Hi guysNew to this forum but always pop in for a read. The Dr threads are great.i believe the trycyclic anti depressant Mirtazapine to be a growth agent. For the last year I suffered anxiety/mild depression and insomnia and gastro issues after a prolonged phase of working 14 hr days in construction. My docs refused to accept any other explanation other than depression, bar one who was a good listener and open to ideas. I agreed to try all the ssri's they prescribed and the sleeping pills too - none worked and most made me feel wired. My own research suggested adrenal issues and being much inclined to natural products, I put myself through a series of trials on various substances over 12 months - I had nothing to lose. It took that time to get a cortisol test from my local surgery (UK). The test is available ok, for free, but all but one of the docs I saw, claimed it was pointless - even one who specialises in cortisone injections! Sure enough, my cortisol was off the chart high.i had pre-empted this obvious revelation by hitting dhea at 100mg per breakfast and 50mg mid afternoon. My skin, energy, focus and physique all improved substantially as the dhea drove down my cortisol through an increase in sex hormone activity. Ironically, my high cortisol had not made me heavier but lighter and with much less fat - as it was always accompanied by adrenalin - symptom pounding heart day and night. Perhaps also, cortisol's suppression of T led to a dominance of E which in itself does not actually increase fat cell numbers but potentiates anxiety and insomnia. My testes were much larger and harder each morning and held their size over the day.i had been given MIRTAZAPINE by my doc at one point and used it on the odd day when sleep was vital - it is better than anything I have ever tried for that! I knew also, it was a sledgehammer for knocking down cortisol. Recently, I took it in conjunction with the DHEA. The effect was incredible. After 4 days use I went alpha male overnight. I have used plenty of aas cycles in the past, short and long, and I can tell you that the effect of dhea and 15mg Mirtazapine combined was psychologically far more powerful. Not just that, but my vascularity/pumped appearance was very notable. I felt stronger and über confident. I didn't walk faster, I walked slower...with real purpose. I noted that the rate of testicular shrinkage over the daily circadian rhythm was more pronounced (suggesting higher endogenous androgen levels), and I could control this by reducing the dose of dhea. It felt like a high dopamine mindset with the addition of strength and calm. The hangover associated with this drug disappeared after only two days and seemed to be caused by using dhea with it, for without - the day lag was heavy. Also, the dhea seemed to remove the excessive appetite associated with Mirtazapine and I wanted to eat meat constantly with the combo?!So... What is going on here? I actually want to do this again next week as it was such a good package - sleep, confidence, growth, mood, improvement in many functions. Is mirtazapine somehow potentiating the effects of dhea, or does it need dhea to maximise it's function? I would compare it, for me, to doing 40/50mg per day of dbol without the caffeine like symptoms, instead a calm and focused demeanour. My lifting felt really easy too. I appreciate everyone is different but I hope the merits of this personal experience are worth sharing.Nick
