Newth
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Knowing how your body reacts to think is key.
Could be as simple as the extra nutrients I your blood are diluting it.
I'm sure you work it out soon.
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Knowing how your body reacts to think is key.
Could be as simple as the extra nutrients I your blood are diluting it.
I'm sure you work it out soon.
Matthersby
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It’s not gonna touch oxy at all. However, if you’ve been off opiates for 6 months, and good dose of solid maeng da 10grams at least, will make you super itchy and talkative, and body high. But nothing that strong.
It IS addictive but you would need to be pretty careless like I was for a long period..
bigbeaph
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Of course you know yourself better than any advice can help. But the one thing I'd think that's going to set kratom wd's apart from other ailments that make you feel like garbage is the restlessness. If you've got crawling skin and cant lay still at all I'd bet that's your kratom talking.
Matthersby
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Ya you can walk into most smoke shops and buy it, also online. But consider that it must be respected, after a month of daily use back in 2017, I have not been able to go a day without at least 50 grams of it. Just a caution friend.
Matthersby
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We shall see tonight. Luckily I have thousands of mg’s of gabapentin on hand. So it may just be a skin crawling but half-sleep night. I’m bringing this 500cap jar back to my guy and demanding another brand though. Then I’ll know if it’s just NPP flu or something else.
Brienn8989
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Just recently started ordering from a new guy online. A **** ton of different kinds, and dirt cheap. Rotating a new strain every day has worked wonders for me over the years. If you need a suggestion just holler at me, I’ve had great luck with kratom vendors.
christ83189
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The problem with doing that is once you get passed a certain dosage is your so sick you cant function
Matthersby
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It was the brand. Isolated incident. I kid you not, I took 20 grams 7 times overall from morning to bedtime and I continued getting sicker and more cold sweats. That’s 280 caps in one day. Ya, I’m gonna guess it was a bunk batch or someone swapped it with some kava or dirt. I brought the entire 500cap jug to my guy and he happily gave me a brand I know and trust. One hour after taking 15 grams and chills and sweats and leg aches are all but gone.
Trust me bros, after this incident, I will aggressively taper starting now. I can’t do this. I’ve conquered some life destroying addictions yet I let this shyt own my ass. I’m over it, my girlfriend is pretty much over it too. Time to get serious about my health(ya I know, steroids and slin, blah blah)
This is money I could be using for so much more important things and I’m sick and tired of being a slave to it...
Trust me bros, after this incident, I will aggressively taper starting now. I can’t do this. I’ve conquered some life destroying addictions yet I let this shyt own my ass. I’m over it, my girlfriend is pretty much over it too. Time to get serious about my health(ya I know, steroids and slin, blah blah)
This is money I could be using for so much more important things and I’m sick and tired of being a slave to it...
Matthersby
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Always feel free to challenge me and question me, brother. I have taken in some great criticism on here and I know it comes from a good place. It’s time I start owning this and taking steps to be rid of it.
Hyde
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I understand 100%, but 1g/day is just a very aggressive example - the point is to decrease it over time at a manageable interval, not make yourself ill. But there should be a plan and intention, however slow.
I’m not your mother, just a buddy reminding you of your own words. This experience highlights why you said them in the first place. Glad you are feeling better man.
christ83189
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Yeah thats truth right there. The only way i could do it was i patient rehab. Didnt have the self control to taper and couldnt work and stuff through the withdrawals. Literally even couldnt just take time off of work either. Had to lock myself away with people to convince me why i was doing it again so i wouldnt leave
Matthersby
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I’ve been there and I don’t want to again. I can easily monitor this week my use, and on a strict schedule reduce by a cap or two daily. I’ve seen it and I’ve even done it, I know if I just wake up and get it together I can do this...
Matthersby
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I’m not your mother, just a buddy reminding you of your own words. This experience highlights why you said them in the first place. Glad you are feeling better man.[/QUOTE]
No you’re not, but you’re a good dude, and you’ve spent time giving advice to guys you don’t even know. So I’m saying thanks for the wake up and reminder, because not only do I need it, I value it a lot.
No you’re not, but you’re a good dude, and you’ve spent time giving advice to guys you don’t even know. So I’m saying thanks for the wake up and reminder, because not only do I need it, I value it a lot.
jrock645
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This has been a really interesting and helpful thread for me. For one seeing what you eat to hit all these calories has given me some ideas, but the sheer willpower is inspiring! I managed to cram 5300 calories down yesterday. Not sure i wouldve been as motivated before this thread.
bigbeaph
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Glad your feeling better. Just a word bc I just went through something similar getting off another substance...I couldn't do it until I made getting clean a priority over my cycle. I lost some gains I should have had but it was worth it. So if you feel like crap here and there bc you are cutting back, and cant eat or hit the gym quite as hard. Just remember in a short time, when your done with kratom, itll be worth it.
swimfan65
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No you’re not, but you’re a good dude, and you’ve spent time giving advice to guys you don’t even know. So I’m saying thanks for the wake up and reminder, because not only do I need it, I value it a lot.[/QUOTE]
Stay strong brother...
RickyBlobby
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I've successfully tapered from 6.5 grams 3x a day to 4 grams 3x a day. Going down roughly 10% per week. I tried to do it more aggressively than that and WD's would kick in. I have zero withdrawals doing it like this (10% decrease in dose per week.)
THOR 70
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Just watched Bell’s documentary on Netflix called “Leaf of faith” about kratom. It seems like it can help people that want to be off opioids, but clearly has potential for abuse. Maybe there is a middle ground? Or are the people saying it saved them, just addicted?
I would love to hear users opinion on it
I would love to hear users opinion on it
RickyBlobby
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It beats being addicted to painkillers. Especially cost wise paying street prices. And it really knocks out WD's. But if you have an addictive personality the potential for addiction is certainly a threat IMO.
bigbeaph
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1. Absolutely saved me from heavy opiate addiction
2. Manages my pain BETTER than any RX did. Several spinal fusions so I'll be a user for possibly life.
3. Personally - used to need it constantly. But no longer need it due to addiction. Only use it when in pain...1-3 times a day usually but can take days off without issue. Dont know what happened but its absolutely perfect for me.
In 1 month I'll be on kratom for 6 years now. Roughly 4.5 being addicted to kratom itself. It's all about responsible use IMO
2. Manages my pain BETTER than any RX did. Several spinal fusions so I'll be a user for possibly life.
3. Personally - used to need it constantly. But no longer need it due to addiction. Only use it when in pain...1-3 times a day usually but can take days off without issue. Dont know what happened but its absolutely perfect for me.
In 1 month I'll be on kratom for 6 years now. Roughly 4.5 being addicted to kratom itself. It's all about responsible use IMO
Matthersby
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Thanks for your input RB! I was able to go from 48 caps in the am to 28 in less than 3 weeks back in June. And then I got lazy, but I need to be off this shyt. I will follow your protocol after I monitor what one day use looks like.
ELROCK
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Clear your Messages Matthersby
Matthersby
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Done sir.
Matthersby
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That’s what I’m saying!
Matthersby
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Typically they can use it short term and get off it, but I rather enjoyed it for the first few months and continued pushing dose rather than get off of it. I would imagine opiate addicts would fall victim to the same.
Additionally, it doesn’t create crime or cause me to go from $100 a week habit to $1k a week habit, and I’m not going to jail from it, so if I were on heroin prior, it definitely would have saved me...
THOR 70
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Great perspective!
Matthersby
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Anyways, back to the good stuff.
Skipped Lantus today. Still a bit nauseous and on some lousy sleep. Trying to get those calories in. Pinned 150npp, took only 30mg Dbol over 10 hours, may take 10 more but not in a habit of taking orals at night.
I L O V E when Dbol kicks in. For a tall skinny guy, I love being puffed up and swoled out af. Just my personal preference. So I make sure to get stable levels, because you will see ZERO water retention pulsing Dbol, nothing at all like once you hit week 3 and put on 10lbs of water. So, it leads me to believe pulsing is darn near worthless, and the more evenly one can space out orals, the better. But if recall Superdrol, I’d only take 10mg in the am and have no stability. Making me
Wonder is it just an accumulation of daily increases in exogenous aas? When a drug “kicks in” was it because it was simply taken daily?
Thoughts?
After a good night rest tonight I will be back in the gym and eating my ass off, ready to put on the next 43 lbs! Muthafukas!
Skipped Lantus today. Still a bit nauseous and on some lousy sleep. Trying to get those calories in. Pinned 150npp, took only 30mg Dbol over 10 hours, may take 10 more but not in a habit of taking orals at night.
I L O V E when Dbol kicks in. For a tall skinny guy, I love being puffed up and swoled out af. Just my personal preference. So I make sure to get stable levels, because you will see ZERO water retention pulsing Dbol, nothing at all like once you hit week 3 and put on 10lbs of water. So, it leads me to believe pulsing is darn near worthless, and the more evenly one can space out orals, the better. But if recall Superdrol, I’d only take 10mg in the am and have no stability. Making me
Wonder is it just an accumulation of daily increases in exogenous aas? When a drug “kicks in” was it because it was simply taken daily?
Thoughts?
After a good night rest tonight I will be back in the gym and eating my ass off, ready to put on the next 43 lbs! Muthafukas!
Matthersby
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Also, does anyone drop dose down on off training days and space them out evenly?
I’ve always liked:
Training day -
8am 20mg 2pm 20mg 5pm workout 6pm 10mg
Off day - 10mg every 6 hours for only 30-40mg total.
Curious if others have found better methods, as I’ve never thought it mattered much whether I took only 1 pill a day, and it still kicked in like clockwork end of week 2
I’ve always liked:
Training day -
8am 20mg 2pm 20mg 5pm workout 6pm 10mg
Off day - 10mg every 6 hours for only 30-40mg total.
Curious if others have found better methods, as I’ve never thought it mattered much whether I took only 1 pill a day, and it still kicked in like clockwork end of week 2
Newth
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Fat weight AND water weight, you are going to be one big fukker by next year man.
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Smont
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I've tried spacing out dbol, and all in one dose, saw no different results. I like 1 dose pre-workout, and one dose am on off days, maybe split am/pm but not ever seen any benifits
Matthersby
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Same here. Personal experimentation has shown me pulsing is a waste of pills, which leads me to believe you need daily doses to reach the “kick in” stage. But it’s never mattered whether it’s 1 pill every 6 hours or all preworkout. It doesn’t seem to do anything until that point where it kicks in fully. Weird.
Hyde
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My personal experience with all orals is the overall effect is dependent on what you’re taking overall over days, not acutely. BUT taking all in one dose is likely to spike my bp higher, so I will always break things up over at least a couple doses per day.
I can take tvar and wait for the erection about 75 min later, so timing matters there
I can take tvar and wait for the erection about 75 min later, so timing matters there
Matthersby
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My personal experience with all orals is the overall effect is dependent on what you’re taking overall over days, not acutely. BUT taking all in one dose is likely to spike my bp higher, so I will always break things up over at least a couple doses per day.
I can take tvar and wait for the erection about 75 min later, so timing matters there
Only thing that does that for me is cialis. Fuk I’m old.
Trest with prami will make me a 19 year old as well...
swimfan65
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Funny, your blowing up and I'm shrinking...love that full and stong feeling too
Newth
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My personal experience with all orals is the overall effect is dependent on what you’re taking overall over days, not acutely. BUT taking all in one dose is likely to spike my bp higher, so I will always break things up over at least a couple doses per day.
I can take tvar and wait for the erection about 75 min later, so timing matters there
I was just thinking yesterday I need to ask was it you I could remember talking a bit about tvar, guess so.
Sounds pretty cool, drop it, then pull a killer workout and strut out shoulders back full tent pole.
Newth
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Ohh God!
Swim was saying he's old, now you are too, I'm only 43, you can both *forget that*(I would say get *get ****ed* but Aussies can be different like that so internet speak).
Also what does the cialis do for you BP wise, I remember you talking a bit about it and I should start looking into it.
Matthersby
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I need to get on the anti-aging section and work on some of the long term stuff with TRT. I’ll cruise something and have awesome libido, etc etc. and then all of a sudden, I cant perform well without a little cialis, and have very little libido. So I just take it every other day or every 3 day. It keeps it lower a lot like Arginine AKG. Weird though bc it feels like it raises BP with the flushed face and headache it gives. I love the stuff though.
Matthersby
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I did prior to finishing Dienolone and a little Dmz in July.
- Blood sugar and A1c were kinda lousy. Both almost in range though.
- Platelets were slightly elevated but RBC/H&H in range.
- Liver values perfect
- Kidneys great - usual slight bun/creatinine high range
Pretty much green light to run a 9 weeker.
I’ll get one in 4 weeks, I’m paranoid about clot factors as I’m already high risk.
And my work is offering a free biometric screening in a few weeks which will get several of those checked for free too.
Hyde
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I was just thinking yesterday I need to ask was it you I could remember talking a bit about tvar, guess so.
Sounds pretty cool, drop it, then pull a killer workout and strut out shoulders back full tent pole.
I would literally be driving to the gym, road rage kicking in, totally irrational, with a mild chub for no reason having not even seen any women yet. It was always okay because I understood it was just the tren doing its thing, but definitely a ride.
People say roid rage isn’t real...I say they’re in denial. It was profound and like clockwork after dosing. But because of that I could always keep perspective that whatever I’m upset about doesn’t matter, because the anger is just part of you for the moment. It was kind of therapeutic, to dissociate like that.
Matthersby
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Still got abs though!
Here’s how absolutely nuts my metabolism is right now..
Took me two weeks to put on 7 pounds, was sick for a day and a half, woke up 7 pounds lighter today.
I’m going to have to kick it up a notch to keep gaining.
jackedviking
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Good lord, I’m jealous AF!!!!
bigbeaph
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Haha! I went to Sam's and picked up the same thing to get some extra and cheap cals after reading it here!
Matthersby
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Ya, Fry’s(Kroger, Ralphs) has 1LB Jif jar and generic choco granola bars(8 pack) both for $1.50. I swear I have 15 left of each in the pantry.
RickyBlobby
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Is it pointless or damn near to use slin on non-workout days?
Matthersby
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Picking up a new Costco membership in a week or two. Swung by a ghettoass Smart and Final earlier and grabbed a couple cases of protein bars, several pounds of quick rice, a dozen cans of chili, PB, 5lbs honey roasted peanuts, 5lbs of frozen chicken tenders and heading to the store to spend a couple hundred on meat for the week. Hopefully lasts longer than that. Drinking more whole milk and high fat Greek yogurt too.
My peanut butter trick works like a charm when I stick to it, but I imagine 15lbs from now it’ll need to be 2lbs a day.
My peanut butter trick works like a charm when I stick to it, but I imagine 15lbs from now it’ll need to be 2lbs a day.