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Although I do know it’s possible to be a hardgainer I don’t think it’s as prevalent as people think. When I was in HS I thought I ate so much food and just couldn’t gain weight. I was an athlete, lifted multiple times a week for years, and was 6’5 180 lbs at 18. In college I ate similar but was sure to hit protein, my extra athletics went from probably 10-15 hours a week to 3-5 hours a week and in 1 year I put on 20 lbs of muscle. Only changes were protein and less other activity.
 
If you're not gaining weight you're not in a caloric surplus it's plain and simple, so the answer is to eat more calories. A mass gainer shake is nothing more than calories and you can make them yourself.

12oz fairlife 2%=180
1scoop standard whey protein=125ish
2 large banana=240
4 tablespoons of peanut butter=375

In the blender and you have a 60-65gm protein and 920 calories you can drink in 30 seconds.

In its simplest form, you have 2 options. You can eat more food or you can do less activity and that's the only way you can gain weight. There's no supplement that's going to make you gain weight that doesn't include a significant amount of calories unless you're just looking for water weight.

Or use insulin and GH 🤷
 
gianniszp@gmai said:
I was wondering if any testosterone or Anabolic supplement could help with recovery and protein synthesis
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Yeah they will but think of them as the cherry on top rather than the solution to your problems. They won’t lift the weights for you.

Train hard, recover hard and eat a lot and you’ll pack on good pounds. Supplements will help but nobody can tell you how much they will help you.
 
gianniszp@gmai said:
I was wondering if any testosterone or Anabolic supplement could help with recovery and protein synthesis
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Shadows reply is pretty spot on. My recommendations would be anabolic xt or anabolic effect because I’ve tried them and like them, haven’t tried any geared specifically for test boosting yet though.
 
gianniszp@gmai said:
I was wondering if any testosterone or Anabolic supplement could help with recovery and protein synthesis
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Definitely make sure you get your food consumption down as the others have said but as far as supplements Creatine HCL is the first I would try before anything else.
 
Supplements can help but if you weren’t gaining weight before you won’t gain weight just by adding a supplement. The best stack out there would maybe make you build muscle and lose fat if you’re eating at maintenance. If you truly want to build up the calories or cut the activity.
 
Halfnattyman44 said:
If you truly want to build up the calories or cut the activity.
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Agreed. Proper diet and figuring out what's maintenance, surplus, and deficit calories for you goes a long way.
 
2 scoops whey isolate (I use plasma)
• 2 tbsp MCT oil
• 1 table spoon of ketones
• 1 tbsp peanut or macadamia butter
• a little heavy cream
Blend it up with ice and milk you’ll be hitting 600–800 calories easy. Clean mass, not bloat
 
djbombsquad said:
2 scoops whey isolate (I use plasma)
• 2 tbsp MCT oil
• 1 table spoon of ketones
• 1 tbsp peanut or macadamia butter
• a little heavy cream
Blend it up with ice and milk you’ll be hitting 600–800 calories easy. Clean mass, not bloat
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Easy way to get in the needed calories for sure!
 
When I bulked, which ended up being +20lbs my morning breakfast everyday was:

400ml Milk (Lactose Free)
2 cups of oats
1 scoop of whey protein
1 tablespoon of peanut butter
1 big squirt of honey
handful of frozen blueberries
1 banana

Bonus that it actually tastes delicious aswell. You can chug it in 15 seconds and bam, easy 600-1000 calories

Add in more peanut butter if you want higher calories.

Its impossible not to put on weight if you up your calories
 
Joshlm69 said:
When I bulked, which ended up being +20lbs my morning breakfast everyday was:

400ml Milk (Lactose Free)
2 cups of oats
1 scoop of whey protein
1 tablespoon of peanut butter
1 big squirt of honey
handful of frozen blueberries
1 banana

Bonus that it actually tastes delicious aswell. You can chug it in 15 seconds and bam, easy 600-1000 calories

Add in more peanut butter if you want higher calories.

Its impossible not to put on weight
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Like others have said:

  • Eat over maintenance. If hard-gainer, just eat all day long. (Or as much as you can handle)
  • Use mass shakes like others here have mentioned. (Drinking extra calories is always easier)
  • Heavy training with barbells and dumbbells (save machines/cables for finishers) SQ, B, DL, OHP
  • 10G of creatine a day in your shake.
  • Try to get 7-8 hrs of good sleep.

Those are the natty ways... If you go to the darkside, of course there are beginner cycles all over the web.
But these things mentioned above, would still pertain...
 
I think that the liquid shakes packed with carbs and protein is an easy way for extra calories,i ve tried a couple days and already i am up
 
I used to use milk, PB, powdered milk, Molasses, Heavy Whipping Cream, banana, honey, oats, scoop of IC sometimes.
 
gianniszp@gmai said:
I was wondering if any testosterone or Anabolic supplement could help with recovery and protein synthesis
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As others have said, calories, and especially quality calories are important.

As far as supplements, yes, things like M-Test and Optimize-T can help increase testosterone levels, things like Anabolic XT, Anabolic Effect, ATP Elite, and Prime XT can help build muscle, and things like Pepti-Bolic, Pepti-Plex, Phosphatidic Acid XT, and MPC-185 can help increase protein synthesis.
 
gianniszp@gmai said:
What about epicatechin and arachidonic acid
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Epicatechin is a good ingredient. It's great for muscular endurance. Epi-Plex is also great for cardiovascular and endothelial health.

X-Gels is great for building muscle and strength.
 
gianniszp@gmai said:
Arachidonic acid??
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X-Gels is Arachidonic Acid.

I referred to X-Gels specifically because it is a 40% concentration whereas most Arachidonic Acid products are a 10%. If you see it in capsule form, it's a 10% or less. The 40% is an oil, so it has to be in softgels.

There is a lot of label deception with Arachidonic Acid products bc many will use the powder and list total input dosage and not active concentration.

For Example:
  • One brand that lists 3 capsules as 2,250 mg. Arachidonic Acid - but it only contains 10% active, so 250 mg.
  • One softgel of X-Gels contains 250 mg. of active.
  • So 1 softgel contains the amount of active that 3 powder capsules do.
  • Then figure that you need 4 to 6 softgels of X-Gels, which shows you that the capsule dosing is nowhere near effective.
 
sns8778 said:
X-Gels is Arachidonic Acid.

I referred to X-Gels specifically because it is a 40% concentration whereas most Arachidonic Acid products are a 10%. If you see it in capsule form, it's a 10% or less. The 40% is an oil, so it has to be in softgels.

There is a lot of label deception with Arachidonic Acid products bc many will use the powder and list total input dosage and not active concentration.

For Example:
  • One brand that lists 3 capsules as 2,250 mg. Arachidonic Acid - but it only contains 10% active, so 250 mg.
  • One softgel of X-Gels contains 250 mg. of active.
  • So 1 softgel contains the amount of active that 3 powder capsules do.
  • Then figure that you need 4 to 6 softgels of X-Gels, which shows you that the capsule dosing is nowhere near effective.
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How many weeks can i go with ara ,do i have to cycle?
 
DA_MOSS said:
That’s the x gels Steve is talking about

No supplement will help you more than a calorie surplus will right now. You really need to get nutrition dialed in before you look at supplementation
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Believe me man i am eating 3.000 + calories and i am 156lbs its too much food for my frame and weight
 
gianniszp@gmai said:
Believe me man i am eating 3.000 + calories and i am 156lbs its too much food for my frame and weight
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You need to actually track everything you eat. It’s not possible to eat 3,000+ calories daily at your weight and not be gaining substantial weight, it’s literally science.

You aren’t eating anywhere near as much as you think you are consistently
 
I agree. Either your activity level is insane or your tracking is wrong. Back in high school I swore I ate so much and couldn't gain weight which it was partially true because I was playing sports nonstop. But I went to college and activity slowed, I ate more, I continued lifting, and I gained weight.

-track calories for a week or 2 then increase it by 500 calories per day. Run that for 3-4 weeks then increase it again by a couple hundred and keep going. Make sure it's consistent. It's easy to hit 3000 calories on Friday when you have pizza and beer and forget that you ate 1800 calories all week because you skipped breakfast.
-HIT YOUR PROTEIN. Don't just slam junk food. If you need that to hit calorie targets sometimes that's ok, but first hit protein.
-Cut your activity down to not include extra cardio.
-If you're full use liquid calories to bump things up. You can make a 700-1000 calorie shake that is easy to digest with 50-80 grams of protein.
 
Halfnattyman44 said:
I agree. Either your activity level is insane or your tracking is wrong. Back in high school I swore I ate so much and couldn't gain weight which it was partially true because I was playing sports nonstop. But I went to college and activity slowed, I ate more, I continued lifting, and I gained weight.

-track calories for a week or 2 then increase it by 500 calories per day. Run that for 3-4 weeks then increase it again by a couple hundred and keep going. Make sure it's consistent. It's easy to hit 3000 calories on Friday when you have pizza and beer and forget that you ate 1800 calories all week because you skipped breakfast.
-HIT YOUR PROTEIN. Don't just slam junk food. If you need that to hit calorie targets sometimes that's ok, but first hit protein.
-Cut your activity down to not include extra cardio.
-If you're full use liquid calories to bump things up. You can make a 700-1000 calorie shake that is easy to digest with 50-80 grams of protein.
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I recently did a bulk and gained 20lbs in 8 weeks. All it took was mirroring the exact same diet I was before the bulk, the same activity level in terms of cardio/steps, but just added in 750 calories extra a day.

I also used formeron which would have added some weight, but the vast majority (90% or so) came from the increase in food

It’s not rocket science, and very easy to gain the weight you want too, you just need to actually track the food/cardio
 
gianniszp@gmai said:
How many weeks can i go with ara ,do i have to cycle?
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It used to be that everyone used it daily and cycled it - 50 to 60 days on, then a break.

Now days, some people use it only on workout days.

The original studies were based on daily use, so that's what I would do if it were me personally, but there are a lot here that use it on workout days only. No real right or wrong answer, just preference.
 
gianniszp@gmai said:
Believe me man i am eating 3.000 + calories and i am 156lbs its too much food for my frame and weight
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Believe me man, unless you're running marathons you're not eating that many calories on a regular basis and not gaining weight. My maintenance calories are around 3200-3400/day at lean190-200lbs. I work manual labor, I lift 4-5x week, I do about a hour of cardio daily and run a strength and conditioning class twice a week. I burn far more calories than the average Joe. Most of the younger guys I train tell me about how much food they eat and when I pick there diet apart, they usually average around 1000 calories less then they say they do. It's usually a day they got fast food or a cheat that they ate the numbers they think there eating.
 
LeanEngineer said:
Just curious what's your typical cardio or does it change daily?
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A common one I do is 20min incline treadmill
2-3 rounds Shadow boxing or double end bag
2-3 rounds jumping rope
3-5 rounds heavy bag.

Some days I jog

Occasionally il do some sparring or grappling and get beat up by the younger guys 😂
 
I hate long steady state cardio so I try to break it up into different things instead of just a hour on the treadmill. 1. I find it boring, 2. I hate cardio in general and 3. I think the intensity changes from one thing to the next help a lot with overall conditioning. Kinda like tabata vs steady state. Recently I've tried a little bit of tabata rounds too @MrKleen73 idea to incorporate it
 
Smont said:
A common one I do is 20min incline treadmill
2-3 rounds Shadow boxing or double end bag
2-3 rounds jumping rope
3-5 rounds heavy bag.

Some days I jog

Occasionally il do some sparring or grappling and get beat up by the younger guys 😂
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I can only do about 20 mins cardio before I get bored and had enough. What I typically do:

I'll start with 10 mins HIIT. I'll work my way up to a speed of 10 and that will last for about a minute each time.

The next 10 mins I'll do incline at 12.0, 3.2 speed.
 
sns8778 said:
It used to be that everyone used it daily and cycled it - 50 to 60 days on, then a break.

Now days, some people use it only on workout days.

The original studies were based on daily use, so that's what I would do if it were me personally, but there are a lot here that use it on workout days only. No real right or wrong answer, just preference.
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Question for you big guy, in a situation where I'm cross training and my training volume with the weights has to be reduced. Do you think pre workout ara would be a good add on. I'm wondering if that acute inflammatory response could help get more out of less. Say my push day was reduced from 25 sets to 15 sets. Would the ara help create more muscle damage with less sets tricking them into thinking I did my normal volume. Sorry I don't really know a better way to explain it and I'm not expecting magic. My expectations are reasonable in what may be possible.
 
BigGame84 said:
I can only do about 20 mins cardio before I get bored and had enough. What I typically do:

I'll start with 10 mins HIIT. I'll work my way up to a speed of 10 and that will last for about a minute each time.

The next 10 mins I'll do incline at 12.0, 3.2 speed.
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Ya dude, 20min is about the maximum I can spend doing one thing. Even that's pushing it. I change elevations and speed up and down during the treadmill to kinda mix it up. But by the time I'm approaching that 20 minute Mark I'm dying to get off that machine and do something different
 
Smont said:
Question for you big guy, in a situation where I'm cross training and my training volume with the weights has to be reduced. Do you think pre workout ara would be a good add on. I'm wondering if that acute inflammatory response could help get more out of less. Say my push day was reduced from 25 sets to 15 sets. Would the ara help create more muscle damage with less sets tricking them into thinking I did my normal volume. Sorry I don't really know a better way to explain it and I'm not expecting magic. My expectations are reasonable in what may be possible.
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I think that that is possible.

And no worries, you did a good job of explaining that.
 
BigGame84 said:
I can only do about 20 mins cardio before I get bored and had enough. What I typically do:
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Same here that's why I was asking what he was doing for an hour. I will try and do at least 20 minutes three times a week for cardio but I don't do it daily at the moment. Probably should though.
 
Showing my age but back in the day we used to do dumbbell pullovers along with deep breathing squats to really fire the body for growth.
 
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