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Matt's Superdrol Log - The quest for a perfect cycle

pistonpump said:
you look fuller esp in the arms. Sorry to say but you will most likely lose the "all day pump effect". Couple of questions, who took the pics? you didnt think to clean your room first? lol If i had to critique your build i would say your chest needs work, great shoulders in the back double bi pose. Much props tho for posting pics.
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LOL. I took em myself with the camera timer. Actually, I really didnt get an "all day pump" from the SD...just really good pumps when I worked out. Thanks for the critiques.

My experience with SD seems to differ greatly from a lot of other peoples' reviews. I didnt notice brute strength but I did notice muscular endurance so that I could do more sets without dropping weight. Also, I had almost zero sides. Dosage timing seemed to make no difference. when I took prostanozol, it seemed to pump me up for a good amount of time after I took the dose but this was not the case with SD.
 
Ziricote said:
What kind of size in your arms and legs did you have at the start and at the end of the cycle?
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I didnt take any measurements. I just go off what I see in the mirror. Arms and legs definitely grew a lot!
 
Congrats on what seems to be a very successful cycle.

ManBeast
 
My gains were best during week 2. At the end of week 3, I could tell that sides were about to rear their ugly head so I stopped before they had a chance. I figure that a 3 week cycle will be much easier to recover from plus it is my first SD cycle so it is somewhat of an experiment. If I run SD again, I will start at 20mg and probably push it longer than 3 weeks.
 
PCT Day 3

My libido is already insane and I am already feeling completely recovered. I know I am not completely recovered but my point is, I'm feeling great--no post cycle blues or anything like that. Cardio seems to be improving and lethargy is gone.

I know some people say that Cissus/Powerfull take a while to kick in but they start working quick for me. My sleep has been excellent and I'm amped to go knock out a Chest/Back workout.

I am going to weigh in and judging by the pics, I was holding some waterweight so I am expecting weight to go down somewhat. mbAet (from restore/retain) hardens me up.

I am going to start doing 5-10 mins of Low Intensity cardio after my workouts again...this is the upper limit of BF I ever want to have. In addition, I am going to start playing sports and whatnot in my free time so this should help with fat gain.
 
Good job

Your arms/shoulders/chest look quite a bit bigger! Did you happen to check body fat % after? Looks like you gained alittle weight around your stomach, maybe some of the water weight?

btw how was your diet on superdrol, maybe I missed it but how many calories were you taking in?
 
MattHines said:
post cycle therapy Day 3

My libido is already insane and I am already feeling completely recovered. I know I am not completely recovered but my point is, I'm feeling great--no post cycle blues or anything like that. Cardio seems to be improving and lethargy is gone.
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How was your libido on cycle? If it was good then it could be superdrol is still having an effect. I know it has a life of about 8 hours or so but I believe that effects still linger for a few days afterwards, JMO.
 
Only a couple of questions:

I didnt see where you had liver protectants, unless cycle support has more than celery/hawthorn? Did you have any additional for liver only?

Also, what made you think that the sides were about to get worse? Increased BP...or a lowering of libido?

Finally, when i did my m1t cycle(seems like years ago..lol) i only lifted heavy, strickly for strength, in the 4-5 rep ranges...strength was amazing; size was mediocre(8-9lbs@best)...so were u just shooting for hyper/size or was strength something you were looking for also?

Your cycle looks good. This may be one of the top 5-6 logs i've read and i've read them for 2-3 years now. Everything is very thorough.....


EDIT---One other note: could you, if you havent, give an example of dosing times of your superdrol...
 
Lookin much thicker bro. Losing the all-day pump is depressing... Upon doing any cycle, my bench usually increases by 50%, then goes back down to 40%, which is depressing... no matter what kind of PCT I run or diet I follow. You might've gained some fat, but I found that even if superdrol is called "dry", it definitely made me retain some sub-q water. If it was fat, nothing that a week of low/medium dose DNP won't fix! hahaha
 
San Quinn said:
Good job

Your arms/shoulders/chest look quite a bit bigger! Did you happen to check body fat % after? Looks like you gained alittle weight around your stomach, maybe some of the water weight?

btw how was your diet on superdrol, maybe I missed it but how many calories were you taking in?
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I didnt check bodyfat but I felt like I put on some fat as my midsection was real bloated. I am on day 4 of PCT and it seems like Ive shed the waterweight. My abdominal area looks much better and all around, my physique is better than it was on cycle.

As for diet, I think the original post covered it. I dont count cals but I eat ALOT. A sample meal is 1 can of Tuna + 1 small chicken breast + 1 full can of green beans + Almonds. I eat 6-7 meals per day.
 
pistonpump said:
How was your libido on cycle? If it was good then it could be superdrol is still having an effect. I know it has a life of about 8 hours or so but I believe that effects still linger for a few days afterwards, JMO.
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Libido was fine on cycle, maybe even up if anything. Now that I am off, my libido is insane. I think the Powerfull is kicking in. I had sex twice last night.
 
hardknock said:
Only a couple of questions:

I didnt see where you had liver protectants, unless cycle support has more than celery/hawthorn? Did you have any additional for liver only?

Also, what made you think that the sides were about to get worse? Increased BP...or a lowering of libido?

Finally, when i did my m1t cycle(seems like years ago..lol) i only lifted heavy, strickly for strength, in the 4-5 rep ranges...strength was amazing; size was mediocre(8-9lbs@best)...so were u just shooting for hyper/size or was strength something you were looking for also?

Your cycle looks good. This may be one of the top 5-6 logs i've read and i've read them for 2-3 years now. Everything is very thorough.....


EDIT---One other note: could you, if you havent, give an example of dosing times of your superdrol...
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Heres what Cycle Support has--
Red Yeast Rice 1200 mg
Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000 mg
NAC 1200 mg
Hawthorn Berry 1000 mg
Saw Palmetto 300 mg
Policosonol 20 mg
Celery Seed Extract 150 mg
Nettle Root 250 mg
Idebenone 100 mg

As for my feeling that sides were coming, I just had the feeling like my body was being taxed...started to get rundown. I felt fine but I know if I would have pushed it farther, there probably would have been negative consequences.

I am not a powerlifter...I was looking for shear size. Strength was not so prominent on SD as people led me to believe. I had more muscular endurance so that I could do more volume without losing strength but no explosive strength gains.

As for dosing, on days that I took 20mg, first dose was with breakfast, second dose was 8-10 hours later with an evening meal.
 
NYhomeboy said:
Lookin much thicker bro. Losing the all-day pump is depressing... Upon doing any cycle, my bench usually increases by 50%, then goes back down to 40%, which is depressing... no matter what kind of post cycle therapy I run or diet I follow. You might've gained some fat, but I found that even if superdrol is called "dry", it definitely made me retain some sub-q water. If it was fat, nothing that a week of low/medium dose DNP won't fix! hahaha
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Thanks man. I really didnt get explosive strength like people said I would on SD or an all day pump. I got steady increases in strength and the biggest change I noticed was my ability to increase the volume without dropping weight. More of strength endurance. As for the fatgain in the midsection, alot of it had to be water cause I'm looking much more defined and better all around now.
 
post cycle therapy Day 4
Just wanted to update you guys...I weighed in yesterday and hit chest/back. I weighed in at 191! My body composition looks much better than it did on cycle. I was definitely holding waterweight, especially in the midsection.

The Cissus/Powerfull made my workout/pumps aweome!! Intensity was great and 3 caps of Cissus + 3 caps of Powerfull preworkout will make you train like your on cycle.

As for my original plans of continuing to gain through PCT, they are holding up so far. I am going to continue eating the same amount but I am starting to do postworkout LI cardio (did 6 mins on bike yest.). I am hoping to stay around 190 but slowly lose some fat.

EDIT: On another note, I have had a few breakouts on my face. Theres no telling what it is thats causing it but its most likely just the huge change in hormones. I'm hoping this will go away soon.
 
Usually I keep gaining strength the first week of PCT on SD since it stays in your system for a few days after you stop dosing.
 
San Quinn said:
Looks like your still doing pretty good!

You should take some pictures after you finish post cycle therapy.
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I plan on it. Then I will continue with another log to test out Rebound Reloaded! After that, I will probably do a test cycle and log that as well.
 
Thanks for the info on the cycle support...


I noticed in the beginning where you typed you were going to do 4 weeks of nolva/restore THEN start the bridging with cissus/crea/powerfull....

Is that what you did? Im asking because i thought i read on page 2 where you are basically running the PCT and postPCT at the same time?
 
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MattHines said:
As for dosing, on days that I took 20mg, first dose was with breakfast, second dose was 8-10 hours later with an evening meal.
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I wake up @ 5am and am lifting @ 6am, what do you think the best times to take my dosages of methyl-drol or does it matter?

Thanks
 
hardknock said:
Thanks for the info on the cycle support...


I noticed in the beginning where you typed you were going to do 4 weeks of nolva/restore THEN start the bridging with cissus/crea/powerfull....

Is that what you did? Im asking because i thought i read on page 2 where you are basically running the post cycle therapy and postPCT at the same time?
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I'm running Cissus/Powerfull/Creatine and REstore/Nolva all at the same time.
 
bubbaw said:
I wake up @ 5am and am lifting @ 6am, what do you think the best times to take my dosages of methyl-drol or does it matter?

Thanks
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Take 1 with your preworkout meal and one 8-10 hours later
 
Week 1 of PCT is done!

1 Week Out
I weighed in Friday at 189. I expected to lose some waterweight because I could tell that I was pretty bloated at the end of the cycle, plus the cortisol supressor in Restore is helping me stay hard. My physique looks much better now than it did on cycle.

Heres some observations:
- Less Water
- Acne - I got a breakout right at the start of PCT but it is pretty much gone now. I seem to get acne with changes in hormone levels but once they remain constant, it subsides.
- Libido has been up the whole time
- Awesome Pumps/Intensity in the gym because of Cissus/Powerfull
- Lethargy has gotten much better

I am going to be starting a new training program this week as well. I am going to do a 2-day Push/Pull split. Heres the plan:
Mon - Push
Tues - Pull
Wed - Off
Thurs - Push
Fri - Pull
Sat - Off
Sun - Off

I think it will help me stay leaner by going into the gym 4 times plus I feel like it will be good to hit each muscle group twice per week.
 
PCT Day 9

I weighed in yesterday at 192...thats 2 pounds up from the end of cycle. I put on 3 pounds since last weigh in and I think this is because of waterweight as I am looking more bloated again.

Something in the Nolva/Cissus/Powerfull/Kre-Alkalyn combo is making me retain water. I know the mBAet from Restore should be hardening me up but I think the powerfull and kre-alkalyn are counteracting it. Either way, I'm definitely not losing any gains.
 
Pretty damn good. As was earlier stated, I didnt get the explosive strength from SD where I could do insane weight...instead it was more of strength endurance so that I could do a lot more volume without burning out. I can no longer do as much volume but I can lift almost the same amount of weight.

Perhaps it is estrogen but I usually get bloated on a Powerfull/Cissus/Creatine stack. I know the mBAet from Restore should be hardening me up but I think it is lower dosed than retain and the other products are counteracting it. Nolva never seems to help my physique either.
 
MattHines said:
Pretty damn good. As was earlier stated, I didnt get the explosive strength from superdrol where I could do insane weight...instead it was more of strength endurance so that I could do a lot more volume without burning out. I can no longer do as much volume but I can lift almost the same amount of weight.

Perhaps it is estrogen but I usually get bloated on a Powerfull/Cissus/Creatine stack. I know the mBAet from Restore should be hardening me up but I think it is lower dosed than retain and the other products are counteracting it. Nolva never seems to help my physique either.
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You won't see big strength gains on superdrol unless you actually lift for strength and have been doing it for some time. Since I pl, I saw big gains in strength from my first go around with superdrol. I kept all of it afterwards even while dropping about 8 pounds in weight over the summer. I just started my second go around and already went from 182 to 188.5 in the first week. And for an example of strength increase, I went from 290 on the rack press to hitting 305 today and that was after barely missing 315 (Hit half way but couldn't lock out). I enjoyed your log and it seems you got a lot out of SD and made great gains. I find that SD loves carbs though and the more you eat, the more you can get out of it. I think if you try again, really try to pack in the carbs. My typical meal is 6-7 ozs cooked chicken, 2 cups brown rice, some olive oil and soy sauce. I also throw in a cup of milk here and there. 6-7 times a day and your golden.
 
Thanks for the advice and props!

Yea I agree--carbs are great on superdrol. High protein is good as well. I ate pretty high carbs and so far, I'm happy with the results--I am up 14 pounds from where I was a month ago and I'm at about the same BF. The only thing is, I felt some fat/water gain even with my clean diet. I feel like if I ate any more calories above what i was eating that it would have gone to fat.
 
Do you guys think Clomid or Nolva would be a better addition to my post cycle therapy?
I know everyone goes with Nolva, but why?

sorry edit: I'm doing a Superdrol clone.
 
bubbaw said:
Do you guys think Clomid or Nolva would be a better addition to my post cycle therapy?
I know everyone goes with Nolva, but why?

sorry edit: I'm doing a Superdrol clone.
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more effective mg for mg so you get more for your money really. I dont know facts on why its better but i just use it lol.
 
pistonpump said:
more effective mg for mg so you get more for your money really. I dont know facts on why its better but i just use it lol.
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Haha........thanks Piston.
I read chemical summaries and feel like I'm trying to read it in French or something. Its a slow process, for me to ...........process what there saying.~lol
 
Also, a lot of people do not seem to suffer from the dreaded "clomid made me cry like a little b*tch" syndrome while using nolva.

ManBeast
 
Very solid cycle bro. Reminds me of my first cycle of SD. Went to sleep one day as a ***** and woke up the next day as a ****in beast. With your PCT you will surely continue to make gains through out PCT. If my PCT is in check and I got all the goodies for it I always love the little extra bump it gives me after my cycle.
 
swangswang said:
Very solid cycle bro. Reminds me of my first cycle of superdrol. Went to sleep one day as a ***** and woke up the next day as a ****in beast. With your post cycle therapy you will surely continue to make gains through out PCT. If my PCT is in check and I got all the goodies for it I always love the little extra bump it gives me after my cycle.
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Yea...I'm loving it.

Powerfull/Cissus seems to be very anabolic on its own so it is definitely working. The intensity it gives me in the gym makes me feel like I'm on juice.

Anyway, things are going great. I weighed in yesterday at 190 so weight is fluctuating a couple pounds from day to day but as long as I stay around my ending weight--190, then I'm happy.

Also, I gotta say, I'm LOVING the Push/Pull split. This is the first time I've tried this training split.
 
Yeah man. I am using powerfull right now at 9 to 10 caps per day. After I take my first dose in the morning I get the best feeling. The sleep in pheonomenal and the sex is even better. I honestly havent felt that much difference in the gym but it is helping me put on a few pounds.
 
swangswang said:
Yeah man. I am using powerfull right now at 9 to 10 caps per day. After I take my first dose in the morning I get the best feeling. The sleep in pheonomenal and the sex is even better. I honestly havent felt that much difference in the gym but it is helping me put on a few pounds.
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Try experimenting with preworkout dosages. Cissus makes a huge difference. Try taking 4 caps Cissus + 4 caps Powerfull 45 mins before your workout.

At that dosage, I get pumps so extreme that I can hardly workout after doing a couple sets. Its pretty insane.

I have experimented around and 3 caps Pfull + 3 caps cissus seems to be sweetspot for a preworkout dose for me.
 
Yeah I will try that. Its just hard for me to take it pre work out because I never have an empty stomach before I work out due to a can of tuna or a pre work out shake. I will try to clear some room for the powerfull
 
swangswang said:
Yeah I will try that. Its just hard for me to take it pre work out because I never have an empty stomach before I work out due to a can of tuna or a pre work out shake. I will try to clear some room for the powerfull
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Same here!

I finish my preworkout meal about 90-120 minutes before my workout and then take a preworkout shake 45 mins preworkout. I take the dose with my shake.

I personally dont feel like there will be a much of a difference in absorption. Take on an empty stomach is more of a guideline than a rule IMO.
 
MattHines said:
Same here!

I finish my preworkout meal about 90-120 minutes before my workout and then take a preworkout shake 45 mins preworkout. I take the dose with my shake.

I personally dont feel like there will be a much of a difference in absorption. Take on an empty stomach is more of a guideline than a rule IMO.
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Yeah, I feel you man I will deffinately start doing that

Whenver I do take my dose on acompletely empty stomach I can start feeling the effects within 15 minutes I love it.

What are your goals man I saw you pics pretty impressive cycle
 
Thanks. My goal is to be big and lean. I dont plan on ever competing.

I think anything under 200 pounds is small for my height. Id like to be a lean 220.

Ive really only had my diet on lockdown for 6 months and since then, Ive made better gains then the whole prior 3-4 years I had been lifting. I really feel like I cheated myself by not having diet in check.

Either way, right now I feel more cut then I did on cycle and my weight is the same. Definitely lost some bloat. I plan on finishing up this awesome PCT and then transitioning into a Rebound Reloaded cycle. Ive been wanting to try it out for a while now.

In a couple months (December), I plan on trying my first injectible cycle. 12 weeks at 600mg Test E/week. I hope to hit 220 or close to it by the end of that cycle. I have incorporated postworkout low intensity cardio back into my workouts and I LOVE IT. Its great for recomp effects while adding lean mass. I plan to keep up with it and hopefully put nothing but lean mass on as my bodyfat in those pics is in the upper-threshold of what I ever want it to be.
 
Yeah Man sounds exactly what I am doing. I was always skinny so I was told eat big to get big. So I did that with absolutely no boundaries taking in everything I could. My first cycle put me at 175 at 8% body fat. I looked jacked. Now I am up to 195 at 12% body fat. I never did cardio before but I am now incorporating it into my work outs. I am 6,1 and have tons of room on my body for muscle so for now I have no limit to how much I want to gain until I feel I am reaching genetic potential. For now on I am going to clean bulk and if I absolutely must never go over 14% body fat. I honestly hope one day I can compete. Its my little secret that I would never tell any one haha
 
Nice man. I'm a little different. I used to be a bit overweight. Be happy that you can eat whatever and not gain fat...thats a gift. I eat tuna, chicken, almonds, eggs and veggies all day and Ive never been truly "ripped" in my whole life.

As far as competing goes, I don't have flawless genetics so I couldnt really hope to compete with those that do. I also feel like spending the time to get down to 6% BF would be a waste unless I was about 220-250 lean. That time could be much better spent clean bulking until im a big mofo.

I never had success with straight out cuts or bulks. Bulks made me put on wayy too much fat and cuts made me lose way too much muscle. Then again, I never had diet perfected.

195 @ 12% is pretty good man. Good luck to ya.

Do you have any injectible experience?
 
I know it's a little bit of a derail, but did the Grub-On work?

It seems like an interesting product. I'd definatley give it a try if it's not snake oil.
 
Nah Man I had boughten some deca a while ago and was going to stack with some test then throw in some winny to lean me out but kind of got freaked out so I just sold the deca to a friend and made a **** load off of him :toofunny: After that I decided to try to stear clear of them. Hopefully I wont have too many more cycles in my future.
 
Does anyone know anything about the superdrol look alike S-drol? supposed to be same stuff but does anyone know off hand if its just as good?
 
wannaBstud said:
Does anyone know anything about the superdrol look alike S-drol? supposed to be same stuff but does anyone know off hand if its just as good?
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I have seen it but I doubt if many people have used it to know its effectiveness. check out methyl drol by SNS, its a good superdrol clone. SNS is a Good, Well trusted company. And I think its cheaper than S Drol if i remember correctly
 
swangswang said:
I have seen it but I doubt if many people have used it to know its effectiveness. check out methyl drol by SNS, its a good superdrol clone. SNS is a Good, Well trusted company. And I think its cheaper than S Drol if i remember correctly
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thanks. yes you are right, it is cheaper, only 24$ at DPSnutrition for 90 caps. Im about to start my first run with phera plex. I might get some superdrol or a clone to put on the shelf for later if i like the PP.
 
wannaBstud said:
thanks. yes you are right, it is cheaper, only 24$ at DPSnutrition for 90 caps. Im about to start my first run with phera plex. I might get some superdrol or a clone to put on the shelf for later if i like the PP.
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These are both very strong substances man. if you have never run either of them before I would deffinately tell you to try each on their own before you would ever stack them. If you are looking for almost instant growth try SD for 3-4 weeks, If run properly you could easily gain 10+ lbs. If you want extreme gains with less definition try PP first. PP came on slow for me but after the first week and a half i gained nearly a pound every day but I seemed to blaot a bit on it. Happy Gaining Bro
 
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