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Methyl 1 Test now available for Research purposes!!

OK, I'm in for 4 bottles....I guess my baby can buy her own din-din for a while. I'll take it out to the ranch and give you guys back a report.
 
Manbeast, I respectfully have to disagree a bit. One possible mode of action is that orals do provide a higher spike in Androgens and potentially Estogens (in the case of D-Bol) but I am more inclined to believe that the metabolites and liver resistance make Methylated compounds more effective. For instance the metabolite of EQ is estradiol, the metabolite of D-Bol is methyl-estradiol. A more potent Estrogen than plain old Estradiol. It is possible that a combination of things contribute to the more potent nature of methylated compounds, but one of the main ones is that the androgen keeps circulating until it is cleared by means oher than the liver. Making it much more available and longer acting.

EDog
 
hmmmmmm.... damn good info there. Appeals to common sense a lot better than my hair-brained idea. Oh... I was browsing BigCat's steroid profiles and found this quote in the Invalid Link Removed profile:

"Methandriol (MAD) is not really an actual steroid. It's more of a prohormone. Its only illegal because it's either esterized or methylated, both practices declaring any steroidal substance illegal by the catch clause for schedule III drugs. But basically its 5-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol, better known as 5AD. A prohormone that is legally available in pure form and a rather weak one at that."

It just made me think a bit about the legality of this stuff.

ManBeast
 
members of various boards kep comparing the methly 1-test to fina. personally i dont like fina, i do not like the way it affects my cows personality. do you think if i were to inject my cow with 100mg of t.prop/EOD along with feeding nelly 30mg of 1-test a day she would receive the same results as using t.prop 100mg/EOD with fina 150mg/EOD?
 
Yes, but much of the dosage (in mg) of EQ is lost to the long undecylenate ester weight. I've guess that 35% or more of the dosage is lost to ester weight.

So I think it's the methylation that causes the change. Does methyltest act differently than test? You bet your ass!
ManBeast said:
the average daily dose of EQ should be higher given 400mg/week is the normal, and most never go above 50mg/day (350mg/week) of d-bol. ManBeast
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It's too early to tell. But I can assure you, if you don't buy some methyl-1-test soon, you might not get the chance to experiment.
 
Methylating something doesn't make it scheduled perse...I would be very careful for those that are looking ot methylate everything in existance since I choose 1-Test because it is legal. HydroxyTestosterone should be legal too, we will probably never bring it out because it will be less potent than methyl 1-Test and the same profile (no estrogen as the main one) I would be careful with the Nandrolone derivitives cuz they are scheduled in some states and HydroxyNandrolone was a steroid Sterenabol.

EDog
 
legalgear.com said:
Manbeast, I respectfully have to disagree a bit. One possible mode of action is that orals do provide a higher spike in Androgens and potentially Estogens (in the case of D-Bol) but I am more inclined to believe that the metabolites and liver resistance make Methylated compounds more effective. For instance the metabolite of EQ is estradiol, the metabolite of D-Bol is methyl-estradiol. A more potent Estrogen than plain old Estradiol. It is possible that a combination of things contribute to the more potent nature of methylated compounds, but one of the main ones is that the androgen keeps circulating until it is cleared by means oher than the liver. Making it much more available and longer acting.

EDog
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Androgens maybe depending on the oral, but estrogen metabolites definetly in the case of D-bol, Methyltest and Drol. All these aromatize very heavily into 17-methyl E2 which is much more potent (and suppressive) than E2. THis has multiple effect (increases red, white blood cell count, blood volume (pump) water retnetion, etc..) which causes an extremely anabolic environment.

Methyl 1-test does not aromatize so nobody knows what metabolites or to what extent the exact potentcy could be but all things point to it being very potent. Comparing it to fina in terms of actual effect might not be wise since fina acts as an extreme androgen agonist but also increase hypertrophy by increasing satellite cells sensitivy to IGF-1 along with other methods that are not understaood yet (since studies are done on cows). Both will probably give solid gains without the bloat but each might do it in a different manner.
 
OK i am going to buy some can some one sugest a stack to use with this. Can you be specific in the amounts and products of each?

Thanks,
 
Molehonea said:
OK i am going to buy some can some one sugest a stack to use with this. Can you be specific in the amounts and products of each?

Thanks,
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I dought anything legal would matter much. Maybe 4-AD to keep your sex drive going
 
Molehonea said:
1,4 andro would not help? mabe about 5g 1,4 aandro and 5g of 4 AD in trans?
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Imagine adding any of those to d-bol. They wouldn't add anything.
Supposedly this is stronger then d-bol!
 
badbart said:


Imagine adding any of those to d-bol. They wouldn't add anything.
Supposedly this is stronger then d-bol!
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Of course they would do something. THe comparison of methyl 1 test to D-bol is not even close. Its 2 completely different modes of action.


The keyword there is supposedly. 1-test is supposedly 7 times more anabolic than test but which builds mass better?
 
You need to define the comparision to D-Bol in different terms. They are probably similar in potency except that D-Bol can aromatize and give you estrogen sides and perhaps estrogen induced gains, where Methyl-1-Test would have no estrogen conversion.

As for total potency, it's really hard to say which is stronger. Both are very potent compounds for sure and are used for different things. I personally would never touch D-Bol because it is SO estrogenic. I think the addition of 4-AD would be fine to impart a little estrogen in the mix.

Bobo, I know what you meant, but when you say things like "methyl-1-test isn't close to D-Bol" You may give the impression that it is a lesser steroid, which it is not. It assays at a higher anabolic/androgenic value than D-Bol from what I have been able to gather. I it guess could make the phrase more potent than D-Bol accurate, but I think assays are worthless.

EDog
 
legalgear.com
do you think this stuff will give better results than a power T-1 that is mass and strenghth gains? and do you offer a good stack at your store.
 
legalgear.com said:
You need to define the comparision to D-Bol in different terms. They are probably similar in potency except that D-Bol can aromatize and give you estrogen sides and perhaps estrogen induced gains, where Methyl-1-Test would have no estrogen conversion.

As for total potency, it's really hard to say which is stronger. Both are very potent compounds for sure and are used for different things. I personally would never touch D-Bol because it is SO estrogenic. I think the addition of 4-AD would be fine to impart a little estrogen in the mix.

Bobo, I know what you meant, but when you say things like "methyl-1-test isn't close to D-Bol" You may give the impression that it is a lesser steroid, which it is not. It assays at a higher anabolic/androgenic value than D-Bol from what I have been able to gather. I it guess could make the phrase more potent than D-Bol accurate, but I think assays are worthless.

EDog
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There are many steroids that assay higher but don't give real world results. 1-test is a perfect example as being 7 times anabolic as Test but as far as results its not even close. Your right in that assays can be useless at times.

BTW- D-bol is not THAT estrogenic. You get bloat but its not as close as methyltest or Drol which seem to aromatize at a much greater rate. Its also another reason they were used for anemia patients. Combined with fina I've never had a more explosive stack to start with (of course test was ran the whole way through). Strengh and pump from D-bol alone in the first 2 weeks is impressive.

I still think its a lesser steroid in terms of overall gains due to D-bol's potency of metabolites not to mention the increase in half life of estrogen related metabolites. THe comparison of the two is ridiculous to begin with because the mechanism in which both act are virtually opposite. You could argue potency but its really not worth it unless your compariing it to 1-test or maybe fina just because of the typoe of gains (solid maintainable gains). From the looks of it you will get the the same type of effects as 1-test just increased many times over.

For a cutting cycle or just a clean type bulking cycle it would be great as it would mimc fina in terms of gains (probably not stregnth though).


Its all specualtion untiul we get some feedback from multiple sources.
 
badbart said:
Also 1-Test seems to make me sick after about a week and a half or two weeks. What supps would be good to boost my immune system. This is what I was thinking.

Echinacea
Vit-C

My cycles might be very short if 1-Test makes me ill. I'm, talking a week to two weeks then two to four weeks off then repeat.
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I cannot speak to 1-Test, but when it comes to regular "sickness," I would add these to Echinacea and vitamin C:

Garlic
L-Glutamine
 
okay i'll admit i'm a newbie into the scientific area of all this. if this product is 1test, why are some going to stack it with 4ad and 1test or ohtest? wouldn't 4ad be all that you need to stack it with to stay awake and keep the balls rotating and working?

btw i did order 2 bottles after listening to all the guru's hype this stuff. don't let me down guys :)
 
ok. bite my head off.

looking for extremely lean gains.
thinking 40mgs methyl-1test ALONE 4 weeks, followed by nolva and I'd id like to run clen then as well (2wks)

I did just dig up a bottle of 1,4 diol (oral) perhaps I can throw that in as well?

Q1- do I need 4ad, if so can i run it oral or should i run a dermal.
Q2- Somebody talk more on milk thistle and NAC. I'll get them if i need them for my liver but im running a max of 4 weeks, max dose of 40mgs

Q3- Nolva is good for post cycle, yes, and can I run l-clen concurrently with Nolva (Taurine of course)

Ok. Geniuses help me out. I'm ordering tommorow.

JWest
 
JWest0926 said:
ok. bite my head off.

looking for extremely lean gains.
thinking 40mgs methyl-1test ALONE 4 weeks, followed by nolva and I'd id like to run clen then as well (2wks)

I did just dig up a bottle of 1,4 diol (oral) perhaps I can throw that in as well?

Q1- do I need 4ad, if so can i run it oral or should i run a dermal.
Q2- Somebody talk more on milk thistle and NAC. I'll get them if i need them for my liver but im running a max of 4 weeks, max dose of 40mgs

Q3- Nolva is good for post cycle, yes, and can I run l-clen concurrently with Nolva (Taurine of course)

Ok. Geniuses help me out. I'm ordering tommorow.

JWest
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Sounds good! Order an extra liver too :rolleyes:
 
Why the **** are you going to take 40mg a day. Obviously you are inexperienced and havent done your research very well cause your asking basic questions that have been answered on many a forum in many a thread already. You my friend may be the reason PH's are getting banned. I hope I dont read about you in the paper bro. 20mgs are having very hard effects(breathing, sweats, Blood pressure) compared to regular PHs on many people. At 40mgs a day Liver trouble is very possible with a unevaluated drug as this is.
Brighten up bro, this aint a magic pill. This **** is dangerous if used improperly. Unless you are a seasoned vet you definitly need to reevaluate your current plan. And from the questions you are not a seasoned vet.

Live longer, Lighten the dose!:saw:

You asked for a geniuses help, you got it.
good luck,
db
 
db682 where have people stated that? i read most all of this thread and didn't see any actual results/side affects from people? one person said that 30-40mg would give great results. one guy on the legalgear page for reviews said that 10mg he got great results. i hvaen't seen anyone saying they had bad side affects from 40mg. don't get me wrong, i plan on doing 20mg or so and see how i react, but i'm just curous where you got that info?
 
Search other boards, do more research. Another bro is having some major breathing issues. He's had to drop from 20 to 10 mg's. What we're saying is this is an uncontrolled substance. Start with a lower number wait a few days, you want to be an explorer, fine. Do you want to be a live explorer? Do you get it?
 
Check the cycles thread on this board or do a search under methyl.

Do the same at BB.com forums, I believe Avants has some and Im sure you can find other boards as well.

"You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink"

db
 
well i'll start with 10mg then, thx for the info guys! this will take affect in just a few days? t1pro and 1ad take at least 1.5 weeks to kick in. i thought this had a great absorbtion rate, but i didn't know it was faster also? is that correct?
 
West, you pussy. Sorry I never got back to you - you did not leave your number last time you called call me again and we'll shoot the ****. I am currently on the methyl-1-test from legalgear.com; 20 mg ED. The **** is working unreal - 8 pounds the first week - I am up to 192 pounds. The gains for the most part are lean mass and the gains are analagous, from what I have heard, to tren.
-AT
 
JWest0926 said:
ok. bite my head off.

looking for extremely lean gains.
thinking 40mgs methyl-1test ALONE 4 weeks, followed by nolva and I'd id like to run clen then as well (2wks)

I did just dig up a bottle of 1,4 diol (oral) perhaps I can throw that in as well?

Q1- do I need 4ad, if so can i run it oral or should i run a dermal.
Q2- Somebody talk more on milk thistle and NAC. I'll get them if i need them for my liver but im running a max of 4 weeks, max dose of 40mgs

Q3- Nolva is good for post cycle, yes, and can I run l-clen concurrently with Nolva (Taurine of course)

Ok. Geniuses help me out. I'm ordering tommorow.

JWest
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Do not take over 20 mg ED. The gains are coming almost too fast right now for me and I am taking 20 mg ED. Yes, I am somewhat freakish but I think 40 is overkill BIG TIME, espeically if you're trying to stay lean.
-AT
 
Ok, it looks like a day late and a dollar short but i had my dosing screwed up.

Hate me now.

I meant 2 pills/day. In my mind i was thinking they were 20 mg tabs.
So I meant 20 mgs/day. I've used multiple dermal products, and I always err on the safe side. In fact I often think i detrimentally shut down my test levels, and at the same time don't dermal enough PH's which holds back my gains.

20 mgs/day. Hate me now.

Now, as I recognize there are many more intelligent people than myself here, perhaps someone could offer input as to my questions.

looking for extremely lean gains.
thinking 20mgs methyl-1test ALONE 4 weeks, followed by nolva and I'd id like to run clen then as well (2wks)

I did just dig up a bottle of 1,4 diol (oral) perhaps I can throw that in as well?

Q1- do I need 4ad, if so can i run it oral or should i run a dermal.
Q2- Somebody talk more on milk thistle and NAC. I'll get them if i need them for my liver but im running a max of 4 weeks, max dose of 40mgs

Q3- Nolva is good for post cycle, yes, and can I run l-clen concurrently with Nolva (Taurine of course)

Ok. Geniuses help me out. I'm ordering tommorow.

JWest
 
Molehonea said:
Have you noticed any gains or sides?
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Bro, you need to calmn down and stop asking redundant questions. If you haven't noticed, JWest hasn't even started the cycle yet.
 
Be careful of Tight or products like it. High doses of Synephrine and Caffeine can raise blood pressure! Make sure you use Hawthorn Berry and CoQ10 to combat sides!

EDog
 
I pointed it out because Tight is a pretty ugly mix IMHO that can do damage if not used properly. There appears to be ALOT of Synephrine and Caffeine in Tight and the caps look little and unassuming! I want people to be safe when taking this stuff. Especially when stacking it!

EDog
 
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