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Main component of AMP... citronellyl diethylamine in bulk for "testing"

Aeternitatis

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We may have figured what this secret Geranamine in AMP is. A member of BB.com called "Bane" has narrowed it down to the most likely component of geranium oil called citronellyl diethylamine.

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Could you maybe get a small bulk supply of this for people to try out? If it turns out to be the stuff, you would have a serious winner and also be the people's champion.
 
Well yes and no...if it was kept to one or two persons, it would be cool, but now every company that wants to can take a stab at it.

In any event, Amp does nothing for me, so I would like to get some of this stuff to see if higher dosing would work. We'll see what happens.
 
I freaking love Amp.

If you can get some of this stuff with your typical prices, I'll definately buy.
 
AMP also does jack for me as well...you guys know there is a serious potential for abuse with this right? I was under the impression that the caffeine content added to amp was to prevent overdosing of the active?
 
Enigma76 said:
AMP also does jack for me as well...you guys know there is a serious potential for abuse with this right? I was under the impression that the caffeine content added to amp was to prevent overdosing of the active?
I seriously doubt that. The caffeine content is not going to keep anyone from using large amounts of AMP. I think a person could take a triple dose before they even began to approach intolerable levels of caffeine.
 
Aeternitatis said:
I seriously doubt that. The caffeine content is not going to keep anyone from using large amounts of AMP. I think a person could take a triple dose before they even began to approach intolerable levels of caffeine.
Seems like I remember PA saying that he was hesitant to put it under his Giant label as a bulk product b/c of the potential to abuse it. I think namely snorting it.

I could be mistaken though.
 
Not yet...I got a few things ahead of this priority wise, so I do not have any hard leads on if it might be doable just yet.
 
Geranium (Pelargonium sp.) Essential Oil from Reunion. Minor Compounds: Acids, Phenols, Pyridines

Journal of Essential Oil Research: JEOR, Jan/Feb 2004 by Vernin, Gaston A, Chakib, Soundouss, Vernin, Genevieve M F, Zamkotsian, Rose Marie

The essential oil of geranium Bourbon (Pelargonium sp.) from Reunion was separated into acidic/phenolic and basic fractions by acido-basic extraction, respectively. The first fraction was converted into methyl esters and ethers (phenols). The two fractions were analyzed by GC/MS on a nonpolar column. In the acidic/phenolic fraction 75 compounds were separated, of which 30 were newly identified. In the basic fraction, two new pyridines-the 2isopropyl-4-methylpyridiiie, and the cis-3-(l-butenyl) pyridine-were identified among other unknown amino compounds.

Key Word Index

Pelargonium sp., Geraniaceae, geranium Bourbon, geranium oil, minor oil constituents.

Plant Name - Pelargonium sp.

One Kg of essential oil was kindly supplied by the CAHEB (Agricultural Cooperative of Essential oils Bourbon).

Previous Work

The chemical composition of Geranium oils have been widely studied. These works have been summarized by Lawrence (1) and in several theses (2-5). The first important work on the acidic fraction of geranium Bourbon was made by Ter Heide et al. (6) who identified 29 acids as free or methylated forms. Besides the usual alkanoic acids (C1 to C10), they reported the presence of some rnonoterpenic (neric, geranic, citronellic) and aromatic (benzoic, salicyclic and phenylacetic) acids. In addition to the acids, some pyridines have been identified in natural products (7-13). Our previous works on geranium oil (14,15) led us to undertake a further study on the minor compounds (acids, phenols and pyridines) of a geranium Bourbon oil.

Present Work

The basic fraction of the geranium oil was obtained according to the method of Toyoda et al. (16). After three extractions with a 10% solution of hydrogen chloride, acidic extracts were carefully washed (two times) with diethyl ether. After neutralization with a 20% diluted solution of sodium hydroxide, basic compounds were extracted with ether. The ethereal solution was dried over anhydrous sodium sulfate and then the solvent was evaporated under vacuum using a Rotavapor (yield: 10 ppm).

The acidic/phenolic fraction was separated according to the above reverse extraction procedure and methylated according to the method of Shaw and Kunerth (17). The two residues obtained were analyzed by GC on an OV-I nonpolar column (yield

GC/MS analysis was performed on a DELSI 700 gas Chromatograph combined with a Ribermag RlO-IO quadrupole mass spectrometer connected to a computerized system and the EPA/NIH data bank. The WCOT DB-I capillary column (50 m × 0.32 nun, film thickness 0.25 µm) was programmed from 70°-160°C at a rate of 2°C/min and then from 160°-300°C at 8°C/min. Carrier gas was helium with a flow rate of 1 mL/min and an inlet pressure of 0.8 bar. The identification of components was based on a comparison of recorded mass spectra and the calculated retention indices from scans (each 200 units)(18) either with those reported in the literature (19,20) or with our SPECMA 2000 data bank (21).

The identified aliphatic and terpenic methyl esters; phenol methyl ethers are listed in Table I (yield: 0.1%). New or tentatively identified compounds are indicated by an asterisk. Besides the well known linear aliphatic methyl esters, we also found the corresponding unsaturated and branched methyl derivatives, respectively (22). Among the terpenic acids: geranic, isogeranic, citronellic, chrysanthemic, neric and some unidentified acids were also found as methyl esters. In the weak phenolic fraction, only the presence of phenol, guaiacol, methyl benzoate, methyl salicylate, 4-methyl anisole, 2- methoxy acetophenone was detected. In the basic fraction obtained in very low amount (10 ppm) two pyridines were newly identifiedin geranium oils. They were 2-isopropyl-4-methylpyridine and (Z)-S-(l-butenyl) pyridine, accounting for 0.6% andO.8% of the mixture, respectively. Their mass spectra are identical to those previously reported by Tsuneya et al. (23) in spearmint oils. The last pyridine was also reported by Maurer and Hauser (12) in jonquil absolute. VVe also found the 2-methyl3-amino-l-pentene, some unidentified amino compounds, and several terpene alcohols, oxides and acetates. Owing to their veiy low threshold values, no doubt that the basic compounds should play an important role on the olfactive properties of geranium Bourbon oil.

The citronellyl diethylamine previously reported (24) in this oil was not found. Dimethyl-sulfoxide and -sulfone have also been identified. They arise from oxidation of dimethyl sulfide present in the geranium oil.

Acknowledgments

The authors are indebted to C. Chariot for recording GC/MS analysis.

References

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8. K. Sakurai and K. Takahashi, Chemical composition of fragrant materials. Part. VII. Pyridine derivatives in Peppermint oil. Agric. Biol. Chim., 47, 2307-2312 (1983).

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11. M. lshihara, T. Tsuneya, M. Shiga, S. Kawashima, K. Yamagishi, F. Yoshida, H. Sato and K. Uneyama, New Pyridine Derivatives and Basic Components in Spearmint oil (Mentha gentilis f. cardiaca) and peppermint oil(Menthapiperita). J. Agric. Food Chem., 40, 1647-1655 (1992), also published in ACS Symp. Series 525, Amer. Chem. Soc. 137-158, Washington, DC (1993).

12. B. Maurer and A. Hauser, Newpyhdine derivatives from essential oils. Chimia, 46, 93-95 (1992).

13. A. F. Thomas and F. Bassols, Occurrence of pyridines and other bases in orange oil. J. Agric. Food Chem., 40, 2236-2243 (1992).

14. G. Vernin, J. Metzger, D. Fraisse and F. Scharft, Etude des Huiles Essentielles par GC-SM-Banque SPECMA: Essences de Geranium. Parfums, Cosmet. Aromes, 52, 51-61 (1983).

15. D. Fraisse, C. Scharft, G. Vernin and J. Metzger, SPECMA Bank Application to the Study of Geranium Essential oils of Various Origins. IXth Int. Congr. Essential oils, Singapore (1983), Technical Paper, Book 3, 100-120 (1983).

16. T. Toyoda, S. Muraki and T. Yoshida, Chemical composition of fragrant materials. II. Pyridine and nicotinate derivatives in jasmin. Agric. Biol. Chem., 42, 1901-1905 (1978).

17. J.E. Shaw and D.C. Kunerth, Quantitative Conversion of Carboxylic Acids and Phenols to Esters and Ethers by Reaction of their Salts with Alkyl Halides. J. Org. Chem., 39, 1968-1970 (1974).

18. G. Vernin and C. Boniface, Identification Informatisee de Composes par Analyse Combinee Spectres de Masse-Indices de Kovats: le Programme SIMPA. Analusis, 15, 564-568 (1987).

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20. R. Adams, identification of Essential oil Components by Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectrometry. Allured Publ. Corp. Carol Stream, IL, USA (1995).

21. F. Colon and G. Vernin, The SPECMA 2000 data bank applied to flavor and fragrance materials, In: Instrumental Methods in Food and Beverages Analysis. Edits., D. Wetzel and G. Charalambous, Vol. 39, pp. 489-573, ElsevierSci. Publ. B.V., Amsterdam (1998).


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