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Mass FX™ Teaser

BigSmith said:
Yes you are correct. Even Coca Classic has negative effects in some way. I edited the post. What was meant is that Mass FX although it seriously raises then frees up Testosterone is does not have the harsh side effects of attributed to most pro-hormones. IMO I feel this is the first non-hormonal product that delivers mild pro-hormone type results (Strength and Lean mass) to everyone that takes it without the harsh pro-hormone side effects.
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Of course; anything has a side effect in some form. Even eating too much fruit can be bad for your lipid profile b/c fructose is preferably metabolized to TGL's in the liver for example.

Also, I might like your companies products and that your company is essentially standing up to the EDIT: Old issue
So..
 
BigSmith said:
Superdrol was licensed from Designer Supplements the inventor, first to market company, and intellectual property holder.. That license has now expired. All Write-Up material was supplied by Designer Supplements as well. If you have a problem with the material you will need to take it up with them. The Mass FX teaser thread is not the place for it.
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I'm not expressing any concern for that product. I'm also not agreeing that you're free from any liability because you did not manufacture the product or write the ad.
Here's what I'm saying in a nutshell:
1) I think AX has a great reputation when it comes to product effect; but not neccessarily in terms of product safety. You are honest about the effects of your products in forums but not everyone visits forums. Also the majority of people here do not have degrees in exercise physiology or a branch of biochemistry or in some health-related field. A lot of them just have bro knowledge and the tidbits they pick up here.
2) Your statement that you had 100 positive results is not a good one.
A) You had no control group or did you send out placebos?
B) Probably b/c of cost and difficulty you did not have your testers have blood work done before, during, and after testing.
C) All statemets based on the products test claims are qualitative. Did you have body compositions taken, 1RM tests, muscle biopsies, etc? Are the people that relayed their results qualifed to do these tests on our own. And for reference the Jackson-Poullack equations just aren't that accurate within our subgroup (bodybuilding) when it comes to testing skinfolds. It has nothing on DEXA or underwater weighing but it's easy and is a simple way to measure if one is gaining or losing fat, etc.
D) This would not be considered a study worthy of publishing
3) I am not attacking you and I'm not making blatant lies or accusations, these are all true statements, to the best of my knowledge.
4) I think AX is one of the better companies on the market.
5) Out of curiosity what are the credentials for the board reps of your company? Phd? Batchelors in exercise physiology or biochem? Research experience in this field?
 
When we send out tester samples we were not trying to host the next major study. We handed out samples bottles (100) and asked for anecdotal feedback. That feedback was nearly 100% positive with some users reporting better gains then when on pro-hormones like Ergomax. No control groups or placebo's just good old comparison feedback. Now I understand that is not a true test case scenario. We do have a full understanding of the compound that Dr.D has created. The "testing" is more or less for pre-release feedback for the consumer.

I appreciate the compliments and accept the criticism. When Mass FX is released you will see much more information being published. Until then it's hush hush.

As for the board reps.........A general love for the industry/sport, knowledgeable, have extra time to spare, and finally generally just a good person. Our reps are a "semi-paid" position and their job is to spread knowledge, help others, and provide valuable feedback to AX.

I have to run.

Kevin
 
BigSmith said:
When we send out tester samples we were not trying to host the next major study. We handed out samples bottles (100) and asked for anecdotal feedback. That feedback was nearly 100% positive with some users reporting better gains then when on pro-hormones like Ergomax. No control groups or placebo's just good old comparison feedback. Now I understand that is not a true test case scenario. We do have a full understanding of the compound that Dr.D has created. The "testing" is more or less for pre-release feedback for the consumer.

I appreciate the compliments and accept the criticism. When Mass FX is released you will see much more information being published. Until then it's hush hush.

As for the board reps.........A general love for the industry/sport, knowledgeable, have extra time to spare, and finally generally just a good person. Our reps are a "semi-paid" position and their job is to spread knowledge, help others, and provide valuable feedback to AX.

I have to run.

Kevin
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Thanks for the reply. The old forum I used to post at would've blocked my comments (some of you know which one or can guess it). Gotta love AM.
 
Proteinpowda said:
Then the compound produces no effect on testosterone. An increase in testosterone comes with these effects you just spoke of (except for liver damage if the compound is non-hepatoxic...)

If increasing testosterone had no effects at all on your system then they would not be doing research on it as we speak. For example there's a study being conducted in AZ now (double-blind placebo controlled) investing the effects of HRT in med with low to mid testosterone levels and its effect on artherosclerosis (sp?). As my physician put it we just don't know what the effects of having a higher LDL level, increased TGL's for an acute period of time in otherwise healthy individiauls down the line. And yes significantly increasing test (as stated before) works via a similar mechanism to blood doping. Instead of directly injecting Red Blood cells or Erytropoietin (sp) test raises EPO levels.

So overall I'm contending that his statement that it's side effect free is a huge blanket statement and one that without having done randomized double-blind placebo controlled studies one that cannot be taken without skepticism. These compounds, supplements, whatever you want to call them (and intentionally delude yourself by believing they are something better and safer than compounds in the pharmacy) are pharmaceuticals and should be treated and evaluated as such.
Granted I take them in lieu of other illegals but it's a trade-off. You can take compounds with decades of research behind them, where methods of action have been study, studies have been done on diverse populations, and their quality is under regulatory controls (not always true on the black market), or you can take a supplement whose manufacturer claims it to be side-effect free.
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Short answer, BIG plus..... ity bity negative.
 
Another dosing question.

Im gonna stack Mass FX and HD. The label for HD says 3 caps/day with meals. But ive read alot of places that ppl take 4 Mass FX and 4 HD per day as their stack.

Should i take 3 or 4 HD per day???
 
NDjets78 said:
Another dosing question.

Im gonna stack Mass FX and HD. The label for HD says 3 caps/day with meals. But ive read alot of places that ppl take 4 Mass FX and 4 HD per day as their stack.

Should i take 3 or 4 HD per day???
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personal preference and budgetary.....

Usually people well over 220 pounds find it more effective....

I personally, am running 4 per day, but that is me. I would start with 3 for atleast a week and test your tolerance. Combined with FX, you may find 3 is quite enough!
 
BigSmith said:
It is not an AI. It increases test levels big time. So we create lots of test then free it up with the 3,4-DVTHF. The end result is a beautiful thing :)
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Can this be used in PCT then? Sounds like it would be great after a cycle to get T levels back to where they should be
 
Sonicology said:
Can this be used in post cycle therapy then? Sounds like it would be great after a cycle to get T levels back to where they should be
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Yes, it could. You would still want an AI to team with it though.

IT DEFINITELY BOOSTS and FREES your TEST!!!! :D
 
what kind of gains can one expect from this?
 
our testers gained 3-6 pounds a few as many as 8-10.

Thanks for your interest!!! :D

You will be pleasantly surprised!!!
 
I think I will run a Mass Fx/Retain stack and keep an AI handy in case something negative shows it's face.

My theory is this: An AI of any sort always seems to diminish my libido but certainly does the job with increasing Test and decreasing Estrogen (hence I am estrogen sensitive)

But I am hoping the increased Estrogen will increase my libido. Plus I always respond awesome to Activate (Divanal) when I am not taking an AI in conjunction with it. My libido goes crazy!!
 
that is your choice!! :D Sounds like you are in tune with your body. I would definitely recommend having the AI around as you mentioned. (Insurance) :D
 
which online retailers buddy i already have the hyperdrol and the retain bottles, I gave my bro the rest of my jw and activate so that he will order the mass fx for me. and when i mean which retailers have it i dont mean presale caus there are a lot of presales. i also saw that ax site is selling mass fx but for 80 dollars!!!
 
I don't think a single retailer has actually received the product yet. But any day they will start hitting the shelves as product is has been shipping out everyday.
 
i just ordered my mass fx from nutra. i dnt understand the whole presale thing does that mean when they recieve the mass fx they will automatically send it to me?
 
Yep! Nutra should have it in the next day or so. I imagine the day they get it is the day they ship it to ya. :)
 
khan-unit said:
oh man i cant wait!!!!!!!!!
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Ohhhhh dude !!! Didnt you hear? You cant buy Mass Fx in Colorado or have it shipped there, or even look at it in a magazine!!!!! :icon_lol: j/k


FnF-------> :run:
 
Do you guys have any data showing it raises test? How much?
Are we talking about going from like 400ng/dl to 600ng/dl or to like 1500 or higher...
Also any hard data on the resulting estrogen levels and SHBG beyong mere spec?
And lastly what about when one comes off? While it won't neccessarily shut down test production it would likely cause some down-regulation of test receptors...
 
Proteinpowda said:
Do you guys have any data showing it raises test? How much?
Are we talking about going from like 400ng/dl to 600ng/dl or to like 1500 or higher...
Also any hard data on the resulting estrogen levels and SHBG beyong mere spec?
And lastly what about when one comes off? While it won't neccessarily shut down test production it would likely cause some down-regulation of test receptors...
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check ersatz log or the blood test thread.....

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I can say that I think that powerF and MassFX, along with 1 tab of restore(after your first 3-4 weeks or so) would def be a dynamic stack....

Oh and off course 500+ cals above maintain for bulk....
 
hardknock said:
I can say that I think that powerF and MassFX, along with 1 tab of restore(after your first 3-4 weeks or so) would def be a dynamic stack....

Oh and off course 500+ cals above maintain for bulk....
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Curious........what is PowerF?
 
clearity said:
Is it alright if I take Melting point while doing the Mass Fx and Hyperdrol stack?
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I am unfamiliar with Melting Point. If it is just a thermogenic fat burner than you should be fine!
 
macedaddy said:
I am unfamiliar with Melting Point. If it is just a thermogenic fat burner than you should be fine!
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Melting point is TTA :)
 
Yea, TTA is a non stim fat burner.

tetradecylthio-acetic acid
 
yeahright said:
37% of beta testers grew a tail....the other 63% got more tail because their muscles became so huge.
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Wait your numbers add up! There isn't a +- FACTOR?

BAD STATISTICS!! I DEMAND REFERENCES! :afro:
 
clearity said:
I've noticed while Taking this for 4 days, I've been sleeping a lot more.
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Are you taking Mass FX now? If so how long have you been on it. You may be the fist person to have started it :) Keep us posted with your progress.
 
hey guys I am about to start a Mass FX/X factor log if anyone is interested - I am a very experienced lifter and plan to fully utilize Mass FX's potential - this stuff looks scientifically very impressive - cant wait to start
 
I'm starting it Wed. guys....Look for it in the supplement reviews/logs forum. I am really excited about this Mass FX - it looks really amazing - As for all you AE guys, if it is what you guys say it is - I will make you proud - ;)
 
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