MOHN Gyno???

Haltera

Haltera

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Hi, I have been thinking about doing a 7 weeks cycle on mohn at 28-36mg/day. But researching about this compound in the net I have found some gyno cases...

Has this compound any progestational activity??

I will surely stack it with hidroxytest (Im pretty sure its anti-estrogenic properties could be helpful...). Im also considering add some 1-Test transdermally (i will try to avoid test/4ad if possible).

Any suggestions and feddback would be appreciated... ;)
 
I had a friend who used this at about 16mg's a day for 4 weeks. He did not use a SERM for pct and had pretty bad gyno develop due to it. So yes, gyno is an issue with this. 7 weeks is pretty long to run a methyl too, imo. Have a solid pct ready to go as well. Good luck.
 
Sparta2 said:
I had a friend who used this at about 16mg's a day for 4 weeks. He did not use a SERM for post cycle therapy and had pretty bad gyno develop due to it. So yes, gyno is an issue with this. 7 weeks is pretty long to run a methyl too, imo. Have a solid post cycle therapy ready to go as well. Good luck.
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Thanks for the feedback ;)

I dont think mohn is too toxic on the liver even at 30 or 40mg/day so I dont care about that very much.

On the other side, about your friend developing gyno thanks for the input and the warning :blink: , but I think it still could be due to an imbalance in the estrogen-testosterone after the cycle...

Thanks for your help Sparta2 ;)
 
I've run this myself at 20mg's a day plus M5AA at 30 to 40mg's pre workout with no issues. I've a feeling my pal's gyno was also due to some progesterone issues with the MOHN. I've read elsewhere that some have this issue with this compound. I did not. Got some great strenght gains from it and nice cuts. Also helps with joint pain. My friend rarely did proper pct and had no gyno except with this compound. He learned a valuable lesson. And got a lumpy breast.
 
I've run MOHN for 12 weeks @ 48mgs and had zero problems. I think it is the mildest Methyl I have ever seen. Still I take all the normal PCT precautions.
 
gyno is a *possibility* anytime you disrupt homeostasis exogenously, as is HPTA shut-down - lack of APPARENT T/E imbalance is *not* information, and can't be counted on. Proper post cycle therapy is ALWAYS necessary when exogenous androgens are involved.

Also: "doesn't convert to E" is NOT equivalent to "prevents E"; MOHN doesn't convert to E and does not characteristically induce gyno, but see the paragraph before this one...then read this one again.
 
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Thank you very much for the help ;)

BTW, this cycle looks good enough??

W1 MOHN 24mg
W2 MOHN 30mg
W3 MOHN 30mg 4OHT
W4 MOHN 30mg 4OHT 1Test
W5 MOHN 30mg 4OHT 1Test
W6 MOHN 30mg 4OHT 1Test
W7 MOHN 36mg 4OHT 1Test

Note im not sure about oht and 1test dosage yet... (im worried about my lipid profile running 4oht for long time and at high dosage)

Also, would I have lethargy problems running 1test without any test/4ad...?? could mohn help these issues if not using test?? if I use testosterone I will increase my chances to get gyno from the mohn??

Maybe too much questions...;) Thanks for the feedback...
 
MOHN, in theory, binds to the PgR...this can certainly increase the chances for prolactin gyno...but it is mild stuff overall, so i would suspect one's odds are good....i ran it as high as 48mg/day and liked the recomp effects. no sides for me.

i personally think your cycle is backwards - the 1-T and 4OHT should be 7-8 weeks and the MOHN should be 4-5, IMHO. obviously there's no need to kickstart with transdermals (i assume that's what you're doing), so the MOHN is just an adjunct (and not a bad one)
 
same_old said:
MOHN, in theory, binds to the PgR...this can certainly increase the chances for prolactin gyno...but it is mild stuff overall, so i would suspect one's odds are good....i ran it as high as 48mg/day and liked the recomp effects. no sides for me.

i personally think your cycle is backwards - the 1-T and 4OHT should be 7-8 weeks and the MOHN should be 4-5, IMHO. obviously there's no need to kickstart with transdermals (i assume that's what you're doing), so the MOHN is just an adjunct (and not a bad one)
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Thanks for your help same_old ;)

So, OHT will not be so hard on my lipids running it for so long time (it's also an AI from what I know)???
If I start to feel gyno symtoms I should add letro/nolva and I think it will not help with my lipids considering the oht properties... (mmm I think using oht I should not be worry about estrogen anyway...)

Also, 5weeks are enough to feel the mohn??? I thought it kicked on week 4 or 5...

Sorry, but another question: Will be oht enough to combat the lethargy from 7 weeks on 1test???

Thanks for be so kind...:box:
 
Haltera said:
Also, 5weeks are enough to feel the mohn??? I thought it kicked on week 4 or 5...

Sorry, but another question: Will be oht enough to combat the lethargy from 7 weeks on 1test???

Thanks for be so kind...:box:
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there are several schools of thought on use of "mild" 17aa's...some think that because they are generally weak, that they should be used longer to elicit more effect...i personally say: if you want more results, use a stronger steroid for a shorter period....not that i dont see value in an 6-to-8-week var cycle, or 6-8 weeks of tbol or MOHN, but people thinking it's easier on them than 4 weeks of dbol are probably delusional. not that any of these protocols are lethal by any stretch...you could certainly run the MOHN the whole cycle and likely not have problems.

anyfoo, as for the 4OHT being enough for 1-T lethargy, that seems to vary from person to person. i've never used 1-T without test or 4-ad, so i cant even give you a personal feedback tidbit....but i know that if my test dose wasnt high enough, i felt like i'd been hit by a truck.
 
hi, I was cleaning the closet and am using this but at only 4mg per day and feeling lethargic and crappy. Is this too low a dose or just a side effect?
 
skiphreak said:
hi, I was cleaning the closet and am using this but at only 4mg per day and feeling lethargic and crappy. Is this too low a dose or just a side effect?
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That dose is low. The standard dose after it's initial release was found to be best at 25 - 35mg. It's fairly light so I wouldn't see it at the primary culprit in your lethargy. You could be sensitive to methlys or something though.
 
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