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Mid Cycle Help

fryedegg

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Just got done with my 1st bottle of test. Ran it for 6 weeks at 400mg/week. Have also been running anavar 50mg/ED and did 1mg IGF-1 for about 4 weeks of that. Am not happy with the bloatyness that came along with the test, so am continuing the anavar for 6 weeks, considering more IGF and am starting winstrol 50mg/ED in place of the test.

For pct I have hcg/novla and am a bit confused of when to start taking it. My last test shot was yesterday and will be running the anavar/winny for another 6 weeks... so do I need to take any of of my pct stuff now or jsut wait until the very end since the winny/anavar will still keep my test levels up pretty high?

Just been reading/hearing mixed things, looking for more input. Thanks in advanced.

The winstrol is tabs, so is taking something like milk thistle needed or will just drinking copious amounts of water suffice?
 
12 weeks of anavar... the whole cycle will be 12 weeks total. Anavar the whole time. 6 weeks of test. The cycle looks like this:

1st 6 weeks anavar, test, igf-1

up coming 6 weeks anavar, winny, igf-1 (if I can afford it)

I have nolva/hcg and the question is when exactly should I implement it as I have been hearing/reading different things? My last test shot was 24 hours ago...

thanks
 
fryedegg said:
12 weeks of anavar... the whole cycle will be 12 weeks total. Anavar the whole time. 6 weeks of test. The cycle looks like this:

1st 6 weeks anavar, test, igf-1

up coming 6 weeks anavar, winny, igf-1 (if I can afford it)

I have nolva/hcg and the question is when exactly should I implement it as I have been hearing/reading different things? My last test shot was 24 hours ago...

thanks
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you should keep the test going, even if you drop the dosage to 250/wk it will absolutely help you more than anything, running var for 12 weeks isnt a great idea, any methyl really shouldnt be run much longer than 6 weeks, but its up to you - milk thistle would be a good idea .. also i would say start the hcg up now and run it through till the 2nd-3rd week of pct (nolva starting 2 weeks after last shot of test or the day after last dose of pills if you drop the test now
 
ScottyMac710 said:
you should keep the test going, even if you drop the dosage to 250/wk it will absolutely help you more than anything, running var for 12 weeks isnt a great idea, any methyl really shouldnt be run much longer than 6 weeks, but its up to you - milk thistle would be a good idea .. also i would say start the hcg up now and run it through till the 2nd-3rd week of pct (nolva starting 2 weeks after last shot of test or the day after last dose of pills if you drop the test now
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Definitely just want to echo this advice.
 
I second that...it's not really recommended running an oral for 12 weeks....let alone 2 for the second six weeks.

If your unsure about HCG and when/how to run it there is a good table up in the definitive guide to PCT a few threads below this.



Scotty's advice is solid though
 
Wow guys, didn't realize I was way off bounds with my idea's. So... with what you guys have said I think this is what I will do. Stop the anavar and just doing the winny for the last 6 weeks, and hopefully some more IGF. Going to start the HCG and continue into PCT amd start the novla the day after my last oral dose of winny. Also starting the milk thistle from now and throughout pct. Does that sound a little better?

Also, quick IGF question. IGF is good to help sustain gains during pct, right?
 
fryedegg said:
Wow guys, didn't realize I was way off bounds with my idea's. So... with what you guys have said I think this is what I will do. Stop the anavar and just doing the winny for the last 6 weeks, and hopefully some more IGF. Going to start the HCG and continue into PCT amd start the novla the day after my last oral dose of winny. Also starting the milk thistle from now and throughout pct. Does that sound a little better?

Also, quick IGF question. IGF is good to help sustain gains during pct, right?
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Honestly, doesnt sound all that much better .. both winny and var are methylated compunds and are going to stress your liver - hence not running orals for 12 weeks straight, just cause you switch compounds doesnt make it any easier on your body (though at least you wouldnt be stacking the two) .. you really dont want to run orals without a test base either which is why i was saying you should just drop test dose down, but not out completely. the reason for this is that having the exogenous test coming in will combat the sides you get from the orals shutting down your natty test production and make it MUCH easier to maintain your gains - hcg will help a bit with the natty test prod. but IMO not enough to make it worth dropping the test, but if you dont like the bloat you get from test and are really THAT concerned with it, I would suggest getting some test prop which tends to cause less water retention and maybe add an AI to cut down on any estrogen conversion, further cutting down bloat - tho honestly you shouldnt care about it unless you're a couple weeks out from a show or something. after 2-4 weeks on JUST prop (giving the liver a bit of time to heal/recover) you could add var OR winny in for the last 4-6 weeks. The milk thistle sounds good and HCG sounds good and yes, IGF would be great for maintaining gains post cycle while minimizing shutdown - I would save it for then. You'll do whatever you decide but just to put it in simpler terms here is what I am suggesting:

Test E/C - 400 mg (wk 1-6)
Var - 50mg (wk 1-6)
IGF-1 - ?? (wk 1-4 and wk 12-18)
Test P - 50mg/day (wk 7-12)
Winny - 50mg/day (wk 11-14) or (wk 9-12)
HCG - 500iu/wk (wk 7-18)
Nolva - 40mg/day (wk 14-15) 20mg/day (wk 16-18)
Milk Thistle - 1g/day (wk 7-18)
Adex - .25mg/day (wk 7-14 or 16)

Hope this helps, would def be a killer cycle while cutting down the bloat if you run it this way .. also work on keeping sodium low and work with your diet to see how different foods affect you as this can be a major cause of the bloated look you are experiencing.
 
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