!t, but the claims of this product being a selective androgen receptor modulator is just a FCUKING JOKE!! The science on that does exist but is years ahead in the making, and MHP clearly just picked up on this claim and pushed it out to the dumb and uneducated public. For that reason alone I will NEVER purchase any of their so-called supplements.
NOTE: M_DROL is actually a great product and a lot of people have had good results with it IMO.

Another good thread reaper, repped!!
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Does that mean RPM should be up there since it claims to be a P-SARM?
 
Schism said:
I am not familiar with this product or it's claims but people seem to like. Isn't it some kind of PWO energizer of some sort?
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Well it says SARM on the front of the bottle ha! Regardless it is a realy good product. Doubt you will find too many people who didn't like it.
 
Schism said:
Haha well it reminded me. I actually have some of the stuff and will run it soon enough. Lot's of guys are puttin on 10-15+lbs with this sh!t a on pulse!!
For me it was a toss-up between SARM-X and Superdrol NG. I think maybe the NG stands for NO GOOD!!:blink:
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have you tried SDNG?
 
Schism said:
No have you?
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yes, check my current log below. (drive to recomp)

I wasnt expecting much and was really suprised with the efefcts I got. Check my log and the workouts I had with it.... also the post I made earlier in this very thread.... INSANE. It may just be tweaked DHEA but the formula they have it in is VERY synergistic and quite good, if for nothing more then a preworkout booster and appitite stimulant.

Seems to me it does EXACTLY what its marketed to do wich is be a beginner PH.
 
Australian made said:
Well it says SARM on the front of the bottle ha! Regardless it is a realy good product. Doubt you will find too many people who didn't like it.
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These are completely different products marketed for different purposes!
I have heard nothing bad about the p-sarm.
 
With all this herbal SARM going on, someone better contact Eli Lilly with this INSANE discovery. LOL !!!!! :lol:
 
SDNG has a relatively high DHEA content per serving. I think it is around 500mg or so. I'm not very adiment about taking such large amount of DHEA, primarly due to its estrogenic nature.


(I am assuming) the whole idea behind SDNG is to load up on DHEA which metabolizes into testosterone and estrogen, use the ATD to knock out the estrogen, thus only having the testosterone left.

I'm not 100% sure if the ATD actually addresses the estrogenic pathway fully. There was something that I read awhile back that indicated that it might not fully, only partially.



Yep, good 'ol Epiandro (DHEA).
 
ReaperX said:
SDNG has a relatively high DHEA content per serving. I think it is around 500mg or so. I'm not very adiment about taking such large amount of DHEA, primarly due to its estrogenic nature.


(I am assuming) the whole idea behind SDNG is to load up on DHEA which metabolizes into testosterone and estrogen, use the ATD to knock out the estrogen, thus only having the testosterone left.

I'm not 100% sure if the ATD actually addresses the estrogenic pathway fully. There was something that I read awhile back that indicated that it might not fully, only partially.



Yep, good 'ol Epiandro (DHEA).
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ATD is probably one of the strongest suicide inhibitors out there and many are thinking that the recommended 75mg servings are WAY too much cause it will kill off practically all your est leaving you with no libido and other low est sides.

they only need enough AI here to block whats going to be converted from the DHEA from turning into est and not the entire bodies supply of test, although Im certain the amount contained would still effect the bodies test from being converted somewhat as well.

no Aromatase=no estrogen from DHEA.

I sound like im sitting here trying to push this here guys but if you actually read up on the supplement and how its set up its fairly sound and you guys should be able to come to these conclusions yourselves. This leaves only 5-AD and Test from the DHEA wich isnt that bad.
 
poopypants said:
they only need enough AI here to block whats going to be converted from the DHEA from turning into est and not the entire bodies supply of test, although Im certain the amount contained would still effect the bodies test from being converted somewhat as well.

no Aromatase=no estrogen from DHEA.
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I don't think that's true, DHEA can directly become estrogen, it doesn't need to be aromatized IIRC.
 
Note: These are not my words, just something I found on the net:






The ATD is probably thrown in there to account for possible estrogen conversion from testosterone (DHEA->ANDRO->TEST). Unfortunately, they didn't account for 5-andro which can directly attach to estrogen receptors (=gyno). They also didn't account for oestrone which is directly synthezised from androstenedione (DHEA->a/diene->oestrone->estradiol). Neither of those pathways will be affected by ATD.

Ultimately, the anti-androgenism inherant to ATD coupled with 5-AD's estrogen-receptor affinity, this product should be pretty remarkable in terms of its feminization capacity.
 
ReaperX said:
Note: These are not my words, just something I found on the net:






The ATD is probably thrown in there to account for possible estrogen conversion from testosterone (DHEA->ANDRO->TEST). Unfortunately, they didn't account for 5-andro which can directly attach to estrogen receptors (=gyno). They also didn't account for oestrone which is directly synthezised from androstenedione (DHEA->a/diene->oestrone->estradiol). Neither of those pathways will be affected by ATD.

Ultimately, the anti-androgenism inherant to ATD coupled with 5-AD's estrogen-receptor affinity, this product should be pretty remarkable in terms of its feminization capacity.
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The NG does stand for No Good........love it when I'm right on accident!
Poopy you know I got nothing but love for you brother and if your having good results with it than I believe you. I just wouldn't take anything with that much dhea in it for the reasons stated above.
 
I agree that is a lil disconcerting... but if you have lower or even normal est levels anywho I still dont see why this is such a big deal if some does go into est. DHEA is made naturally in the body so these are all natural reactions.... all your doing is increasing this overall levels of test/est and the ATD DOES block some of the est from being produced if its only from the test and aromitase interacting. Thus your left with a still higher test to est ratio then one would have to begin with.

does that make sense?

not to mention the HTPA support supps they add in there wich should cause an increase in natural test production as well.


just cause there is DHEA its not essentially no good, its what you couple it with that matters to make it good. So I still have to say dont knock it till ya try it and if you decide not to cause you dont like the idea of taking straight DHEA then your only short changing yourself as this is not straight DHEA.
 
by the way, alli is great stuff! my mom uses it and she loves it! and for the argument that people dont eat right while there on it, your wrong! it forces the person to eat low fat and stresses the need that you must eat health slow digesting carbs! It gives you a book on **** you can eat and **** you cant. so you might want to take it off reaper.
 
it makes you do that cause if you dont you **** all the fats out in an orange liquid :blink:

My aunt uses the stuff too and she said its pretty nasty but along with her nutri system shes seeing some results.... now if shed just listen to me and actually live a more active lifestyle then shed def drop pounds.
 
ReaperX said:
Way too expensive for a capsule laxative. That's about all I got out of it. I wasn't constipated either so the timing was not good per se.
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Well, if you say it's worthless, I'll take your word for it. Lord knows I inform Jacob's research based on the opinion of out-of-shape former frat-boys. Which is ridiculously ironic given the fact you were harassing people for having a herd-mentality, by the way. A frat-boy criticizing somebody else for having a herd-mentality is like someone with severe Autism calling a Downs Syndrome sufferer retarded, just doesn't quite have the same resonance (more or less friendly joking).

Anyway, due to dietary concerns, body chemistry, improper dosing, and, especially, AP's specific biotic effect on bowel movements, it can be hit or miss. Certain people are simply pre-disposed to react poorly to AP unfortunately, and, in that case, I more then understand their dissatisfaction. I would say, however, that a product is worthless when it works for nobody; AP does not fall into this category. AP is obviously worthless to you, which I totally understand and empathize with, but not to others.

On a serious note, how many of these have you actually tried?
 
Mulletsoldier said:
On a serious note, how many of these have you actually tried?
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thats what I was wondering bout most everyone who voted/commented in this poll.... its like the list was compiled from a GNC/VS store shelf.... Those products may be flashy and have over the top advertiseing campaigns but these products are in there casue most of them work.... while some are just attempts from preivously succesful companies to put out another killer supp and it bombs.
 
Yeah, no distinction was made between overpriced and worthless. Many of those products may be perceived to be overpriced, but that does not mean they are worth nothing, simply that the consumer doesn't agree the value ascribed to it is accurate.

To me, a supplement is worthless if I take it and nothing happens; at that point, it serves no purpose, that really means it's worthless.

But, I would say AP is pretty worthless; anything which contains ingredients being pursued as alternative treatments for NIDDM must be worthless. ;)
 
I didn't get a good night's sleep last night, plus I think I might be coming down with the flu. I feel like shlt this morning. I dont feel like arguing with you (Mullet) or anyone else.
 
NolaJR said:
Alli does not target fat you already have. It keeps you from being able to digest fat that you eat while you are taking it. This is how you lose weight on it if your overweight. Most overweight people eat too much fat so they just crap it out when on alli. Thats why they tell you to eat less fat when on it. Because if you continue to take in a lot of fat, your poops are gonna look like the grease from the top of a pepperoni pizza and your gonna be a fart machine. This would probably cause people to stop eating so much fat, which is what they should have done in the first place anyway. So I disagree with those who say alli does not work, it very effectively does exactly what it is designed to do, stop fat absorption. Its not going to do a damn thing for someone that does not have a high fat diet in the first place or someone that gets their calories from a high carb diet.
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Fat blockers are an awfull approach to weight loss. How much fat is going to be burned if the body isn't getting any? What's gonna happen to test levels and other hormones? Someone said it worked well for their mom well go post in the female section then. :ntome:
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Yeah, no distinction was made between overpriced and worthless. Many of those products may be perceived to be overpriced, but that does not mean they are worth nothing, simply that the consumer doesn't agree the value ascribed to it is accurate.

To me, a supplement is worthless if I take it and nothing happens; at that point, it serves no purpose, that really means it's worthless.

But, I would say AP is pretty worthless; anything which contains ingredients being pursued as alternative treatments for NIDDM must be worthless. ;)
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I agree that that the title of this thread is not the most accurate and I have not tried all the products on this list. However, IMO with the exception of M-drol and AP from what I have researched conclusions can be drawn on the rest of the products. The products on the list may not be worthless but the poll does serve as a guide on what to stay away from. Anyone with half a brain and has spent anytime on this board will know that M-drol and Ap are actually good products for most. Although, the rest certainly have better and more cost-efficient options in their respective departments. Good post reaper!
 
snookl187 said:
Fat blockers are an awfull approach to weight loss. How much fat is going to be burned if the body isn't getting any? What's gonna happen to test levels and other hormones? Someone said it worked well for their mom well go post in the female section then. :ntome:
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I completely agree, but isn't it easier to just take a pill, eat whatever you want and **** an oil slick just so you can be undisciplined in your eating habits? Too each his own I guess. I just don't get it.
 
NolaJR said:
I completely agree, but isn't it easier to just take a pill, eat whatever you want and **** an oil slick just so you can be undisciplined in your eating habits? Too each his own I guess. I just don't get it.
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It is all about the carbs. Not just for bodybuilders, but the general public as well.

A higher protein diet, lower carbs with carbs being low glycemic, and moderate healthy fat intake is the answer. It will work for anyone. Even an endomorph like myself.


People in general have become too lazy to actually lose the fat themselves. Furthermore, they almost 'blame' people for being fat. I recall an incident where I was watching tv and this woman was literally preaching on a talk show about why the reason she was fat was because fast food 'tastes so good' it is 'impossible', yes you read that right, 'impossible to NOT eat it.' She was dead serious too.
 
ReaperX said:
It is all about the carbs. Not just for bodybuilders, but the general public as well.

A higher protein diet, lower carbs with carbs being low glycemic, and moderate healthy fat intake is the answer. It will work for anyone. Even an endomorph like myself.


People in general have become too lazy to actually lose the fat themselves. Furthermore, they almost 'blame' people for being fat. I recall an incident where I was watching tv and this woman was literally preaching on a talk show about why the reason she was fat was because fast food 'tastes so good' it is 'impossible', yes you read that right, 'impossible to NOT eat it.' She was dead serious too.
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I Hate Fat-asses like that. That's nothing
more than lack of any kind of backbone. People always want to pass the fcuking buck on down the line!
Did I wine and cry about being a skinny ass ecto my whole life and then say the reason for it was because I had a high metabolism and that weights were just to heavy for my frail skinny-ass body to lift. Fcuk No!!! I took the necessary steps to change what I didn't like and did it.
In high-school I weighed like 140 nothing maybe, at like 10% bf. Now at 27 I weigh 186 with 6-7%bf and that's really
lite for me these days!! All natural!!!!!!!
Fcukin Weak, people like that should be thrown into the wilderness and forced to survive if they can! Maybe that would give them some fcuking will power!! That just makes me sick, disgusting fat fcuksh!ts!!!!!!!!


Sorry for the rant, but god d@mn!!!
 
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