M1T and marijuana
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Yimen E.Cricket
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Go find your self some then.
Yimen E.Cricket
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I am getting jumped for cursing on a steroid board for fucks sake.
I see you posting right behind me. It looks like its you against me more likely.
I see you posting right behind me. It looks like its you against me more likely.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Yimen E.Cricket said:
I don't need to understand pot. Its the M1T that is not known about so your going to sit there and tell me its fine mixing the two when the pharmacology of one is basically unknown?
My point is when one drug causes a rise in BP, possible liver stress and host of other side effects withouth really understanding the pharmacology, its not wise to mix that drug with something else. Thats all I'm saying. Whether you smoke or not is up to you.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Yimen E.Cricket said:
You can say ****, ****, dick, cock, cunt or whatever you want, but when you refer to everyone as "you fuckers" then its a problem. Last time I check its not that flattering.
size
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Please.
The NATURAL statement is foolish. Do we want to start a list of natural substances that are harmful or will kill you?
The problem lies in the fact that most people have a difficult time being honest with themselves. How willing are to examine yourself and your situation and admit that it may cause problems? Most people do not like recognizing their daily faults and flaws and I do not blame them.
However, once you kick a habit, you can often see the problems that come with it.
I know this for a FACT from my own experiences and addictions.
Also, I agree with Bobo. The notion of mixing drugs w/o knowing possible interactions is not wise.
The NATURAL statement is foolish. Do we want to start a list of natural substances that are harmful or will kill you?
The problem lies in the fact that most people have a difficult time being honest with themselves. How willing are to examine yourself and your situation and admit that it may cause problems? Most people do not like recognizing their daily faults and flaws and I do not blame them.
However, once you kick a habit, you can often see the problems that come with it.
I know this for a FACT from my own experiences and addictions.
Also, I agree with Bobo. The notion of mixing drugs w/o knowing possible interactions is not wise.
Yimen E.Cricket
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Well,
I didnt direct my comments at anyone. I use fuckers in a respectable way most of the time when i direct it toward my friends and my closest friends get called muddafuckers.
Can you use m1t and smoke a little pot? Yes you Can.
Sifu, keep up the good work pal, i follow your posts all of the time.
Bobo, I dont have anything more to say on the subject.
I didnt direct my comments at anyone. I use fuckers in a respectable way most of the time when i direct it toward my friends and my closest friends get called muddafuckers.
Can you use m1t and smoke a little pot? Yes you Can.
Sifu, keep up the good work pal, i follow your posts all of the time.
Bobo, I dont have anything more to say on the subject.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Yimen E.Cricket said:
Wow. What logic. THat might be the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. Well at least I got a laugh out of this.
jweave23
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Wow, this topis went straight to the shitter, lol
If anyone is going to argue this point further, I suggest they do so with logic, reason, and critical thinking.
And BTW I could not possibly think of how there could be a specific negative reaction between marijuana and M1T.... especially considering I've smoked while on M1T.....and probably every other cycle I've been on.
The fact of the matter is this:
1. I will not tell you marijuana use is beneficial to your health, rather I'm downplaying the typical idea that it is "bad" for your health.
2. Depending upon your usage, we all know tar and carcinogens of burning marijuana are risks, these are the biggest problems with it IMO (vaporizer)
3. It can be used responsibily.....many people do so. It's the same thing with AAS if you would like a relevant analogy. Some people (gym idiots usually) do heavy D-bol only cycle for 6 months at a time or other stupid things (no PCT), and others use it responsibly....there is a difference and it should be noted.
4. If someone is not capable of using it responsibly, then they should not use it, but this applies to any substance (including food) Other that most of the negative opinions I hear are usually just a veiled reference to someone's moral and/or ethical standpoint on recreational drug use....that's fine, but call it what it is and not that it will necessarily negatively effect your personal goals.
And BTW Size if my responses are "typical" regarding marijuana use.....then so are yours, just in the other direction
If anyone is going to argue this point further, I suggest they do so with logic, reason, and critical thinking.
And BTW I could not possibly think of how there could be a specific negative reaction between marijuana and M1T.... especially considering I've smoked while on M1T.....and probably every other cycle I've been on.
The fact of the matter is this:
1. I will not tell you marijuana use is beneficial to your health, rather I'm downplaying the typical idea that it is "bad" for your health.
2. Depending upon your usage, we all know tar and carcinogens of burning marijuana are risks, these are the biggest problems with it IMO (vaporizer)
3. It can be used responsibily.....many people do so. It's the same thing with AAS if you would like a relevant analogy. Some people (gym idiots usually) do heavy D-bol only cycle for 6 months at a time or other stupid things (no PCT), and others use it responsibly....there is a difference and it should be noted.
4. If someone is not capable of using it responsibly, then they should not use it, but this applies to any substance (including food)
Other that most of the negative opinions I hear are usually just a veiled reference to someone's moral and/or ethical standpoint on recreational drug use....that's fine, but call it what it is and not that it will necessarily negatively effect your personal goals.And BTW Size if my responses are "typical" regarding marijuana use.....then so are yours, just in the other direction
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TopFuel
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What a great thread.....
Billions spent every year on the war against drugs.... while school systems are going broke and your kids are ending up one of the stupidest kids in the world.
MARIJAUNA users are being sent to jail for mandatory 1 yr in jail terms... Rapist, murders, child molesters, are being turned out on the streets daily to make more beds available for mandatory drug sentence’s.
People die on the streets because it is illegal everyday...make it illegal and put the money into the black market way of thinking...or as some ignorant member pointed out, funding terrorism. If anyone is putting the money from illegal drugs into terrorism it is our own Government with ignorant out of date drug laws.
Our government does not even have a clue, if they did they would make it legal just like booze, tax it and put the money back into the school systems, make more room in jail's for the real criminals.
Smoke everyday, have trucked MILLIONS of miles accident & ticket free and lead a very productive life.
Pot instead of valiums, zanex, would do us all better.
Billions spent every year on the war against drugs.... while school systems are going broke and your kids are ending up one of the stupidest kids in the world.
MARIJAUNA users are being sent to jail for mandatory 1 yr in jail terms... Rapist, murders, child molesters, are being turned out on the streets daily to make more beds available for mandatory drug sentence’s.
People die on the streets because it is illegal everyday...make it illegal and put the money into the black market way of thinking...or as some ignorant member pointed out, funding terrorism. If anyone is putting the money from illegal drugs into terrorism it is our own Government with ignorant out of date drug laws.
Our government does not even have a clue, if they did they would make it legal just like booze, tax it and put the money back into the school systems, make more room in jail's for the real criminals.
Smoke everyday, have trucked MILLIONS of miles accident & ticket free and lead a very productive life.
Pot instead of valiums, zanex, would do us all better.
MaDmaN
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After reading alot of posts and responses I am amazed how some here are so self righteous.I dont drink or smoke but used too.To assume that just because someones smokes a joint or drinks a beer that they are not serious is absured.I have trained with people who smoked before every workout and were big and shreded and one of them went on to win the universe...This guys asked a simple question and everyone jumps on him.He didn't come here for a morality lesson so if you have the answer then great if not save your preaching for ones that want to be preached too.....
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
jweave23 said:
So that makes it ok to suggest people to mix them? Thats ridiculous. Everytime I do testosterone I'm walking around with an enlarged left ventrical as are you but we both "feel" fine. There are side effects you don't feel that could cause possible health concerns. M1T itself is harsh enough, no need to gamble anymore. If you are, you might want to reconsider your goals in this sport.
jweave23
Registered User
Bobo said:
Ok, however that logic seems half-absent to me for one reason:
What are these possible "interactions" or "consequences" you think could possibly, maybe occur? One could apply that logic to any substance taken in conjunction with M1T, see where I'm going with this?
If you have a specific concern as to what would cause a negative reaction with the two, please post and we will discuss, otherwise you are walking on eggshells and slightly reaching IMO. I could see if it were a serious stimulant we are talking about here, but marijuana isn't known to be a significant stimulant.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
No I think your logic is half-absent when you tell people its ok when one of the drugs pharmacology is unknown.
The serious stimluant is M1T. Are you qualified enough to tell someone to mix both drugs because you haven't experience anything you could "feel"? Thats absurd and it surprises me your logic is telling you this. But I guess when its comes to marijauna, many people's logic tends to change.
The point is nobody knows what possible interaction it could have asM1T is virtually UNKNOWN! We alreayd have members who report side effects worse than most prescription drugs yet people say mix it with marijuana? Right.
The serious stimluant is M1T. Are you qualified enough to tell someone to mix both drugs because you haven't experience anything you could "feel"? Thats absurd and it surprises me your logic is telling you this. But I guess when its comes to marijauna, many people's logic tends to change.
The point is nobody knows what possible interaction it could have asM1T is virtually UNKNOWN! We alreayd have members who report side effects worse than most prescription drugs yet people say mix it with marijuana? Right.
jweave23
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Bobo said:
Let's get some things crystal clear:
1. I do not recommend mixing both, nor am I (or you) "qualified" to say whether or not a positive or negative reaction will occur when the two are mixed, so let's drop that point.
2. All I can do is provide my opinion from years of smoking marijuana and some combinations of use with anabolics. This is about as good as this is going to get, as there sure as hell will be no studies done in this specific niche. No one can guarentee thhat an adverse reaction will happen, but my logic is derived through direct experience. Should my opinion be the standard by which the bar is set? Maybe not, but should yours? The fact of the matter is anyone who is a responsible marijuana user would more than likely agree that interactions between it and M1T seem highly unlikely and stretching things. If we were talking about combining ephedra, clen, or other powerful stimulants with M1T this would be a different story, but marijuana is nowhere near in the same league....and to say it is is ridiculous.
3. You are bordering on implying that I "recommend" or "advise" people to use marijuana and M1T, which is not true at all. I am simply trying to provide a voice of reason from real world experience. I wouldn't say thjat anyone should use marijuana, but if they choose to do so with M1T it is my opinion that they will not have an adverse reaction.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Well thats different. If you don't recommened mixing them then we have nothing to debate on.
I'm not qualified to tell anyone to mix them as I would do so. But I also know that there isn't a doctor in the world that would recommend mixiung these two. A simple search showed that use of marijuana can cause an increase in heart rate and blood pressure.
Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of cannabinoids.
Grotenhermen F.
Nova-Institut, Hurth, Germany. [email protected]
Delta(9)-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the main source of the pharmacological effects caused by the consumption of cannabis, both the marijuana-like action and the medicinal benefits of the plant. However, its acid metabolite THC-COOH, the non-psychotropic cannabidiol (CBD), several cannabinoid analogues and newly discovered modulators of the endogenous cannabinoid system are also promising candidates for clinical research and therapeutic uses. Cannabinoids exert many effects through activation of G-protein-coupled cannabinoid receptors in the brain and peripheral tissues. Additionally, there is evidence for non-receptor-dependent mechanisms. Natural cannabis products and single cannabinoids are usually inhaled or taken orally; the rectal route, sublingual administration, transdermal delivery, eye drops and aerosols have only been used in a few studies and are of little relevance in practice today. The pharmacokinetics of THC vary as a function of its route of administration. Pulmonary assimilation of inhaled THC causes a maximum plasma concentration within minutes, psychotropic effects start within seconds to a few minutes, reach a maximum after 15-30 minutes, and taper off within 2-3 hours. Following oral ingestion, psychotropic effects set in with a delay of 30-90 minutes, reach their maximum after 2-3 hours and last for about 4-12 hours, depending on dose and specific effect. At doses exceeding the psychotropic threshold, ingestion of cannabis usually causes enhanced well-being and relaxation with an intensification of ordinary sensory experiences. The most important acute adverse effects caused by overdosing are anxiety and panic attacks, and with regard to somatic effects increased heart rate and changes in blood pressure. Regular use of cannabis may lead to dependency and to a mild withdrawal syndrome. The existence and the intensity of possible long-term adverse effects on psyche and cognition, immune system, fertility and pregnancy remain controversial. They are reported to be low in humans and do not preclude legitimate therapeutic use of cannabis-based drugs. Properties of cannabis that might be of therapeutic use include analgesia, muscle relaxation, immunosuppression, sedation, improvement of mood, stimulation of appetite, antiemesis, lowering of intraocular pressure, bronchodilation, neuroprotection and induction of apoptosis in cancer cells.
Mixing two drugs that can raise BP and heart rate is generally not a good idea. I mean this is just common sense.
I'm not qualified to tell anyone to mix them as I would do so. But I also know that there isn't a doctor in the world that would recommend mixiung these two. A simple search showed that use of marijuana can cause an increase in heart rate and blood pressure.
Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of cannabinoids.
Grotenhermen F.
Nova-Institut, Hurth, Germany. [email protected]
Delta(9)-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the main source of the pharmacological effects caused by the consumption of cannabis, both the marijuana-like action and the medicinal benefits of the plant. However, its acid metabolite THC-COOH, the non-psychotropic cannabidiol (CBD), several cannabinoid analogues and newly discovered modulators of the endogenous cannabinoid system are also promising candidates for clinical research and therapeutic uses. Cannabinoids exert many effects through activation of G-protein-coupled cannabinoid receptors in the brain and peripheral tissues. Additionally, there is evidence for non-receptor-dependent mechanisms. Natural cannabis products and single cannabinoids are usually inhaled or taken orally; the rectal route, sublingual administration, transdermal delivery, eye drops and aerosols have only been used in a few studies and are of little relevance in practice today. The pharmacokinetics of THC vary as a function of its route of administration. Pulmonary assimilation of inhaled THC causes a maximum plasma concentration within minutes, psychotropic effects start within seconds to a few minutes, reach a maximum after 15-30 minutes, and taper off within 2-3 hours. Following oral ingestion, psychotropic effects set in with a delay of 30-90 minutes, reach their maximum after 2-3 hours and last for about 4-12 hours, depending on dose and specific effect. At doses exceeding the psychotropic threshold, ingestion of cannabis usually causes enhanced well-being and relaxation with an intensification of ordinary sensory experiences. The most important acute adverse effects caused by overdosing are anxiety and panic attacks, and with regard to somatic effects increased heart rate and changes in blood pressure. Regular use of cannabis may lead to dependency and to a mild withdrawal syndrome. The existence and the intensity of possible long-term adverse effects on psyche and cognition, immune system, fertility and pregnancy remain controversial. They are reported to be low in humans and do not preclude legitimate therapeutic use of cannabis-based drugs. Properties of cannabis that might be of therapeutic use include analgesia, muscle relaxation, immunosuppression, sedation, improvement of mood, stimulation of appetite, antiemesis, lowering of intraocular pressure, bronchodilation, neuroprotection and induction of apoptosis in cancer cells.
Mixing two drugs that can raise BP and heart rate is generally not a good idea. I mean this is just common sense.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
If you didn't have the munchies so much, you wouldn't need all those!
It was too easy Jesse. You left that one wide open!
It was too easy Jesse. You left that one wide open!
Rokdog
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Bobo said:
Hey Bobo. What is meant by "overdosing" in this context? Do you know what percentage of marijuana users experience "acute adverse effects? Does "changes in blood pressure" equate an increase in blood pressure? Sometimes with text, it is hard to tell, but I'm not trying to be a smartass. TIA
MaDmaN
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size said:
Hey size thats cool I understand...but I have noticed alot of posts reguarding alcohol and drugs in this forum are met with such fury...Everyone knows that alcohol and any drug use is not(in a perfect world a good thing) but people are human.So when someone ask's a question like the one I responded too he is just looking for the answer not that pot smoking is bad and if your a real weightlifter you shouldn't be smoking it....That IMO will not get the job done or encouarge new peeps to this forum...but I respect your position...
VES
Member
I read that grapefruit juice has an effect on oral products like m1t. All those who say that it's unknown what the effect mixing two products together will be are correct. If a person is going to test the effects of mixing pot and m1t, pot and grapefruit juice, pot and gear, or pot and a movie like The Wall- then it's up to that person to determine if the effects are beneficial to them. Most people on this board are probably into experimenting to some degree, take a look at the homebrewing info, or the syno conversions, etc. I don't smoke, but I'd probably be more comfortable taking a hit of weed than going to Pep Boys and using Heet and so on to make test in a junior chemistry experiment...LOL...but people are doing it. Of course, I'm tempted to get down to Pep Boys even as I'm writing this...before Heet is taken off the shelves.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Rokdog said:
Not sure as if was just a report on the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of cannabinoids. Generally with reports such as that its anything over theraputic use and that dose is fairly low.
It also varies as this report is just on THC and that can vary as you know.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
VES said:
One problem, the pharmacology of all of those are understood. The interactions are known so therefore the results can be somewhat predicted if proper procedures are not followed. M1T is a mystery. Nobody even knowns for sure the metabolites or pathways used.
VES
Member
Exactly, in this case m1t is the mystery- not the pot...I guess I was more driving toward that we know the pharmacology of weed (in CA it's now legal to prescribe as a medication), but not m1t. So here are 3 pages of debate ranging from the various evils of smoking pot to the POV's of those who are for or against smoking it. That m1t is the unknown suggests that it might have potentially negative effects when combined with any number of substances- let alone pot. So, as much as it might be a good idea to avoid THC while taking m1t, it might be a good idea to avoid countless things while taking m1t. Once again, I think you have given us good reason to pause when considering taking products we don't yet understand, like m1t. M1T is not to be taken lightly.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Your exactly right. I don't care about the moral/ethical views of pot usage. I'm just concerned about the possible risks when mixing M1T with pot or as you state it, anything, especially other stimulants.
Yimen E.Cricket
Member
This board takes advice from beta testers.
Well, i beta tested The M1T and weed stack last month.
I had no problems except the normal m1t sides, i gained 12 lbs and alot of strength.
Pot does not raise my BP at all. M1t did raise my bp occasionally. And other times my bp was normal.
I am not advocating marijuana use. Im just posting my opinion. Please take it with a grain of salt.
Also, in my first post, I said a regular pot smoker could handle it. I do not recommend it to a first time user, cause that would be stupid.
Well, i beta tested The M1T and weed stack last month.
I had no problems except the normal m1t sides, i gained 12 lbs and alot of strength.
Pot does not raise my BP at all. M1t did raise my bp occasionally. And other times my bp was normal.
I am not advocating marijuana use. Im just posting my opinion. Please take it with a grain of salt.
Also, in my first post, I said a regular pot smoker could handle it. I do not recommend it to a first time user, cause that would be stupid.
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Yimen E.Cricket
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By the way, The m1T made me more lethargic and dopey than weed ever has.
We are all drug users here by the way. God bless us everyone!
We are all drug users here by the way. God bless us everyone!
Yimen E.Cricket
Member
Bobo said:
At least somebody sees my humor. Usually when i tell a funny, everybody just sits and stares in pity.
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