Monsterbox's Monster-Drol (new thread from the 13pger)

I"m twenty.

I quit the SD right away when I found out the elevation of my enzymes. Thats why I said I took my "LAST dosage of SD 48hrs ago". I guess I didn't make it clear enough, but I'm not enough of an idiot to continue with values 14x off the charts.

The PP did not work for me. It may be methlyated rat poison but it cetainly didn't do a damn thing but mess up my liver. My friend is very experienced and has run the original phera..he tested it out for a week and claims it did absolutely nothing for him and bridged into his bottle of Havoc.

The SD was working amazingly well, I was getting massive pumps and HUGE endurance gains. I took ephedra one time. I've used it before without ANY issues at all. I simply used it for an extra boost on my bench press day....the effects stayed with me for a LONG time.

According to the doctors, elevated liver stress will lead to Dramatic reponsiveness to stimulants with lasting CNS side effects.

He didn't know what to do about my liver values and transferred me to an Upper GI specialist whom I will see tomorrow morning. I had another blood test today, its now been almost 72hrs since my last SD dosage, so it will show a more accurate reading of liver condition. They will also be testing biliburin. I believe I may have had some kind of pre-existing condition, because I haven't abused anything by any means.

As for now, I'm checking out from PH/Steroids for a good long while. Its simply not worth these risks. When I return, it won't be with these un-tested/unreliable OTC supplements. I'm going to take a year or two off and return with Test-E. I'm certainly proud and happy with the gains I've made this year and I've bitten off more than I can chew. I should have had baseline blood tests done before diving greedily into SD.





PCT right now:
Dosed 70mg of Torem w/ 2 reversitol pills the past 3 days. I will lay off the torem and keep on the reversitol at 2pill/day until the doctor clears me to continue the SERM.

Sex drive is fine, anxiety is coming down, nuts are feeling fuller. I really don't think I was shut down too bad. Nips are fine. I mean how much longer is it going to take to feel a testosterone crash? SD should have cleared by now I figured.
 
monsterbox said:
I"m twenty.

I quit the SD right away when I found out the elevation of my enzymes. Thats why I said I took my "LAST dosage of SD 48hrs ago". I guess I didn't make it clear enough, but I'm not enough of an idiot to continue with values 14x off the charts.

The PP did not work for me. It may be methlyated rat poison but it cetainly didn't do a damn thing but mess up my liver. My friend is very experienced and has run the original phera..he tested it out for a week and claims it did absolutely nothing for him and bridged into his bottle of Havoc.

The SD was working amazingly well, I was getting massive pumps and HUGE endurance gains. I took ephedra one time. I've used it before without ANY issues at all. I simply used it for an extra boost on my bench press day....the effects stayed with me for a LONG time.

According to the doctors, elevated liver stress will lead to Dramatic reponsiveness to stimulants with lasting CNS side effects.

He didn't know what to do about my liver values and transferred me to an Upper GI specialist whom I will see tomorrow morning. I had another blood test today, its now been almost 72hrs since my last SD dosage, so it will show a more accurate reading of liver condition. They will also be testing biliburin. I believe I may have had some kind of pre-existing condition, because I haven't abused anything by any means.

As for now, I'm checking out from PH/Steroids for a good long while. Its simply not worth these risks. When I return, it won't be with these un-tested/unreliable OTC supplements. I'm going to take a year or two off and return with Test-E. I'm certainly proud and happy with the gains I've made this year and I've bitten off more than I can chew. I should have had baseline blood tests done before diving greedily into SD.





PCT right now:
Dosed 70mg of Torem w/ 2 reversitol pills the past 3 days. I will lay off the torem and keep on the reversitol at 2pill/day until the doctor clears me to continue the SERM.

Sex drive is fine, anxiety is coming down, nuts are feeling fuller. I really don't think I was shut down too bad. Nips are fine. I mean how much longer is it going to take to feel a testosterone crash? SD should have cleared by now I figured.
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Dude...You are 20 years old, so you starting taking ds/ph when you were 19 (havoc at 19). Your body is still is growing naturally...I know, I know this is going in one ear out the other, but your the one with high liver enzymes.. GET RID OF THE ZERO TO SIXTY SYNDROME. ITS NOT A SPRINT BUT A MARATHON TO GET BIGGER.
 
Hey buddy i hope everything works out good for ya. Roids are serious business and i hope the scares you have had recently have opened your eyes a little bit.
 
I really agree that too many people think they are just fine because they can't see inside their liver.

I felt FINE. I was gaining muscle and only had some anxiety. The only reason I went to the doctor was for something slow down my anxiety from the adverse reaction to ephedra and the insomnia I experienced. Had I not taken the ephedra, I probably would be on-cycle, feeling fine, and I would have never guessed that my liver was turning into peanut butter.

Now imagine how many other people in this world have no idea....I mean alot of us get blood work done AFTER pct. The liver can regenerate in that month time period a good amount.
 
monsterbox said:
I really agree that too many people think they are just fine because they can't see inside their liver.

I felt FINE. I was gaining muscle and only had some anxiety. The only reason I went to the doctor was for something slow down my anxiety from the adverse reaction to ephedra and the insomnia I experienced. Had I not taken the ephedra, I probably would be on-cycle, feeling fine, and I would have never guessed that my liver was turning into peanut butter.

Now imagine how many other people in this world have no idea....I mean alot of us get blood work done AFTER pct. The liver can regenerate in that month time period a good amount.
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Well said, but on the other hand, should you get bloodwork done right after your cycle??? The values are bound to be out of range. I had blood work done shortly before my cycle and plan on getting them done after PCT.

I think bloodwork done before & after entire cycle (ph/ps + PCT) is a good idea, because you want to: a) know if your values are within range from the start; b) know if your values have returned close to the same values from when you got the first bloodwork done.

However, it is interesting to see how far out of range they got right after the ph/ps cycle.....so, I guess 3 bloodwork tests/cycle would be optimum....
 
how long do you guys estimate superdrol to be in my system if I ran it for 8 days at 10mg and stopped suddenly? Its been almost 72hrs...should I be expecting any kind of crash, or can I assume the hormonal feeling I have now can only get better and not worse?
 
monsterbox said:
I'm going to take a year or two off and return with Test-E.
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Too bad this didn't work out for you but you have a good return plan.

I'm not going to give you any ****, you've always asked good questions and approached the subject matter in a mature and responsible way. You've researched the compounds, the research chemicals, the estrogen/prolactin interaction, the support supps... everything... more than the grand majority of people on here.

Age is a stupid measurement because it doesn't dictate mental maturity or intelligence. Granted you did start young, but it's silly to treat you like a child... sorry you had to go through all the drama here.

Pistonpump I DO believe that nonresponders exist, I am one of them, if you have any questions about it I would be excited to talk about it in PM because i've been at this for almost 2 years and I still haven't figured out why I am a nonresponder to certain compounds.

monsterbox said:
how long do you guys estimate superdrol to be in my system if I ran it for 8 days at 10mg and stopped suddenly? Its been almost 72hrs...should I be expecting any kind of crash, or can I assume the hormonal feeling I have now can only get better and not worse?
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i'm sure almost all of it is cleared, you didn't run long enough to build up high levels, and it has a short half life
 
well i would say it would be in your system for 4 - 6 weeks after you stop using. i assum thats why you would use a 4-6 week pct. Am I right? I do not know honestly but that would be my guess. Sh*t I would even say 8- 10 because of the strength of the compound. Man as you are in college i would definatley not drink for A WHILE, and intake plenty of water, maybe even go on a detox diet. But thats me and i would want to be safe. Just listen to your docs and dont dive into roids anytime soon. I think your stress had brought on alot of your anxiety, you were straight tripping out about the
p-plex there for a while. keep it clean man.
 
crowpass said:
well i would say it would be in your system for 4 - 6 weeks after you stop using. i assum thats why you would use a 4-6 week pct. Am I right? I do not know honestly but that would be my guess. Sh*t I would even say 8- 10 because of the strength of the compound. Man as you are in college i would definatley not drink for A WHILE, and intake plenty of water, maybe even go on a detox diet. But thats me and i would want to be safe. Just listen to your docs and dont dive into roids anytime soon. I think your stress had brought on alot of your anxiety, you were straight tripping out about the
p-plex there for a while. keep it clean man.
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I dont drink but once in a blue moon.

PCT is to recover your test levels....no compound stays for 4-6 weeks, maybe metabolites, but I'm talking about actual working drug.



How long do you guys think its going to take to get the values down...I here people complaining about being in the 80's, 90's im in the god dam 500's
 
crowpass said:
there ya go, thats better than what i gave you.
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Yeah orals won't build up for 4-6 or 10 weeks like that. I don't know for sure... it's possible that certain metabolites of the active molecule could still be detected much later, but in regard to the active compound that can cause suppression and anabolic effects, it doesn't last for very long.

For instance when I run SD i find I still make gains until about 5 days after the last dose (note that this was 4 weeks working up to 30mg though). And after 5 days... all downhill.
 
I learn something everyday. I was really wanting to try "the one" after i gained a few extra pounds but after monsters experience im not sure i want to give that a go. So, monster best of luck to you with your future goals dude. If we (the researchers and chemists0 are ware of the active compound(s) that cause shut down, it amazes me that their has not been a way to manipulate that and still have the positive anabolic effects without the suppresion. Im looking forward to be further into grad school and find out about those kind of problems.
 
monsterbox said:
how long do you guys estimate superdrol to be in my system if I ran it for 8 days at 10mg and stopped suddenly? Its been almost 72hrs...should I be expecting any kind of crash, or can I assume the hormonal feeling I have now can only get better and not worse?
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You should wait a month or so before you get bloodwork down. Your liver enzymes are going to be elevated from any oral and it takes time off to get them back in the normal range. The half lives of drugs dont mean nothing when it comes to this.
 
monsterbox said:
theres just too many factors now...i'm probably going to kick it. I keep getting this anxiety pains in my stomach which I can't tell if its anxiety or hypoglycemia. My weight is all over the board. I'm having flu symptoms every other day. I haven't slept a full night since the start of the cycle.

I'm fucusing on getting clean right now so I can get to the bottom of my issue.


Its been 24hrs since the Stim and SD pills, I still can't even think about food it makes me sick to my stomach. I can't drink water fast at all. Im nervous as hell. I hope the SD is out of my system soon...I'm guessing a few days?
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You need to keep calm, if you dont its just gonna make matters worse and it will elevate your BP as well. Anxiety can do a lot of rough things on the body and mind, trust me I have panic attacks and I have been using benzos like xanax and valium for about 17 years now. What you are experiencing is anxiety you need to focus on something else and forget about what happened to you and how your cycle got messes up, etc... forget about its over with. If you cant control your anxiety and you have had anxiety for a while now go see a physciatrist and have them test you fro anxiety disorders.
 
monsterbox, if you had only been using orals and your liver count is that high, you seriously need to get checked for hepatitus. with a liver count that high it is not unusuall to see patients with hepatitus. just a word from the wise man. Not trying to scare you brother but I believe i would check on it. PM me if you have any questions about it.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Yeah orals won't build up for 4-6 or 10 weeks like that. I don't know for sure... it's possible that certain metabolites of the active molecule could still be detected much later, but in regard to the active compound that can cause suppression and anabolic effects, it doesn't last for very long.

For instance when I run SD i find I still make gains until about 5 days after the last dose (note that this was 4 weeks working up to 30mg though). And after 5 days... all downhill.
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Unreal, you never retained any of your Superdrol gains? I think you said you've ran it 3x now? I'd hate to bust my ass on cycle just to lose it all in PCT. I want to maintain everything possible. Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers, angel77
 
i'm pretty sure unreal wasn't able to maintain his gains bc his other "supplement" wasn't what it was claiming to be....
 
mj34 said:
You need to keep calm, if you dont its just gonna make matters worse and it will elevate your BP as well. Anxiety can do a lot of rough things on the body and mind, trust me I have panic attacks and I have been using benzos like xanax and valium for about 17 years now. What you are experiencing is anxiety you need to focus on something else and forget about what happened to you and how your cycle got messes up, etc... forget about its over with. If you cant control your anxiety and you have had anxiety for a while now go see a physciatrist and have them test you fro anxiety disorders.
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good post.

Monster, is it possible that the test was messed up or the numbers mixed up? How was all your other numbers from the test?

Idk im thinkin you may have some sort of underlying condition that was there precycle. It could be your liver just isnt as strong as others, maybe hereditary idk. I for one know i come from a line of major alcoholics so i would assume we have strong livers already. (this doesnt mean i abuse things) Those numbers are just crazy high im very interested how you got them. If it was solely from the superdrol or pp/sd or liveraids/sd, there are alot of combinations. Try to stay extra healthy for now. Take care.
 
angel77 said:
Unreal, you never retained any of your Superdrol gains? I think you said you've ran it 3x now? I'd hate to bust my ass on cycle just to lose it all in PCT. I want to maintain everything possible. Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers, angel77
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Well I've run Superdrol twice now. It's really hard to tell how much gains I maintained, the first run i gained 15 pounds and a ton of strength. After PCT I kept a lot of the weight, but looked much fatter. Almost all of the strength just dried up. It was at that point that I decided that 4 weeks isn't long enough to keep gains and to do injectables. The second time was just like the first, but i was relying on my injectable kicking in to allow me to retain the gains. That didn't happen and once again I find myself significantly fatter and much of the strength lost. I will say that i've retained somewhat more of the strength this time, however it seems to be mostly in my legs. My bench dropped 20 pounds since coming off Superdrol.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Well I've run Superdrol twice now. It's really hard to tell how much gains I maintained, the first run i gained 15 pounds and a ton of strength. After PCT I kept a lot of the weight, but looked much fatter. Almost all of the strength just dried up. It was at that point that I decided that 4 weeks isn't long enough to keep gains and to do injectables. The second time was just like the first, but i was relying on my injectable kicking in to allow me to retain the gains. That didn't happen and once again I find myself significantly fatter and much of the strength lost. I will say that i've retained somewhat more of the strength this time, however it seems to be mostly in my legs. My bench dropped 20 pounds since coming off Superdrol.
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gotcha. cheers man......
 
UnrealMachine said:
Well I've run Superdrol twice now. It's really hard to tell how much gains I maintained, the first run i gained 15 pounds and a ton of strength. After PCT I kept a lot of the weight, but looked much fatter. Almost all of the strength just dried up. It was at that point that I decided that 4 weeks isn't long enough to keep gains and to do injectables. The second time was just like the first, but i was relying on my injectable kicking in to allow me to retain the gains. That didn't happen and once again I find myself significantly fatter and much of the strength lost. I will say that i've retained somewhat more of the strength this time, however it seems to be mostly in my legs. My bench dropped 20 pounds since coming off Superdrol.
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There are quite a number of factors that determine how much you keep pc. I'm not saying you done anything wrong, it's just tuff and everything must be spot on. And sure you are going to lose strength, no doubt once you come off.
 
monsterbox said:
how long do you guys estimate superdrol to be in my system if I ran it for 8 days at 10mg and stopped suddenly? Its been almost 72hrs...should I be expecting any kind of crash, or can I assume the hormonal feeling I have now can only get better and not worse?
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I have used AAS for a few years now and to be honest I see a ton of compliants oh how toxic this SD is and how lethargic it makes u. I have bros tell me Anadrol is mild in terms of sides compared to SD. I wouldnt touch this ****, **** its too ****ing toxic for me. I wil stick to my Test, Deca, Anavar, Winny, Tren and even Phera!
 
Doc said he wasn't too worried. He's seen people in 10,000's that recovered fine. We went ahead and ordered ultrasound which I will have done today, and a third blood test which tests for tons of different diseases.

I was feeling alot better until yesterday night. My libido went to the below the floor. I don't know what happend.

I took superdrol only 8 days. Came off monday. Took 60mg/Toremifene Citrate on Tuesday and Wednesday Night along with 2pill/reversitol and felt like a libido horse. I stopped taking the Toremifene thursday and friday and my libido crashed like crazy suddenly. I can't tell if its the Superdrol clearing my system which was supporting my libido or the lack of toremifene....I kind of want to get back on it, I just decided id try a little less strain on the liver. Any ideas? Could this be prolactin rebound?

No itchy/swollen nips at all, but NO sex drive. I'm completely ED right now and its terrible. Even at my worst axiety moments the last few days I've been a sex beast.
 
Id imagine your pretty shut down.. Hopefully your doc will give you some good news and you can hit the torem again.
 
dude you are coming off cycle there will be a crash. If you dont experience one in PCT let me know what you did cuz im still trying to figure it out. Thats my number one dread when it comes to PCT. You could be stressed out too not to mention test levels are very low right now.
 
yes stressing extremely high...super bad anxiety. Throwing up and breaking down emotionally on the floor in my room. Its like I know theres nothing to worry about but my adrenaline glands are just pumping for no f*cking reason. I'm never doing any hormonal sh*t again I swear to god. This is the worst feeling in my life....something's not right, I wasn't anxious like this after havoc at all.

Its been 7 days of PCT so far...I thought I'd be getting better. The ONLY way I can sleep is with .5mg of xanax and ambien pill.

So far I'm running.

60mg toremifene/2 reversitol pills. I plan on keeping this up for the next 2 weeks then dropping to 30mg of Toremifene and 1 reversitol pill for the next few weeks.

Going to get a hormonal blood test on Monday. I'm guessing I have no test and my cortisol is through the ROOF this is why I feel like an insanely anxious/nausious zombie with no sex drive or desire to live anymore.
 
The other method helps for sleep too
 
monsterbox said:
yes stressing extremely high...super bad anxiety. Throwing up and breaking down emotionally on the floor in my room. Its like I know theres nothing to worry about but my adrenaline glands are just pumping for no f*cking reason. I'm never doing any hormonal sh*t again I swear to god. This is the worst feeling in my life....something's not right, I wasn't anxious like this after havoc at all.

Its been 7 days of PCT so far...I thought I'd be getting better. The ONLY way I can sleep is with .5mg of xanax and ambien pill.

So far I'm running.

60mg toremifene/2 reversitol pills. I plan on keeping this up for the next 2 weeks then dropping to 30mg of Toremifene and 1 reversitol pill for the next few weeks.

Going to get a hormonal blood test on Monday. I'm guessing I have no test and my cortisol is through the ROOF this is why I feel like an insanely anxious/nausious zombie with no sex drive or desire to live anymore.
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Sorry to hear the bad news. I liked following your logs, cuz they were illustrated lol (posted pics).

Weren't you on ephedra too? Don't you think that had a lot to do with it? I remember taking that stuff in high school and it would have me all wierd for a while. I can't imagine mixing that w/ hormones. You sound like how I was after I took my friend's ADD medicine during finals. I studied really good, but then had emotional issues and anxiety problems...hopefully you get better man.
 
eballarj said:
Sorry to hear the bad news. I liked following your logs, cuz they were illustrated lol (posted pics).

Weren't you on ephedra too? Don't you think that had a lot to do with it? I remember taking that stuff in high school and it would have me all wierd for a while. I can't imagine mixing that w/ hormones. You sound like how I was after I took my friend's ADD medicine during finals. I studied really good, but then had emotional issues and anxiety problems...hopefully you get better man.
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The ephedrine hit himn so hard because his liver wasn't working properly. I think its good that you stopped the cycle when you did. You should recover with a fair amount of time off, and I'm certain you learned a valuable lesson. Give your body some time to grow into the 40 lbs that you have put on this year.
 
monsterbox said:
yes stressing extremely high...super bad anxiety. Throwing up and breaking down emotionally on the floor in my room. Its like I know theres nothing to worry about but my adrenaline glands are just pumping for no f*cking reason. I'm never doing any hormonal sh*t again I swear to god. This is the worst feeling in my life....something's not right, I wasn't anxious like this after havoc at all.

Its been 7 days of PCT so far...I thought I'd be getting better. The ONLY way I can sleep is with .5mg of xanax and ambien pill.

So far I'm running.

60mg toremifene/2 reversitol pills. I plan on keeping this up for the next 2 weeks then dropping to 30mg of Toremifene and 1 reversitol pill for the next few weeks.

Going to get a hormonal blood test on Monday. I'm guessing I have no test and my cortisol is through the ROOF this is why I feel like an insanely anxious/nausious zombie with no sex drive or desire to live anymore.
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Monster, just do a lot of cardio. It will increase your dopamine level. You'll feel better overall and it will probably flush the sh*t out of your system faster!
 
I feel soo terrible guys and its not in my head. I'm set up to see hormonal doctors for blood tests and then liver doctors etc...

I have liver results coming back soon from the second and third blood tests


Im having extremely extremely bad emotional problems. My sleep involves dreaming that I have anxiety problems...I just can't get away from it, no escape.

I also have fever now and the chills/soar throat aches and am loosing weight with NO appetitie.

I'm falling apart guys...I feel so terrible in the afternoons from the all day constant burning uncontrollabel anxiety thats disconnected from my mind that I feel no emotions/no feelings/no love for things/ i'm completely inhumane. NOTHING makes me feel better except xanax. I have to take it with ambien to sleep.

I feel as if this is only going to get worse as I'm getting sick now for probably bad cold/flu. I have constant diarehea from the nervousness. The sad part is I'm not worrying about ANYTHING....I know I'm going to make it out of this but my body is just uncontrollable. All I can do is cry in a ball in my floor and moan to myself that I wish I was dead.

God help me.
 
wtf?
kids dont do steroids.
its really that bad? you sound suicidal bro, stop taking all those meds you need to see a head doctor something is wrong mentally too.
 
i agree with piston, if you commit suicide your failing yourself and the other people around you. Suicide is very selfish and your only 20 man. Keep your chin up and dont focus on the important things at hand. Getting huge and swole should not be your priority while in school. Contiue to better yourself through education and make that money baby! Ley off the roids from now on and if you dont feel the desire to live anymore, please go see a doc, or get some pussy. You are screwing with yourself because you are mentally breaking down. Keep your sh*t straight and man up. Take everything as it comes and bust trhough it with a f*cking passion. Dont ever give up and be sure to get your ass healthy.
 
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i agree with piston, if you commit suicide your failing yourself and the other people around you. Suicide is very selfish and your only 20 man. Keep your chin up and dont focus on the important things at hand. Getting huge and swole should not be your priority while in school. Contiue to better yourself through education and make that money baby! Ley off the roids from now on and if you dont feel the desire to live anymore, please go see a doc, or get some pussy. You are screwing with yourself because you are mentally breaking down. Keep your sh*t straight and man up. Take everything as it comes and bust trhough it with a f*cking passion. Dont ever give up and be sure to get your ass healthy.
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trust me man I'm not going to kill myself. I'm normally the most confident, hard working, and responsible guy. I never have had anxiety problems until running this cycle. My body is so f*cked up right now that I can't feel anything good at all...its like a crystal meth withdrawl...I feel completely alone even if someone is screaming in my face, just breathe you are ok. I have NO feelings, No desire, no escape...I have some kind of seriously bad reaction to something that I took. Its more than likely the M-drol is still leaving the system.

People haven't been able to explain the 4 months delayed gyno from this stuff. It must store in your muscle/fat cells and haunt you for a long time. It just won't let go...it won't let up...I feel the lowest/worst i've ever felt in my entire life. It seriously feels just as bad as if my entire family died in a car wreck and left me alone.

I've been in PCT for 7 days and keep going down hill. I"m going to drop the Toremifene now and stick with reversitol only to eliminate as many variables a possible. I'm tkaing valarian root, 5htp to try and hold on...its just after 5:00pm things just start crashing worse and worse every day.

Went ahead and got full hormone panel with test/free test/estradiol/shgb/prolactin/lipids/thyroid/ alll of it.
 
monsterbox said:
trust me man I'm not going to kill myself. I'm normally the most confident, hard working, and responsible guy. I never have had anxiety problems until running this cycle. My body is so f*cked up right now that I can't feel anything good at all...its like a crystal meth withdrawl...I feel completely alone even if someone is screaming in my face, just breathe you are ok. I have NO feelings, No desire, no escape...I have some kind of seriously bad reaction to something that I took. Its more than likely the M-drol is still leaving the system.

People haven't been able to explain the 4 months delayed gyno from this stuff. It must store in your muscle/fat cells and haunt you for a long time. It just won't let go...it won't let up...I feel the lowest/worst i've ever felt in my entire life. It seriously feels just as bad as if my entire family died in a car wreck and left me alone.

I've been in PCT for 7 days and keep going down hill. I"m going to drop the Toremifene now and stick with reversitol only to eliminate as many variables a possible. I'm tkaing valarian root, 5htp to try and hold on...its just after 5:00pm things just start crashing worse and worse every day.

Went ahead and got full hormone panel with test/free test/estradiol/shgb/prolactin/lipids/thyroid/ alll of it.
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Dude... Take some deep breaths and relax. You are taking this Ph/DS thing way to serious, not to forget you should have waited until you are older. Stop analyzing everything. Just go lift, do some cardio and ENJOY COLLEGE. Why do you want to be big so fast? What do you get out of it? In my opinion nothing. Majority of women do not care if you are a muscle bound. Your not making any money off taking PH/DS. Does taking this stuff make you smarter? Dude your in college these are supposed to be the best times of your life. In my opinion your log should be posted as sticky for the under 21 crowd.
 
Wow, this sounds really bad. I think you should go to a hospital to get some panels done. They can do it very quickly. This sounds like a more physical problem other than anxiety. I've never seen a reaction this bad to a one month cycle.
 
mj34 said:
I have used AAS for a few years now and to be honest I see a ton of compliants oh how toxic this SD is and how lethargic it makes u. I have bros tell me Anadrol is mild in terms of sides compared to SD. I wouldnt touch this ****, **** its too ****ing toxic for me. I wil stick to my Test, Deca, Anavar, Winny, Tren and even Phera!
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anadrol mild compared to SD? i'm gonna go with a big no on that one. and to the OP there is always a huge side effect of getting depression after a cycle it happens to a lot of people and some more severe than others. u ****ed with ur bodies hormones like crazy switching between superdrol and pplex and whatever else you took and u were on them waaaaaay too long. i knew a guy who went into the deepest depressing after doing a cycle of the weak pro hormones when they first came out. this stuff isn't a joke and everybody thinks i'll pop this pill and get huge and it won't effect me in any way. and with the pplex some people don't get anything out of it because there are 2 different types of the 2 ene thats in it. the original was 100% mix of the b isomer i think and many clones are only about a 50-50 combination. the only phera i used that was good was the one from SNS because it is an 80-20 split.
 
Damn monster I am reading this crap and have no clue what to tell ya except good luck and I hope you get your head/body right. Get all the help you need to get right and take a long break from this hormonal crap.
 
monsterbox said:
trust me man I'm not going to kill myself. I'm normally the most confident, hard working, and responsible guy. I never have had anxiety problems until running this cycle. My body is so f*cked up right now that I can't feel anything good at all...its like a crystal meth withdrawl...I feel completely alone even if someone is screaming in my face, just breathe you are ok. I have NO feelings, No desire, no escape...I have some kind of seriously bad reaction to something that I took. Its more than likely the M-drol is still leaving the system.

People haven't been able to explain the 4 months delayed gyno from this stuff. It must store in your muscle/fat cells and haunt you for a long time. It just won't let go...it won't let up...I feel the lowest/worst i've ever felt in my entire life. It seriously feels just as bad as if my entire family died in a car wreck and left me alone.

I've been in PCT for 7 days and keep going down hill. I"m going to drop the Toremifene now and stick with reversitol only to eliminate as many variables a possible. I'm tkaing valarian root, 5htp to try and hold on...its just after 5:00pm things just start crashing worse and worse every day.

Went ahead and got full hormone panel with test/free test/estradiol/shgb/prolactin/lipids/thyroid/ alll of it.
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1.superdrol had me emotional.
2. from the past 2 logs steroids are not for you.
3. relax and keep yourself occupied.
 
jsp0785 said:
anadrol mild compared to SD? i'm gonna go with a big no on that one. and to the OP there is always a huge side effect of getting depression after a cycle it happens to a lot of people and some more severe than others. u ****ed with ur bodies hormones like crazy switching between superdrol and pplex and whatever else you took and u were on them waaaaaay too long. i knew a guy who went into the deepest depressing after doing a cycle of the weak pro hormones when they first came out. this stuff isn't a joke and everybody thinks i'll pop this pill and get huge and it won't effect me in any way. and with the pplex some people don't get anything out of it because there are 2 different types of the 2 ene thats in it. the original was 100% mix of the b isomer i think and many clones are only about a 50-50 combination. the only phera i used that was good was the one from SNS because it is an 80-20 split.
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what are you talking about?
1. he wasnt on waaaaaaaay too long
2. switching compounds isnt gonna make you crazy, people do it all the time

Some people are ready for and can handle steroidal compounds and others cant, its simple really. If you get ****ed from using then either your body wasnt ready or bad reaction or your mind wasnt ready and you didnt have the responsibilty or knowledge to deal with it.


Monster i seriously think you should stop self medicating right now! Taking xanax, ambien, 5htp, valerian BIG NO NO :nono: you are screwing with serotonin and a whole lot of other sh1t that sure isnt gonna help. Stop overthinking things, what do they call that when you think something and it becomes......psychosamatic? idk i think thats what you are doing to a good degree. Relax and take a break from supplementing anything at all unless doctor prescribed!!!!!! Real Talk.
 
yeah your using some many compound I dont see how you could blame the steroids you even mention its like coming of meth I really dont see how you would know that unless you've done meth Its like blaiming stroids for chris benoit when he was on tons of other **** if I was you I would quit taking epedra caffine that **** can cause depression to you just cant take a boat load of **** and know the possible reactions. I wish you well though.
 
pistonpump said:
what are you talking about?
1. he wasnt on waaaaaaaay too long
2. switching compounds isnt gonna make you crazy, people do it all the time

Some people are ready for and can handle steroidal compounds and others cant, its simple really. If you get ****ed from using then either your body wasnt ready or bad reaction or your mind wasnt ready and you didnt have the responsibilty or knowledge to deal with it.


Monster i seriously think you should stop self medicating right now! Taking xanax, ambien, 5htp, valerian BIG NO NO :nono: you are screwing with serotonin and a whole lot of other sh1t that sure isnt gonna help. Stop overthinking things, what do they call that when you think something and it becomes......psychosamatic? idk i think thats what you are doing to a good degree. Relax and take a break from supplementing anything at all unless
doctor prescribed!!!!!! Real Talk.
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i agree he wasnt on long at all.
i dont know why he needs to take all that other crap. its really unnecessary.
since he took all the other sh!t he cannot pinpoint what f'd him up.
 
repmks said:
i agree he wasnt on long at all.
i dont know why he needs to take all that other crap. its really unnecessary.
since he took all the other sh!t he cannot pinpoint what f'd him up.
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didn't he say he ran phera for 3 weeks didn't notice anything so he got off then did superdrol then switched to mdrol?
 
repmks said:
superdrol is m-drol hese been "on" for 3-5 weeks i think. which isnt long at all.
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oh i misunderstood then. i thought he was on phera for 3 weeks then ran a whole other cycle with the superdrol cause he said he didn't feel anything. i thought he was on for like 7 weeks or so.
 
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