500mg deca ew and 500mg test e ew and 25mg dbol
so no deca for first cycle? how much am i looking to gain with and without deca?
its mainly dependent on ur diet and ur goal. theres no SET weight/size that u will gain with either cycle. as long as diet is on point, considering this will be ur first injectable cycle.....test/dbol will yield about 20-25lbs
my suggestion is to not run deca in this cycle
d-bol, deca and test will add strebgth and mass like nothing else. run it something like this
1-5 d-bol 50mgs ed
1-10 test 500mgs ew
1-12 deca 500mgs ew
start pct week 14-18 20mgs nolva/.5mgs armidex
d-bol, deca and test will add strebgth and mass like nothing else. run it something like this
1-5 d-bol 50mgs ed
1-10 test 500mgs ew
1-12 deca 500mgs ew
start pct week 14-18 20mgs nolva/.5mgs armidex
come on bro, isnt it obvious i wrote it backwards? i guess it wasnt for you but i asure you i know the newbie crap like that. why would i have the deca being 2 weeks longer then the test? didnt it ever cross your mind that it was a simple typo? as for the pct, i have been in this game for many years and i asure you it is sufficent and i would really like to hear your reason as to why it isnt. the only thing i do agree with you on is that this cycle is to much for a 1st timer but i must of misread and not saw that this was his 1st. i always reccomend first timere hit up a 12 week cycle of test enth or cyp at 500mgs a week then start pct 10 days to 2 weeks after last injection. if he wants he can kickstart it with 35-50mgs of d-bol for the 1st 5 weeksBad advice.
Test should be run 2 weeks longer than deca, so you want deca 1-10 and test 1-12.
Secondly you don't want a 1:1 test:deca ratio. The level of test should be greater than the level of deca.
Also 500mg of deca is not necessary for a first cycle. Neither is 50mg of dbol for 5 weeks.
Just to top it off the PCT you suggested isn't sufficient for the cycle you recommended IMO.
come on bro, isnt it obvious i wrote it backwards? i guess it wasnt for you but i asure you i know the newbie crap like that. why would i have the deca being 2 weeks longer then the test? didnt it ever cross your mind that it was a simple typo? as for the pct, i have been in this game for many years and i asure you it is sufficent and i would really like to hear your reason as to why it isnt. the only thing i do agree with you on is that this cycle is to much for a 1st timer but i must of misread and not saw that this was his 1st. i always reccomend first timere hit up a 12 week cycle of test enth or cyp at 500mgs a week then start pct 10 days to 2 weeks after last injection. if he wants he can kickstart it with 35-50mgs of d-bol for the 1st 5 weeks
understandable bro. everyone is different and what works for one may not work for another. as for the deca and test, i know alot of people will tell you to keep your test dose higher but thats "old style" thinking. my last bulker was 1500mgs of deca, 1000mgs of test, 600mgs of eq and some d-bol. personally i love running a high dose of 19nor's when bulking because it seems to work better for me.I did hope it was a typo, lol. But in case he read it and decided to go for that, I pointed it out.
500mg test and 500mg deca doesnt sound right, the ratios are wrong. If you go with 500mg test, go 300-400mg deca
As for PCT, check back I said IMO (in my opinion). For a test/deca/dbol cycle, I personally would have run a higher dose or nolva or probably clomid, but thats my opinion only.