Monsterbox's Monster-Drol (new thread from the 13pger)

Get feeling better dude!!! I have had similar feelings to where you seem to be right now and it is definitely not cool. I was coming off of drugs a few years back and that is when my emotions went crazy. Cardio, no high glycemic carbs, and meditation, were huge for me during that time. Hope you recover quickly and you will be in our prayers.
 
He hasn't responded since yesterday, so I assume he went to some type of treatment center. Hopefully that is the case because he sounded really bad off, and I think something more physiological was going on with him.
 
Hey mbox i believe what you are going through is all getting worse because you are dreadin it and expecting it every second bro you really need to chill superdrol gave me real bad anxiety and emotion probs and SERMS **** with my head too you really need to relax and if you feel the need go to the hospital dude but it sounds as if your having some serious mental issues right now i can assure you that if you change your attitude about your whole situation you are going to be fine. just take some of these guys advice
 
LilPsychotic said:
He hasn't responded since yesterday, so I assume he went to some type of treatment center. Hopefully that is the case because he sounded really bad off, and I think something more physiological was going on with him.
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Hope he gets everything figured out.

Ha its funny that you are posting and your name is LilPsychotic HAAHA.....maybe not that funny but still.
 
bigzach1234 said:
your symptoms sounds like withdrawl symptoms... did u come off pain-killers or something of that nature?
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thats what im saying, those Rx meds will give you downer feelings causing you to rely on them plus youre already in bad health....

unless this guy abuses illegal drugs that we dont know about
 
pistonpump said:
thats what im saying, those Rx meds will give you downer feelings causing you to rely on them plus youre already in bad health....

unless this guy abuses illegal drugs that we dont know about
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some people also just get really bad mental issues from pro hormones and designer roids. i'm sure stacking ephedrine with a compound like superdrol and pheraplex doesn't help either.
 
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Ok. First of all Ill say I feel MUCH improved.

Here's the rundown....

PCT day 7 (this past monday) - AST down to 51 (from 230's), ALT down to 229 (from 540). Bilirubin is down to .7 (range is 1.5). So the liver is healing faster than doctors expected.

Total Dihydrotestosterone Count - 261 <<waiting on estradiol.


Let me recap:

Took p-plex for 3 weeks up to 40mg dosages...I'm very sensative to stuff. Like I said 20mg of Havoc blew me the hell up each time. I didn't gain any weight on pp but now I"m positive it screwed up my liver terribly and killed my hpta. Added in the M-drol for 9 days 10-15mg and that really topped things off.

-started getting really weird hot flashes/mood changes like non-other at the last few days on M-drol.

-stupidly took ephedra and then smoked weed to calm down....complete opposite effect! All coupled with coming off the cycle immediately.

-blood test that same day showed super high AST/ALT...freaked me the hell out after 48hrs NO sleep from the stimulants.

-thought I was normal the next two days with sex drive still high (life of the SD and PP still in me), I wasn't off Scott free....thought I was.

-Day 4 PCT crazy crash on friday night...once no sleep again, stressing out hardcore about liver, waiting on bilirubin and ultrasound...not knowing what to do about the SERM or not.

Day 5 PCT - Anxiety super easily triggered by lack of hormones....constant adrenaline and nothing to do about it. Then worrying about the liver because lack of blood test results and not knowing if I should take xanax or not. Drives a human being up the wall. No sleep again.

Day 6 -phucking lost my damn mind. Crying my eyes out...wake up in the middle of the night on Ambien, hallucinating and seeing sh*t, can't control my mind or my emotions just going nuts.

Day 7 - finally started to feel better and had testosterone tested/liver enzymes again

Day 8 - feeling even better...took .25mg of xanax twice

Day 9 (today) - feel ALOT better, almost normal now...haven't taken any xanax or sleeping meds. Little irritable....maybe SLIGHT anxiety but i'm much more calm and relaxed and have feelings.


TOTAL TEST as of Day 7 - 261.

My hypothesis on the situation:

Superdrol is EXTREMELY powerful. WAY more powerful than anyone anticipates. Theres NO REASON to take this stuff...just use epistane. You'll gain 2-3lbs less but without this crazy damage.

I seriously believe there is some kind of Stimulant-type effect to M-drol. I instantly had to use melatonin for the first time in my life after starting M-drol. I also remember being VERY focused like I was on aderall or something while I was taking tests/studying. I was the first one done on my 350 person biology examination in 25mins and scored a 95 after studying for 2 nights....something is going on here!

I seriously had no control over my mind or my emotions...there was absolutely nothing I could do to keep myself from going nuts. Obviously I wasn't going to commit suicide, but I felt THAT bad. Worst experience of my life period. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING like the crash after havoc.

After havoc I had a loss of sex drive and a little sadness for a week...then all was great. But with superdrol I had some sort of FREAKISH Adrenaline Overdrive...my glands were constantly pumping full blast alll day and night...human beings aren't supposed to be able to stay awake for 48hrs straight without a stimulant unless they are really really really PHUCKED UP.

My dad who used to use prohormones back in the day was asking me if I had been using Oxycontin or Ecstasy as he believed my symptoms were that of a opiate withdrawl minus the itching/pain.

Anyhow, my sex drive is starting to return. I'm only using Reversitol at 2pill/day. Do you guys think I should get back on Toremifene? My doctor doesn't seem concerened about liver values as they have dropped dramatically over the past 6 days. My test has increased to 261...i'd image from the intense hot flashes that I was probably at 0. Should It raise to 600-700 on its own with reversitol soon or should I stimulate it with Toremifene? I took the torem for only 4 days at only 60mg. BTW total cholesterol is 220 and my HDL is 40.

I'm not taking anything hormonal for a long while and when I return its going to be real stuff....and certainly not this superdrol sh*t. Anything that puts 20lbs on people in 3 weeks is going to wreck the sh*t out of you.
 
pistonpump said:
this is a real case of some who "is not ready"
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btw your annoying as Sh*t and none of your posts in here help anyone. All you want to do is rub it in...you only 4 years older than me you jack-off! Just leave!

The xanax and 5htp were the ONLY things that helped for those 3-4 days. The liver doctor confirmed that neither are destructive to the liver. 5htp does not mess up serotonin...it helps release more and regulates sleep. .25mg of Xanax is considered a Homeopathic dosage...most patients w/ anxiety take up to 2mg.


I don't have any god damn mental issues...never had any anxiety issues to begin with. P-plex and Superdrol both made me anxious as hell for the FIRST time in my life.


I just met a nurse that told me she developed 10,000ALT and medicine induced hepatitis from taking pain killer after a surgery for 2 weeks. People have adverse reaction to things dipsh*t. Its not always young people doing stupid sh*t. I was MORE THAN PREPARED for running something strong. I understood the consequences and I'm not bashing ANYONE, ANY COMPANY, or ANY PRODUCT. I've done way way way more research than 90% the people in the world who take superdrol, I had tons of support supplements and was VERY conscience about what I was doing. Stuff just didn't turn out as planned by any means.

I"m trying to enlighten people with MY experience....these are CHEMICALS, that are NOT tested for known side-effects. Its all user-feedback knowledge. How the F*CK do you know that something like M-drol, which is a clone of Superdrol, or even Superdrol itself, doesn't actually mess with other stuff in your body besides testosterone. Some people take Aderall and have no side-effects...other people have life changing traumatic withdrawls/weight loss/anxiety/break downs. Hell, I have friends that take Acutane...some of them are just fine and others have to stop taking it because it drives them insane. There's no testing done on these OTC, therefore anything is possible, and theres no one for me to blame but MYSELF.
Thanks.

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Everybody responds differently but your response is just crazy, you must be extremely sensitive to these agents. I felt nothing like you describe even at 30mg of SD on the 4th week. But since you are so sensitive you can still get good results without using the most powerful agents.

Bad luck man... but also i guess be careful with the other OTC drugs like the xanax and ambien and then doing ephedra mixed with x/y/z. Gets too hard to figure out what's going on! Glad your mind is back on track though. You had me more than a little concerned.
 
Glad you are feeling much better. It is crazy how much these chemicals have way different effects on some people. My best friend who also happens to be a complete idiot stacked p-plex 40mgs/ m-drol 30 mgs for 6 weeks with no support sups at all and used a bottle of PCS as his post cycle therapy and only had some sleep issues. it's crazy
 
lowboy said:
Glad you are feeling much better. It is crazy how much these chemicals have way different effects on some people. My best friend who also happens to be a complete idiot stacked p-plex 40mgs/ m-drol 30 mgs for 6 weeks with no support sups at all and used a bottle of PCS as his post cycle therapy and only had some sleep issues. it's crazy
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only had sleep issues that he knows off. he probably has limp penis issues and horrible blood pressure and cholesterol and his liver values are probably off the charts
 
jsp0785 said:
only had sleep issues that he knows off. he probably has limp penis issues and horrible blood pressure and cholesterol and his liver values are probably off the charts
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I agree 100%. I can only imagine what was happening to his liver, I just meant the emotional wise. I'm 23 and was about to start my 1st cycle (havoc) march 1st but besides breaking my ribs last week I am beginning to rethink messing with my hormones just yet.
 
Glad alls good man, crazy sh*t, I guess everyone reacts different, good luck with your recovery

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monsterbox said:
btw your annoying as Sh*t and none of your posts in here help anyone. All you want to do is rub it in...you only 4 years older than me you jack-off! Just leave!
Thanks alot, I was waiting for a response like this and quite frankly i agree. Thing is i was trying to help you on many occasions i gave you good advice but you seem to think you know everything (which we see you obviously didnt) and you decided not to listen to others with more experience than you. I wouldnt be so annoying if you didnt annoy me for so long with your pplex b1cthin and moaning!
The xanax and 5htp were the ONLY things that helped for those 3-4 days. The liver doctor confirmed that neither are destructive to the liver. 5htp does not mess up serotonin...it helps release more and regulates sleep. .25mg of Xanax is considered a Homeopathic dosage...most patients w/ anxiety take up to 2mg.
You never mentioned the dosages you took of xanax, let me look back at that.....no. The reason i mentioned to stop was because these have effect on the brain and even withdrawl symptoms, i can post studies where people actually became dependant on 5htp and we already know how much people abuse xanax. Adding more outside components at your own discretion to the situation isnt going to make it any easier.

I don't have any god damn mental issues...never had any anxiety issues to begin with. P-plex and Superdrol both made me anxious as hell for the FIRST time in my life.
Sounds like underlying anxiety issues lol

I just met a nurse that told me she developed 10,000ALT and medicine induced hepatitis from taking pain killer after a surgery for 2 weeks. People have adverse reaction to things dipsh*t. Its not always young people doing stupid sh*t. I was MORE THAN PREPARED for running something strong. I understood the consequences and I'm not bashing ANYONE, ANY COMPANY, or ANY PRODUCT. I've done way way way more research than 90% the people in the world who take superdrol, I had tons of support supplements and was VERY conscience about what I was doing. Stuff just didn't turn out as planned by any means. Stick with the natty test boosters and creatine, leave the strong toys for the big boys who can go out and play without mom to wipe them :nutkick: :op:

I"m trying to enlighten people with MY experience....these are CHEMICALS, that are NOT tested for known side-effects. Its all user-feedback knowledge. How the F*CK do you know that something like M-drol, which is a clone of Superdrol, (really? i didnt know that) or even Superdrol itself, doesn't actually mess with other stuff in your body besides testosterone. Because i know that it messes up other 'stuff' in your body besides testosterone, maybe if YOU knew that you would have done your research properly Some people take Aderall and have no side-effects...other people have life changing traumatic withdrawls/weight loss/anxiety/break downs. Hmmm... yes, its a strong stimulant (an amphetimine) and stimulants usually have those side effects :think: thanks for the headsup! :trout: Hell, I have friends that take Acutane...some of them are just fine and others have to stop taking it because it drives them insane. There's no testing done on these OTC, therefore anything is possible, and theres no one for me to blame but MYSELF. Yes we know this and this is the risk we take.
Thanks.

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Thank you!
 
monster i do think you have some balls with taking all the steroids you have done, but i agree with piston, you photos before you took havoc for the first time definatley showed you were not ready and your body had not hit full maturity. Hes only stating what he thought and thats ok, im sure he wasnt trying to belittle you by any mean, just stating a point thats is obvious. I am like you, short, small and i am anxious to do the roids to get my ''quick fix''. but to each his own, honestly at 20 you still have growing to do mentally and physically. (maturity wise). but thanks for your input in this section i do appreciate it.
 
crowpass said:
monster i do think you have some balls with taking all the steroids you have done, but i agree with piston, you photos before you took havoc for the first time definatley showed you were not ready and your body had not hit full maturity. Hes only stating what he thought and thats ok, im sure he wasnt trying to belittle you by any mean, just stating a point thats is obvious. I am like you, short, small and i am anxious to do the roids to get my ''quick fix''. but to each his own, honestly at 20 you still have growing to do mentally and physically. (maturity wise). but thanks for your input in this section i do appreciate it.
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X2.. Monster your logs are good, but if you cant take just criticism I suggest you dont log your cycles.
 
Update

Ok guys, I know I made a mistake..I'm never taking anything hormonal again I learned my lesson, steroids are not for me. I never realized how bad shutdown testosterone levels and strong compounds would affect me. I should have stuck to my trusty havoc, but lesson learned.

I really just need help getting through this...any real advice would help, you can save the under 21 trash talk. This could happen to anyone over 21.


I'm currently on day 11 of PCT:
First week I took Toremifene at 60mg off/on along with 2-3/reversitol

My total test as of day 9: 265 <<stupidly measured in the morning

My libido is starting to come back barely. I'm still have anxiety, but it seems to be only after about 5pm. This tells me my testosterone is still f*cked.

Should I throw in Diesel Test Hardcore? I'm trying to stay as natural as possible unless you guys really think I should be on the Toremifene. I just don't know if the toremifene could be contributing to the anxiety/libido.



News:
Weight is down to 177 but I'm cut as hell now. Looks like I lost only fat from the Anxiety diet. I got in the gym today and destroyed some weights. Not as much endurance but I had the strength.
 
yes! DTH worked great man, i honestly will say that should get your boys rolling again. I didnt notice a difference with or without sunami so stick with the dth, 3 a day spread out evenly worked great for me. Pick up some DTH, great call man
 
As for natural test boosters I am running igf-2 and sustain alpha and am pleased, it has shot up my libido... not sure how much it is helping my levels though like you are looking for. Never used DTH, but it has great reviews along with t911
 
also look into sustain alpha if you want, thats directly applied on the cock and balls. Just whichever you would prefer.
 
what do you guys think about the 265 number total test? Does this seem low or on target for beginning of week 2 pct? I'm trying to get to 600+ and stay there for life. No more of this sh*t. I'm checking out! I just want it back and over ASAP
 
monsterbox said:
what do you guys think about the 265 number total test? Does this seem low or on target for beginning of week 2 pct? I'm trying to get to 600+ and stay there for life. No more of this sh*t. I'm checking out! I just want it back and over ASAP
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it will get back. You messed with your body, it's going to take time to recover. Your best bet is to go find the bloodwork on DTH, Sustain Alpha, and other leading test boosters, to find out in fact which boosts testosterone the best... not just libido ad peoples word
 
The studies vary eh, well i can say your just about halfway there buddy, i wouldnt forget squats or deads at this point, im sure it could only help, but my count is for DTH. Ask chuck or trip anything, they are very helpfull ya know. Squat till you drop, ehh, it works for me.
 
Just now read this. Pretty crazy what happened to you monster. Good luck and keep us posted.

Hopefully this thread will be a warning to people who want to get huge quick not knowing of the possible side effects
 
crowpass said:
also look into sustain alpha if you want, thats directly applied on the cock and balls. Just whichever you would prefer.
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My girlfriend doesn't lke the taste. My wife doesn't mind it. Just kidding of course.

Get well Monster and keep us updated on the progress.
 
sounds like you have anxiety issues, dont try to just blame whatever you are taking or say you never had them before because things come up later, people change.

wanting libido back? well good luck you should know that this comes with the territory of coming off a cycle. You have to wait until things come back normal. Torem will only speed recovery but SERMs can cause neg effects on libido, double edge sword.
 
Libido is back, anxiety only comes in the evenings.

I DO NOT have anxiety issues. I was almost a professional trumpet player. I had an extremely intense rehearsal schedule form the time I was 14 yrs old. I had a full $50,000 scholarship to Rice University and Indiana from my academic efforts and performance auditions. My workload was extremely tough with no time for play and many many sleepless nights. Never had a single anxiety/emotional instability issue that wasn't related to lack of sleep.

Not to mention coming off of my first havoc cycle which was 5 weeks and extremely suppressive. My left nut was half the size and I had NO libido for a good 3 weeks on nolvadex. NO anxiety, NO withdrawl uncontrollable emotions or insomnia. I was also working 10hr shifts at a Warehouse moving boxes constantly and getting hardly any sleep during that PCT. I used to think people saying they felt anxious were pussies.


These issues Im going through now are DEFINITELY related to M-DROL/P-Plex. One or Both of these products and nothing else. Going back to reading my log I can see that I was very anxious on p-plex from the very start of it. I remember having intense feeling of somone running up in my house with a gun for the entire first week on p-plex and it made my SICK AS HELL with 2-3 drinks over an entire night.

So this is a wake up to let people no that these VERY STRONG products can and WILL f*ck with people. Obviously my liver was WAY off the chart and is coming back down VERY fast...my AST is back to 44. Why would they not seriously mess up my head if they f*cked my liver so outrageously hard...why on earth would this promote anyone to believe I had pre-existing anxiety.

My objective is to make people understand that M-drol/P-plex and powerfull chemicals of this nature have a very possible mental effect. Obviously you think otherwise because your too close minded with your own experiences. Once again, your no help to anyone in this thread pistonpump.
 
Gald to hear your liver values are coming back.. that's a tough deal with a lot of guesses as to why??
Could be your liver had some issues left over for the havoc cycles and just went south fast on the Pplex and Mdrol.. throw in the night drinking, didn't you get sick?? that's prolly a sign your liver was taxed then, though we all know drinking on cycle is a no-no..
Now the "mind" can fcuk with you... Any person can have a emotional reaction to any drug, or a even a placebo.. sometimes a real reaction, or just thier mind fcukin them..
case in point.. I was hella stressed running my own biz.. I was having chest muscle spasams.. I told myself it was stress.. but then after it keeps going on, well I wondered if it was my heart.. I mind fcuked myself.. your body can secreate all kinds of hormones when you are stressed or panicked.. you can get dizzy and the sweats, dry mouth, tight feeling in your chest and hard to breath.. I had a full medical check up.. stress test on the treadmill, they mapped my heart and sh!t.. I was as healthy as could flipping be... stress from my biz was giving me the chest muscle tightness, and the mind fcuk that set in was giving me the other stuff..
So you could give someone a sugar pill, then tell them it was rat posion.. and they could wig out and start to do all kinds of sh!t... from a panic attack to getting ill like you did give em rat posion..
Best of luck Monster
 
no, im not close minded to my own experiences. Im fully aware of the dangers but obviously you are one of those guys that think its just a pill because only now, through your hard times you realize that these are harmful substances??? HAHA give me a break! If havoc was so hard on you then why even move to something harder? Thats pretty stupid imo, people on average take havoc and only on rare occasions will you find people say it was very strong, its a mild compound compared to most orals. Im not a help to anyone who reads this thread.....? speak for yourself if you dont think im helping, even if im pissing you off, then thats your problem in the first place.
 
DLM5 said:
Gald to hear your liver values are coming back.. that's a tough deal with a lot of guesses as to why??
Could be your liver had some issues left over for the havoc cycles and just went south fast on the Pplex and Mdrol.. throw in the night drinking, didn't you get sick?? that's prolly a sign your liver was taxed then, though we all know drinking on cycle is a no-no..
Now the "mind" can fcuk with you... Any person can have a emotional reaction to any drug, or a even a placebo.. sometimes a real reaction, or just thier mind fcukin them..
case in point.. I was hella stressed running my own biz.. I was having chest muscle spasams.. I told myself it was stress.. but then after it keeps going on, well I wondered if it was my heart.. I mind fcuked myself.. your body can secreate all kinds of hormones when you are stressed or panicked.. you can get dizzy and the sweats, dry mouth, tight feeling in your chest and hard to breath.. I had a full medical check up.. stress test on the treadmill, they mapped my heart and sh!t.. I was as healthy as could flipping be... stress from my biz was giving me the chest muscle tightness, and the mind fcuk that set in was giving me the other stuff..
So you could give someone a sugar pill, then tell them it was rat posion.. and they could wig out and start to do all kinds of sh!t... from a panic attack to getting ill like you did give em rat posion..
Best of luck Monster
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However, the term psychosomatic disorder is mainly used to mean... "a physical disease that is thought to be caused, or made worse, by mental factors".

Some physical diseases are thought to be particularly prone to be made worse by mental factors such as stress and anxiety. For example, psoriasis, eczema, stomach ulcers, high blood pressure, and heart disease. It is thought that the actual physical part of the illness, (the extent of a rash, the level of the blood pressure, etc) can be affected by mental factors. This is difficult to prove. However, many people with these, and other physical diseases, say that their current mental state can affect how bad their physical disease is at any given time.

Some people also use the term psychosomatic disorder when mental factors cause physical symptoms, but where there is no physical disease. For example, a chest pain may be caused by stress, and no physical disease can be found. Physical symptoms that are caused by mental factors are discussed further in another leaflet called 'Somatization and Somatoform Disorders'.

nutjob
 
pistonpump said:
However, the term psychosomatic disorder is mainly used to mean... "a physical disease that is thought to be caused, or made worse, by mental factors".

Some physical diseases are thought to be particularly prone to be made worse by mental factors such as stress and anxiety. For example, psoriasis, eczema, stomach ulcers, high blood pressure, and heart disease. It is thought that the actual physical part of the illness, (the extent of a rash, the level of the blood pressure, etc) can be affected by mental factors. This is difficult to prove. However, many people with these, and other physical diseases, say that their current mental state can affect how bad their physical disease is at any given time.

Some people also use the term psychosomatic disorder when mental factors cause physical symptoms, but where there is no physical disease. For example, a chest pain may be caused by stress, and no physical disease can be found. Physical symptoms that are caused by mental factors are discussed further in another leaflet called 'Somatization and Somatoform Disorders'.

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Well it goes both ways, don't it bro?
A person can be a stable upstairs, like me.. lol
( I will preface this by saying I don't work in that high pressure field anymore, and I'm way less stressed for it.. hell life is great!! )

A guy can go thru the biz stress that keeps you awake half the night with
sh!t on your mind, and get the chest pains, then trip on "what" the chest pains are.. start thinking the worse, that your gonna die or sumthing.. and then you bout sh!t yourself, break into a sweat and get dizzy.. same as if you dodge a car crash, you get that adrenaline rush bcuz you amost bit it... peeps pass out over stuff like that, like they are in shock..
None of those reactions are nothing but normal human behavior to me. None of that is a physical disease, it's a physical reaction... at least the way I see it.. now a shrink might want to say it's a physical disease, but I think the whole psychology world is a bunch of BS!! I think they script peeps way to much crap to pimp down their throat, instead of telling them to just deal with it.. christ they will put you on pills now a days, bcuz your sad your freaking dog died.. now we got peeps thinking they can't live without their little pill and deal with day to day stuff in life..

Then on the flip side... you have the nut cases... I'll just say I agree with you on this point... crazy seems to have no limits... the true nut jobs, well they do need their meds..

I'm not gonna give my 2 cents on if Monster has a physc problem..
 
DLM5 said:
I'm not gonna give my 2 cents on if Monster has a physc problem..
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I will, and I don't think so. I think he's just a guy who got carried away when he started seeing great gains, and his current issues are probably remaining side effects that will go away with more time. If anything he's an example of why you need clear goals with a realistic time table to get there and a healthy respect for the substances you use to do it since he's shown us what happens when you let your gains go to your head and push it too hard.
 
well I"m doing absolutely f*ck ton better. Once again, I'm more than 100000% sure my emotional/anxiety breakdown was from the M-drol or P-plex.

I haven't taken xanax for 3 days and the constant adrenaline is pretty much gone. I have these slight twinges here and there but this sh*t if FINALLY letting up. Starting to feel like my old self.

I've been taking DTHC for the past 3 days at 3caps/day along with 2caps/Reversitol. My nuts are starting to feel swollen sometimes! I pop a boner pretty damn easy for only being 1 week ago with no libido.

Got results back from the Day 7 PCT BLood Test:
Total Test was 265, SHGB 15, and Estradiol was 29. Cortisol was 37!!!!!! Scale ends at 20. My CRP was way above range and said I'm in high cardiovascular risk. (although I think this number reflects liver stuff)

The lab couldn't get Free Test so I had to got to another. Got a Re-test today...Day 14-15. On SHBG, Free Test, Total Test, and Estradiol



IDEAS FOR THE CROWD:

My blood tests are an example that no one is really safe with these strong methyls. My AST / ALT were 230/550 range "ON". Most people Never measure while on cycle or in pct....99% of people who get blood tests get them after PCT. My enzymes dropped alot in just 1 week of quitting SD. They came down to 44/177. This goes to prove that you can get blood tests done later and think you are fine, but you definitely had caused serious heptacellular damage without knowing it. Alot of guys on here will run a regular methyl cycle with milk thistle and liv52 bullsh*t, finish up PCT, and get a full blood panel done which shows everything is fine. However, they had know clue that their values were probably above 400 on cycle, which is literally a measurement of cellular death. My doctor was saying that even medically induced hepatitis patients drop significantly over a month. Bottom line is, getting blood test On-Cycle should be extremely recommended. Even if 2 months after a cycle, AST/ALT levels have returned to normal, you can still have damage done to the liver. The doctor explained that a serious drinker that had quit drinking will have AST/ALT levels in the normal range, but their liver may be scared and their bilirubin may be high.
 
monsterbox said:
well I"m doing absolutely f*ck ton better. Once again, I'm more than 100000% sure my emotional/anxiety breakdown was from the M-drol or P-plex.

I haven't taken xanax for 3 days and the constant adrenaline is pretty much gone. I have these slight twinges here and there but this sh*t if FINALLY letting up. Starting to feel like my old self.

I've been taking DTHC for the past 3 days at 3caps/day along with 2caps/Reversitol. My nuts are starting to feel swollen sometimes! I pop a boner pretty damn easy for only being 1 week ago with no libido.

Got results back from the Day 7 PCT BLood Test:
Total Test was 265, SHGB 15, and Estradiol was 29. Cortisol was 37!!!!!! Scale ends at 20. My CRP was way above range and said I'm in high cardiovascular risk. (although I think this number reflects liver stuff)

The lab couldn't get Free Test so I had to got to another. Got a Re-test today...Day 14-15. On SHBG, Free Test, Total Test, and Estradiol



IDEAS FOR THE CROWD:

My blood tests are an example that no one is really safe with these strong methyls. My AST / ALT were 230/550 range "ON". Most people Never measure while on cycle or in pct....99% of people who get blood tests get them after PCT. My enzymes dropped alot in just 1 week of quitting SD. They came down to 44/177. This goes to prove that you can get blood tests done later and think you are fine, but you definitely had caused serious heptacellular damage without knowing it. Alot of guys on here will run a regular methyl cycle with milk thistle and liv52 bullsh*t, finish up PCT, and get a full blood panel done which shows everything is fine. However, they had know clue that their values were probably above 400 on cycle, which is literally a measurement of cellular death. My doctor was saying that even medically induced hepatitis patients drop significantly over a month. Bottom line is, getting blood test On-Cycle should be extremely recommended.
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I can only imagine how much you are spending on these tests... oh well lesson learned and you come out the better man!
 
monsterbox said:
well I"m doing absolutely f*ck ton better. Once again, I'm more than 100000% sure my emotional/anxiety breakdown was from the M-drol or P-plex.

I haven't taken xanax for 3 days and the constant adrenaline is pretty much gone. I have these slight twinges here and there but this sh*t if FINALLY letting up. Starting to feel like my old self.

I've been taking DTHC for the past 3 days at 3caps/day along with 2caps/Reversitol. My nuts are starting to feel swollen sometimes! I pop a boner pretty damn easy for only being 1 week ago with no libido.

Got results back from the Day 7 PCT BLood Test:
Total Test was 265, SHGB 15, and Estradiol was 29. Cortisol was 37!!!!!! Scale ends at 20. My CRP was way above range and said I'm in high cardiovascular risk. (although I think this number reflects liver stuff)

The lab couldn't get Free Test so I had to got to another. Got a Re-test today...Day 14-15. On SHBG, Free Test, Total Test, and Estradiol



IDEAS FOR THE CROWD:

My blood tests are an example that no one is really safe with these strong methyls. My AST / ALT were 230/550 range "ON". Most people Never measure while on cycle or in pct....99% of people who get blood tests get them after PCT. My enzymes dropped alot in just 1 week of quitting SD. They came down to 44/177. This goes to prove that you can get blood tests done later and think you are fine, but you definitely had caused serious heptacellular damage without knowing it. Alot of guys on here will run a regular methyl cycle with milk thistle and liv52 bullsh*t, finish up PCT, and get a full blood panel done which shows everything is fine. However, they had know clue that their values were probably above 400 on cycle, which is literally a measurement of cellular death. My doctor was saying that even medically induced hepatitis patients drop significantly over a month. Bottom line is, getting blood test On-Cycle should be extremely recommended. Even if 2 months after a cycle, AST/ALT levels have returned to normal, you can still have damage done to the liver. The doctor explained that a serious drinker that had quit drinking will have AST/ALT levels in the normal range, but their liver may be scared and their bilirubin may be high.
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Its very common for values to go back to normal abruptly after cessation of use. It is documented in most medical references with regards to AAS. I have read many threads of guys getting this uncontrollable anxiety after using SD. Trust me, your not alone. I would assume that the CRP, as you stated, is due to the hepatic inflammation that you endured. It is not a very good indicator of CV disease, but it dose put you at risk for an event. I assume that it will return to normal as your liver function improves, but I'm sure you will be undergoing more tests in the near future to moniter. Best of luck kid, I feel for you.
 
LilPsychotic said:
Its very common for values to go back to normal abruptly after cessation of use. It is documented in most medical references with regards to AAS. I have read many threads of guys getting this uncontrollable anxiety after using SD. Trust me, your not alone. I would assume that the CRP, as you stated, is due to the hepatic inflammation that you endured. It is not a very good indicator of CV disease, but it dose put you at risk for an event. I assume that it will return to normal as your liver function improves, but I'm sure you will be undergoing more tests in the near future to moniter. Best of luck kid, I feel for you.
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well wtf is up with this multiple poeople having uncontrollable anxiety...is this going to go away? How long do people feel this way?

I got my second test back

Total T- 466
Estradiol - 13

I feel slightly better, my sex drive is definitely more than returned and my strength is okay, but my adrenaline is still hypoactive. My phone will ring and the startle will stay with me for 15 mins instead of 15 secs. Superdrol did something to me.
 
monsterbox said:
well wtf is up with this multiple poeople having uncontrollable anxiety...is this going to go away? How long do people feel this way?

I got my second test back

Total T- 466
Estradiol - 13

I feel slightly better, my sex drive is definitely more than returned and my strength is okay, but my adrenaline is still hypoactive. My phone will ring and the startle will stay with me for 15 mins instead of 15 secs. Superdrol did something to me.
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Hyperactive
 
monsterbox said:
well wtf is up with this multiple poeople having uncontrollable anxiety...is this going to go away? How long do people feel this way?

I got my second test back

Total T- 466
Estradiol - 13

I feel slightly better, my sex drive is definitely more than returned and my strength is okay, but my adrenaline is still hypoactive. My phone will ring and the startle will stay with me for 15 mins instead of 15 secs. Superdrol did something to me.
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heya

glad to see all is getting better Monster!

esp. the TT going up--- cool!


boo
 
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