M1t Pct Update

skumster225

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Thought I would update some people on my progress since ending a 5week M1T cycle..I am only paying attention to my strength and not weight because Rugby has began so right there that is about 200% more cardio than I have done in the last two months. Also my diet is more geared towards cutting right now so I am expecting to lose some weight. I started PCT at 40mg/Nolva a day and I am dropping it by 10mg each week. I am also taking Kreataine Ultra at 1 serving a day (not sure if that is put there properly guys due to the PN sponsor, if not than please get rid of it). So far off the top of my head I have gone up in deadlift, maintained in shoulder press, maintained in bench, and increased in bent over rows. Overall guys if you do the PCT right I think you should keep your gains from the M1T.. I know this has been mentioned in a different thread but maybe people should start looking at doing longer cycles than 2weeks. I think you gain too fast in a 2week cycle and that is why people are losing gains.. Just my $.02 cents.
 
no pct? that wasnt very smart, id say.. I think I read that it only takes 3 days for the m1t to shut you down..could be wrong though!
 
skumster225 said:
no pct? that wasnt very smart, id say.. I think I read that it only takes 3 days for the m1t to shut you down..could be wrong though!
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My Buddy did a 2 week m1t without PCT and keep everything. :)
 
skumster225 said:
no pct? that wasnt very smart, id say.. I think I read that it only takes 3 days for the m1t to shut you down..could be wrong though!
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You're right, I was FULLY suppressed sometime between Day 1 and Day 3.
 
There's no way you were fully suppressed by day 3. Studies show HPTA inhibition doesn't occur until around the 14 day mark. Nolva can reduce IGF levels, so by taking it when you don't need it can be counter productive.
 
What studies? Did you read supersoldiers thread on his bloodtests? No pct after m-1-t is dumb and will get you banned.
 
This individual in this thread -
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has some problems after his ph cycle with no pct even after 6months. Darwinian consequences await the unready consumer.
 
Ok, that guy was using ph for 8 weeks, not two. Anyway, your LHRH levels may be inhibited to some degree within the first two weeks. However, it is only after the two week period that the pituitary becomes inhibited. There's nothing wrong with using clomid or novla for pct. But many will see no noticeable difference if they used it or not.
 
WHy don't you post the studies that show the pituitary gland gets inhibited only after about 2 weeks?
 
E-Swift said:
There's no way you were fully suppressed by day 3. Studies show HPTA inhibition doesn't occur until around the 14 day mark. Nolva can reduce IGF levels, so by taking it when you don't need it can be counter productive.
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Okay so the $100,000+ Automated Chemiluminescence System was lying to me when it reported my LH being 0.57, FSH 0.60, and my testosterone being 39.10 DAY 3 of my M1T cycle, and LH at 0.00 and FSH at 0.02 at DAY 5. It must have been, because there is "no way I was fully suppressed." Really I just make this **** up for kicks.
 
supersoldier said:
Okay so the $100,000+ Automated Chemiluminescence System was lying to me when it reported my LH being 0.57, FSH 0.60, and my testosterone being 39.10 DAY 3 of my M1T cycle, and LH at 0.00 and FSH at 0.02 at DAY 5. It must have been, because there is "no way I was fully suppressed." Really I just make this **** up for kicks.
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bump...I don't want people to read this thread and think they can do a M1T cycle and no pct..Please do PCT!!
 
I was under the impression biochemically speaking that the hpta supression is only partial supression even after a very long cycle. Correct me if I am wrong. I still reccomend pct.
 
Excerpt from Bill Roberts, Inhibition and Recovery of Natural Testosterone Production

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"In principle, one could use an antiandrogen, but this would totally defeat the purpose of the cycle.
Where AAS doses are sufficient for good gains, an interesting pattern is seen. For the first two weeks of the cycle, only the hypothalamus is inhibited, and it produces much less LHRH as a result of the high levels of sex hormones it senses. The pituitary is not inhibited at all: in fact, it is actually sensitized, and will respond to LHRH (if any is provided) even moreso than normally. After two weeks however, the pituitary also becomes inhibited, and even if LHRH is provided, the pituitary will produce little or no LH. This then is a deeper type of inhibition. After this point, there seems to be no definite further "switching point" where inhibition again becomes deeper and harder to reverse. As a general rule, I would say that there seems to be little difference between using AAS for 3 weeks vs. 8 weeks: recovery is about the same either way. Between 8 and 12 weeks, it becomes more and more likely that recovery will be difficult and slow, though even at 12 weeks it is common for recovery to not be too problematic, taking only a few weeks. Cycles past 12 weeks seem much more likely to cause substantial problems with recovery. In the hundreds of consultations I have done for people with recovery problems, very few (I can recall two) were for very short cycles such as 6 weeks, while most were for usages of 12 weeks straight or more. "
 
Another update..Did shoulders yesterday and set all new high's with all three exercises....I have taken a different philosphy to this PCT..Normally I read about people keeping the calories high and cutting back on the volume however I decided to try something different..You have to find what works for you right? I am eating very clean and certainly a few less calories than before. Like I mentioned before I am doing a lot more cardio because of rugby. During my M1T cycle I never increased the volume, I just kept doing my same program. When PCT came I continued with the same program and I am happy with the results so far..I am on 20mg/Nolva a day and about 7days from being done.
 
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im on day 8 of pct after a 2 week cycle of m1t. i am down to 189 from 193 and have been holding there steady for the past 5 days. i'm satisfied.
 
E-Swift said:
Excerpt from Bill Roberts, Inhibition and Recovery of Natural Testosterone Production

... For the first two weeks of the cycle, only the hypothalamus is inhibited, and it produces much less LHRH as a result of the high levels of sex hormones it senses. The pituitary is not inhibited at all: in fact, it is actually sensitized, and will respond to LHRH (if any is provided) even moreso than normally. After two weeks however, the pituitary also becomes inhibited, and even if LHRH is provided, the pituitary will produce little or no LH. This then is a deeper type of inhibition. .."
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Yeah I read Bill's article too and often wondered which actual studies his conclusions were culled from. I disagree that 3-8 weekers are similar in the amount of suppression from the feedback on the boards.
 
ke0ki said:
im on day 8 of pct after a 2 week cycle of m1t. i am down to 189 from 193 and have been holding there steady for the past 5 days. i'm satisfied.
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i was 193 also down to 189 this morning .. 4th day.. arms are still same size and pumps in the gym are still strong... im happy.
 
MarcusG said:
Yeah I read Bill's article too and often wondered which actual studies his conclusions were culled from. I disagree that 3-8 weekers are similar in the amount of suppression from the feedback on the boards.
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Thats because he's completely wrong. A simple search on PubMed can show you that. Bill Roberts also is the one that said the D-bol was possible without any inhibition at all. He seemed to go nuts their for a while.
 
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