March 21st: Bring on the Superdrol

Day 19: +13.4LBS

I continue to be amazed by this stuff. Libido is unharmed (at least for now, we'll see what happens in PCT). Strength continues to climb consistently, though that is to be expected withthe type of split I'm using and the added calories. Everyone keeps telling me how I look bigger, which is probably even more striking b/c I was just doing the UD2.0 cutting, which had me depleted more often than not. I think I am still fairly lean; not much fat gain. I'll have to bic my abs and chest to really know.

I'm not sure exactly how high I have dosed the SD. Some days I take 20mg, some days 10. I will count up the remaining caps later to figure out how many I've used. I'm guessing it will come out to less than 15mg per day.

I think today might be my last day. I've been in contact with Bobo, and if I decide to go with his service I will take my last dose of SD tonight:sad: , then get right into PCT. I feel like I'm still in good shape, so this PCT should not be too trying. If it goes as planned I'll start with Bobo in a week or two.

BTW, considering I have been running a low dose cycle, these gains are even more astounding. I will be satisfied if I keep 7lbs of LBM from this cycle, of course more would be delicious.:cheers:
 
Great gains man, keep it up. My question is since you have probably researched this beforehand. At higher doses they're saying Taurine for back pump. What role does Taurine play as far as that is concerned?
 
I do take Taurine pre-workout, usually with a banana (potassium is also key to preventing back pumps). Guess what: I still got 'em. I even get back pumps sitting at the computer and typing. Nonetheless, I was still able to do heavy rack deads, Sumo Deadlifts, BB rows and T-Bar Rows. I actually got worse back pumps when not working out, probably b/c I didn't have the high doses of taurine and potassium.

I also left squats out of my split for these few weeks to minimize the strain on my back. I stuck to heavy leg presses and machine hack squats.

Regarding the science behind the role of taurine and potassim in staving of back pumps, I haven't a clue, but I would like to know.
 
Day 21 (DAY 1 OF PCT): +13LBS

All good things must come to an end, and so has my SD cycle. I ended up taking 28 caps in 20 days for an average of 14mg per day. I can't believe how much I gained in such a short period of time. I am a happy man right now. I have stayed pretty lean too. If I gained any fat I would say it is probably >3LBS.

Strength increases have been consistent. I hope this continues through PCT. My only lift that was held down was bench, as I have been cautious training chest so as to avoid injuring my RC. I have been doing extra slow reps with perfect form and it has felt okay.

Amazingly, I really didn't feel like I was on a cycle, aside from feeling great in the gym and the occassional lethargy and back pumps (which I still got today; not surprising as they say the effects of SD last a week after cessation).

Based on this experience it seems that I am a great responder to SD. And I believe this camefrom the 2nd batch. I look forward to further cycles.

PCT:
1Fast's Pro-Liver (Milk Thistle and NAC): 3 Caps daily
Nolva: I took 40mg last night. Does anyone have reccommendations, as this was a light cycle and I do not feel shutdown (we'll see in a few days). I was thinking 3 weeks at 40/30/20.
CEE: 5-6g per day
Lots of fish oil and Flax
 
What is up next

I am going to sign up with Bobo. I can't decide if I should cut then bulk or bulk then cut. People seem to gain minimal fat with Bobo when bulking, so I might be able to cut, then bulk through summer while staying fairly lean. I'm going to borrow a digi cam from someone so I can post some pics and get some input from the boys.

Hope this was helpful.

I'll post a few PCT updates in the near future. Lets hope this weight sticks:box: .
 
Beowulf said:
I am going to sign up with Bobo. I can't decide if I should cut then bulk or bulk then cut. People seem to gain minimal fat with Bobo when bulking, so I might be able to cut, then bulk through summer while staying fairly lean. I'm going to borrow a digi cam from someone so I can post some pics and get some input from the boys.

Hope this was helpful.

I'll post a few PCT updates in the near future. Lets hope this weight sticks:box: .
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I think this is a good idea. Bobo will help you decide on what to do. And to stay possitive the results will stick!

Your pct looks fine, even though you don't feel shut down why risk it? Especially when you can run the proper pct.
 
I can't wait to work with Bobo. I'm not going to touch AAS/PHs again until I really work everything out naturally. I have made huge progress on my own, but it is time to call in the expert.
 
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I got interrupted while writing the PCT part of the Post and I left a few things out. PCT will actually look like this:

1Fast's Pro-Liver (Milk Thistle and NAC): 3 Caps daily
Nolva: 3 weeks at 40/30/20.
Lean Extreme: 3 Caps daily. 6am and 4 hours later
DHEA: 100mg at breakfast/100mg at lunch
CEE: 5-6g per day
Lots of fish oil and Flax
 
PCT SCHMEE-C-T: Day 7 of PCT

More than anything else, I must comment on how great I have been feeling throughout this PCT. My libido is as good as it has ever been. In fact, I may have given performances of a lifetime the last 2 nights. I feel great. No lethargy, nothing. I suspect that the ease I have had in coming off SD probably stems from the following: 1.)I stayed with a low dose--avg. 14mg per day 2.) A SD solo cycle is pretty easy to come off anyway 3.) Thanks to the good Dr. I have been taking 200mg of DHEA daily, with breakfast and lunch. I will never do another PCT without this crucial component.

I am still holding strong with weight with a 13 lb increase. I am still extremely Vascular, especially in the biceps and delts. Workouts are still enjoyable, though my endurance is just a bit less than it was before. I left my 'on cycle' workouts feeling like I could keep lifting forever; today I was ready to leave, but was thoroughly satisfied with the effort I had put forth.

I shaved the accumulating forest on my chest and abs and was pleased to see that I am still fairly lean. My abs are far from shredded, but they are still visible, so I'm guessing I am no higher than 11% and no lower than 9%.

Strength has remained consistent. I have actually increased the weights on some exercises.

I did notice that DOMS is way up, though I think this might be from the Lean Xtreme.

That's about it for now. This coming week should be the true test for how well this PCT is going, as some have theorized that SD stays in the system for a week after the final dose.

I'll post again in a week, or sooner if I notice any drastic change.
 
Good stuff Beowulf. I am almost ready to start my three week run of SD. I will be working out every other day. I think I'll start at 10 mg. Supps while on: Multi, Citrulline Malate, R-ALA,Alcar, Green tea extract, Fish oil, Milk Thistle, NAC, CEE. I know we have been discussing Cissus. Would you go with it on cycle or after? Pct. Rebound XT, Vitrex, Red Yeast Rice w/Co-q10 and Celery seed extract. Also, Why did doc recommend DHEA pct?
 
Mach .78 said:
Good stuff Beowulf. I am almost ready to start my three week run of SD. I will be working out every other day. I think I'll start at 10 mg. Supps while on: Multi, Citrulline Malate, R-ALA,Alcar, Green tea extract, Fish oil, Milk Thistle, NAC, CEE. I know we have been discussing Cissus. Would you go with it on cycle or after? Pct. Rebound XT, Vitrex, Red Yeast Rice w/Co-q10 and Celery seed extract. Also, Why did doc recommend DHEA pct?
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1st: Wise move starting with 10mg. I actually got back pumps and gained crazy weight at a low dose, an avg. of 14mg daily. If it isn't working you can increase.

I don't see any reason why you shouldn't use cissus while on cycle, I would only say that you should contact Ceosm about any possible contraindications between the two compounds. I wish I had invested in cissus sooner as it may have allowed me to be more aggressive with my presses, namely bench. As long as there are no contraindications, I would say cissus is a really good idea b/c there is a chance of some joint soreness while on due to SD being a dry compound. I assume you are running it solo.

Your PCT looks tight. Dr. D is a major advocate of using DHEA at about 200mg (2x100mg at breakfast and lunch) in PCT. Many people have had great success with it and I just became one of them. I can't say exactly how it works, perhaps the good Dr. can clear that up for you a bit. I reccommend doing a search on it first.

Good luck, and make sure you let me know how it goes for you.
 
I'll look into the Cissus/SD. DHEA is looking good as well as Nolva. Man this is starting to get expensive. At least I got SD powder. Saved a few bucks there.
 
Beowulf said:
Everything you need to go along with the cycle often ends up costing more than the cycle itself.
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Absolute truth!
And if you include PCT as well, the ancillaries can cost even 3 or 4 times the AAS.
 
xterra said:
Mach.78 how did you manage to get SD powder?
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I am going to guess that that will qualify as a source post. Please delete it so you don't get my thread closed.
 
Beowulf said:
Everything you need to go along with the cycle often ends up costing more than the cycle itself.
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Beowulf. your post have been great. It is really getting me pumped about the SD. My roomate has challenged me to a 1AD vs. SD cycle, of course, he will be taking the 1AD. He swears by the stuff. I'll be sure to post the results. Quick question though. About this time last year i was coming off of a cycle of 1AD. I did participate in PCT, but, at that time, I was ignorant to the pro livers, BP, and Cholesterol supporters that are out there. I know! that was stupid, but now I am more informed. Anyway, how long before my cycle should I start taking these support supps. thanks, and keep up the good work!!
 
People argue both sides of the ancillary protocol. Some people start taking them in advance, then take them straight through the cycle and into PCT, while others say that taking them while "on" might decrease the effectiveness of the AAS. (I should mention that I'm talking about the liver supps) I don't know what to think, but I took a low dose, so I held off until PCT for the Milk Thistle and NAC. I didn't take blood pressure and cholesterol supps because I monitored my blood pressure, and it never got exceptionally high. I had a blood test in January and the Nurse Practitioner said my blood lipids were phenomenal, so I didn't use those ancillaries either. Again, with a low dose, short cycle I didn't feel it was necessary. I eat tons of flax and fish oil, which you should definitely do, especially in PCT. I just checked my BP this minute and it was 110/64. During the cycle it never got over 130.

All that being said, when I do my next SD cycle, probably in late summer, I plan to get bloodwork and use all the ancillaries.

Good Luck
 
xterra said:
Mach.78 how did you manage to get SD powder?
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He got it from the SD fairy duh. She sprinkles SD dust around after leaving your house. Haven't you been reading your fairy tales?
 
Man, everybody's freak out here! What I meant is how did you get

SD in powder FORM, I thought it only came in capsules? Sorry for the
BIG mistake. Anyway its cool, I won't make that mistake again.


Bohica, whats the fascination with fairy's, been called that name before?
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xterra said:
Man, everybody's freak out here! What I meant is how did you get

SD in powder FORM, I thought it only came in capsules? Sorry for the
BIG mistake. Anyway its cool, I won't make that mistake again.


Bohica, whats the fascination with fairy's, been called that name before?
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it was sold in powder form; however telling you where would be a no-no:nono:
 
Beowulf said:
People argue both sides of the ancillary protocol. Some people start taking them in advance, then take them straight through the cycle and into PCT, while others say that taking them while "on" might decrease the effectiveness of the AAS. (I should mention that I'm talking about the liver supps) I don't know what to think, but I took a low dose, so I held off until PCT for the Milk Thistle and NAC. I didn't take blood pressure and cholesterol supps because I monitored my blood pressure, and it never got exceptionally high. I had a blood test in January and the Nurse Practitioner said my blood lipids were phenomenal, so I didn't use those ancillaries either. Again, with a low dose, short cycle I didn't feel it was necessary. I eat tons of flax and fish oil, which you should definitely do, especially in PCT. I just checked my BP this minute and it was 110/64. During the cycle it never got over 130.

All that being said, when I do my next SD cycle, probably in late summer, I plan to get bloodwork and use all the ancillaries.

Good Luck
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No need for an AI on cycle unless needed. Really diet manipulation has more control over this than people realize, jmo.

Glad to see things working out Beo.
 
Wow, I've been away from this thread too long! Everybody is talking about white dust and fairies.Well you're right,there is such a thing as the SD fairy and here she is.Invalid Link Removed :cheers: I love the SD fairy, doesn't everybody?
 
Mach .78 said:
Wow, I've been away from this thread too long! Everybody is talking about white dust and fairies.Well you're right,there is such a thing as the SD fairy and here she is.Invalid Link Removed :cheers: I love the SD fairy, doesn't everybody?
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well if thats her, then maybe for once source posting could be allowed and you can tell me where to pick her up at :icon_lol:
 
I used dhea caps.

Unfortnately, I had a crazy/psycho/hectic phase when wrapping up my Master's, and I lost about 5 lbs. I slept little, missed the gym for about 10 days, and ate lots of junk and little protein. The weight loss was completely my own doing, and I will plan better in the future. The problem is when I don't go to the gym I have no appetite for protein and end up eating tons of shitty carbs. I probably could have staved off some catabolism by just taking BCAA and protein powder, along with continuing with my LX. I have never been as busy in my whole life as I was during this time, and I probably won't be again until I wrap up a Ph. D, and that won't be for a long time. I learned my lesson and I'm gonna move on...

I'm still up 8 lbs, which is as much as I expected to gain from a short, low-dose cycle. I am definitely a believer in SD.
 
for pct after 10 weeks of tren, 1-test cyp, m1t, and a few other 17aa anabolics my test level was 160. after 5 weeks of nolva and fenugreek,no hcg, my total test was 611! after a very suppressive cycle, nolva and fenugreek get a big thumbs up!
 
that's great to hear norm! i'll be using fenugreek as well with my superdrol pct which will look very similar to beowulf's minus the lean extreme. now i just have to be patient and time the cycle correctly.
 
Good log beo. Read the whole thing and it helped a lot. How much did you say you weighed starting out? I am down to about 175 (due to a sport) and am prolly going to start out at 10mg like everyone else. I dont know if i will be able to use dhea post cycle unfortunately due to ncaa policy (methasteron isnt banned yet).

On a side note though I saw you said you didn't know which service to sign up for with Bobo. You'll love the service and if you are an ecto then go with the bulking plan. I am an ecto and the way he does it, if you follow it perfect you don't really have to worry about adding fat. i stayed pretty lean all the way through and put a good 1 lb per week on. Doesn't sound like a lot but it was a pretty damn consistent 1 lb per week and it was actually a little higher when i first started out. I can show you progress pics if you want. Have fun with that.
 
LakeMountD said:
On a side note though I saw you said you didn't know which service to sign up for with Bobo. You'll love the service and if you are an ecto then go with the bulking plan. I am an ecto and the way he does it, if you follow it perfect you don't really have to worry about adding fat. i stayed pretty lean all the way through and put a good 1 lb per week on.
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Definitley go with the bulking plan. I ended up with +4 total in weight, (I finished the plan last Saturday) but I have leaned up tremendously. I can see obliques now and even starting to see the veins in my delt/chest region... definitley wasn't there before I started.

Also with the Fenugreek, if you use it get ready to start smelling like syrup... lol craziest **** ever but the smell like oozes from your pores after a week or 2.
 
LakeMountD said:
Good log beo. Read the whole thing and it helped a lot. How much did you say you weighed starting out? .
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I started out at 177, went up to about 190, then went back down to 186 as of Sunday. After 2 days on Bobo's cutting program I am back up to 187.8:whip: Not too shabby considering I trashed myself for ten days. Of course, I added a bit more fat during those shitty days.

On a side note though I saw you said you didn't know which service to sign up for with Bobo. You'll love the service and if you are an ecto then go with the bulking plan. I am an ecto and the way he does it, if you follow it perfect you don't really have to worry about adding fat. i stayed pretty lean all the way through and put a good 1 lb per week on. Doesn't sound like a lot but it was a pretty damn consistent 1 lb per week and it was actually a little higher when i first started out. I can show you progress pics if you want. Have fun with that
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Pics are always good. Hit me up when you get a second. I already chose the cutter, but I will follow it up with a bulking program once I get a low enough bf%. I'll shoot for 6-7%. I'm probably at 10-11% right now. I would say I am a definite ecto, except that I gain fat in my abs really easily. This is the case for everyone on both sides of my family. When I workout I get crazy veins through my delts and upper chest, yet my abs remain blurred by pudge.

I am content with that choice b/c I am going to get a PT cert this summer, and I look at this as an investment. I'm glad I'm doing a bulk and a cut with Bobo, not just for results, but so I can learn.

Also, your a wise man for starting with 10mg. You can always go up.
 
On the fenugreek guys. What's the dosage a day?I got powder. I had a long weekend so I'm too lazy to look it up. Thanks
 
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