Could be reverse psychology, after reading about it and stating that it should be illegal makes me want to get it all the more. Especially if it is comparable to Tren.
That would make sense, but he is saying it is either WEAK and VERY TOXIC or SRONG and VERY TOXIC, but he is assuming it is just an inferior (WRT results) methyl that is much more toxic than most others (dbol, pheraplex, anadrol, winny, superdrol, etc.). He isn't really implying it is a hardcore compound as far as results are concerned in as much as he is saying it is just way too toxic to consume at any dose. So if he is doing this to increase sales he is going about it all wrong if you read the posts I am referring to.
I'll post them just so you can see what I am talking about:
posted by "TherachemBK"
I don't usually post anywhere anymore and I am sure Pat is not exactly going to welcome me with open arms here but I do want to say I had NOTHING to do with this compound other than I discussed it with Author on the telephone and advised him (strongly) not to do it.
There is no listing for "methoxytrenbolone" in VIDA so I have no clue where Author gets his figures from. There is a listing on page 287 of VIDA for 17b-methoxymethyloxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one and it is 2000X more androgenic and anabolic (orally) than 17a-methyl-testosterone.
This is not the same compound as what ALRI is proposing to sell.
I have no clue how effective this will be (the ALRI compound) but my thoughts, as a "hobbyist chemist" are that it will be both potent and VERY toxic or it will be weak and VERY toxic.
Originally, I was working on a 17b-methoxy-1-testosterone and I gave up on it (we made a sampe of 25g last June) because it made people really sick at doses as low as 20mg per day.
And it was less effective (clincially/subjectively) 'pound per pound' than the old M1T. That and I was unsure if it would be legal (more on this in a moment) as it seemed to be just a "methyl ester" of 1-testosterone which of course, is a C-III. BTW - the product was never brought in stateside, it was tested "out of country" just for this reason - I was really unsure if the DEA would view this as an ester of trenbolone or not and we did not want to risk it - and seeing how we had a lot of overseas friends where the laws are not so insane, we (well, I) decided not to bring it in...just in case. Better to be safe than sorry.
Author and I debated the merits and potential advantages and disadvantages of adding a methoxy to a molecule at C-17 perhaps 3-4 times over maybe 6 hours of telephone calls (we did not discuss the legality though). After my experience with the 1-ene version my opinion (and it is just that, my opinion) is that the methoxy's are just going to be "dirty versions of the illegal methyls that work not nearly as well". I could be wrong. In fact, I do not know for sure. I do hope ALRI and Author have done some testing on this product because at the suggested 4.5mg per day (and there is zero reason to break it up 3X per day, I think PA will concur with me on this) it might be VERY, VERY stressful to the body's ability to metabolize things. Or it might not, it might be just looked at as another ester in which case, it won't be that toxic at all but it would have some legal issues.
I think (and PA can verify as he knows a lot more about chemistry than I do) that this is essentially a "methyl ester" if my chemistry is right (and it might not be). So even though Author makes some bizarre claims about 17b hydroxyl and a progestenic effect (I believe this is incorrect - the 17b hydroxyl is really needed for the molecule to bind to the androgen receptor - as well as the C3 keto group) it's going to end up as a as a C17b-hydroxyl molecule after the 17HBSD enzyme does "what it does". Even though VIDA lists it as 2000X more potent than 17a-MT, VIDA also lists the undecanoate ester of trenbolone as 500X more potent than 17a-MT (as with the acetoxy and carbobenzoxyate esters too).
I do hope Author sees this post (and I will e-mail it to him to make sure) and has a university chemist and Rick Collins review his proposed new compound because I do not want to see my friend Author end up in prison for the manufacture and distribution of a C-III anabolic steroid and I really think that the methoxy's fall into this category. It's an ester of trenbolone in my book.
I bet it will also be viewed that way by the DEA and FDA. I hope I am wrong and PA can feel free to correct me if I am but I am hoping to stop a real disaster before it begins.
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"BTW...this methoxytrenbolone compound is NOT in Halodrol-50. Not even close. I am sure PA can and will verify that when he runs a few ground up H-50's in acetonitrile and "HPLC's" them.
(and I am sure he will eventually). I am now 100% convinced the methoxytrenbolone, as I understand the molecule to be, is just the methyl ester of trenbolone and thus, a C-III and illegal.
If it is something other than this, then all bets are off as to whether it is legal or not."
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So he's saying it is either weak or strong, but very toxic either way, and that he DOESN"T KNOW what it is but is PRETTY SURE it is illegal and "serious" repercussions will be felt. He also claims he had nothing to do with the production of the chem. This is why I made my original post.
Sorry if this is straying too far off the original topic, I just thought it should be addressed before we get into something we maybe should not.