M1,4ADD - Finally Got It (Deca + Dbol PH)

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I've been trying to track down 2 PH's for a while - M1,4ADD and 1,4AD... Well I've finally been able to get my hands on some M1,4ADD. Big shout out and thank you to Cgkone on this one. I wouldn't have been able to get my hands on it without him...

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It's an interesting compound because although it converts to dbol at 15-20%, it is more related to boldione. Some more info on it from Anabolic Androgenic Research:

M1,4ADD is a prohormone that is proclamied to convert to the steroid Dianabol. The conversion rate of M1,4ADD to Dianabol -(Methandrostenolone) is around a fair 15-20%. But even in despite to its conversion to Dianabol, it is more related to Boldione due to (M-1,4ADD) also being converted by the enzyme 3HSD into dihydroboldenone making this compound very unique that it has characteristics of 2 potent steroids. M1,4ADD still has a little bit of anabolic activity on its own. M1,4ADD is a "WET" (aromatizing) compound. So the user can expect some estrogen related side-effects such as some water retention and possible bloating or aggitation or reappearance of existing or old cases of gyno. The use of a AI inhibiotor is not needed but recommended for sensitive users.

M1,4ADD is an oral pro-hormone that our liver processes, and it's a methylated compound that does give us some liver strain too. This is a compound that's somewhere in the range of mild to moderate, as far as side effects. It can have negative effects on our bodies' endocrine systems, cholesterol levels, estrogen, lipid values, and blood pressure. There might be some additional side effects that present themselves too.

Some people refer to this supplement as a wetter and more expensive Superdrol, and it's a good supplement if you want to make some gains. M1,4ADD has a conversion to Dianabol, and that's one of the reasons why it's become so popular with bodybuilders. A lot of people who have tried this supplement have had a great experience with it. The muscle mass and strength gains from taking this supplement are pretty consistent with user reviews across different sources. There was a lot of muscle mass gain reported for most users. Some of the pros are that if offered retained strength and gains, built muscle, was a good value, and had great pumps.


Now the first compound is what most sources seem to believe to be the target hormone of Max LMG. Between these 2 compounds I am expecting this product to be fairly wet, so I'm thinking of what dry compound I may want to stack this with. Either way, I'm excited to run this for my next cycle as I expect it to be great for bulking.
 
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Looking forward to hearing how you like it.
I loved it. Felt amazing the whole time.
I got a couple bottles on the shelf just staring at me.
Just not sure how to throw it in yet.
 
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I've been trying to track down 2 PH's for a while - M1,4ADD and 1,4AD... Well I've finally been able to get my hands on some M1,4ADD. Big shout out and thank you to Cgkone on this one. I wouldn't have been able to get my hands on it without him...

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It's an interesting compound because although it converts to dbol at 15-20%, it is more related to boldione. Some more info on it from Anabolic Androgenic Research:

M1,4ADD is a prohormone that is proclamied to convert to the steroid Dianabol. The conversion rate of M1,4ADD to Dianabol -(Methandrostenolone) is around a fair 15-20%. But even in despite to its conversion to Dianabol, it is more related to Boldione due to (M-1,4ADD) also being converted by the enzyme 3HSD into dihydroboldenone making this compound very unique that it has characteristics of 2 potent steroids. M1,4ADD still has a little bit of anabolic activity on its own. M1,4ADD is a "WET" (aromatizing) compound. So the user can expect some estrogen related side-effects such as some water retention and possible bloating or aggitation or reappearance of existing or old cases of gyno. The use of a AI inhibiotor is not needed but recommended for sensitive users.

M1,4ADD is an oral pro-hormone that our liver processes, and it's a methylated compound that does give us some liver strain too. This is a compound that's somewhere in the range of mild to moderate, as far as side effects. It can have negative effects on our bodies' endocrine systems, cholesterol levels, estrogen, lipid values, and blood pressure. There might be some additional side effects that present themselves too.

Some people refer to this supplement as a wetter and more expensive Superdrol, and it's a good supplement if you want to make some gains. M1,4ADD has a conversion to Dianabol, and that's one of the reasons why it's become so popular with bodybuilders. A lot of people who have tried this supplement have had a great experience with it. The muscle mass and strength gains from taking this supplement are pretty consistent with user reviews across different sources. There was a lot of muscle mass gain reported for most users. Some of the pros are that if offered retained strength and gains, built muscle, was a good value, and had great pumps.


Now the first compound is what most sources seem to believe to be the target hormone of Max LMG. Between these 2 compounds I am expecting this product to be fairly wet, so I'm thinking of what dry compound I may want to stack this with. Either way, I'm excited to run this for my next cycle as I expect it to be great for bulking.
When do you think you'll run it?
 
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I also got up to 90 mg a day but I bet most people hit the sweet spot at 60mg.
 
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I've been trying to track down 2 PH's for a while - M1,4ADD and 1,4AD... Well I've finally been able to get my hands on some M1,4ADD. Big shout out and thank you to Cgkone on this one. I wouldn't have been able to get my hands on it without him...

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It's an interesting compound because although it converts to dbol at 15-20%, it is more related to boldione. Some more info on it from Anabolic Androgenic Research:

M1,4ADD is a prohormone that is proclamied to convert to the steroid Dianabol. The conversion rate of M1,4ADD to Dianabol -(Methandrostenolone) is around a fair 15-20%. But even in despite to its conversion to Dianabol, it is more related to Boldione due to (M-1,4ADD) also being converted by the enzyme 3HSD into dihydroboldenone making this compound very unique that it has characteristics of 2 potent steroids. M1,4ADD still has a little bit of anabolic activity on its own. M1,4ADD is a "WET" (aromatizing) compound. So the user can expect some estrogen related side-effects such as some water retention and possible bloating or aggitation or reappearance of existing or old cases of gyno. The use of a AI inhibiotor is not needed but recommended for sensitive users.

M1,4ADD is an oral pro-hormone that our liver processes, and it's a methylated compound that does give us some liver strain too. This is a compound that's somewhere in the range of mild to moderate, as far as side effects. It can have negative effects on our bodies' endocrine systems, cholesterol levels, estrogen, lipid values, and blood pressure. There might be some additional side effects that present themselves too.

Some people refer to this supplement as a wetter and more expensive Superdrol, and it's a good supplement if you want to make some gains. M1,4ADD has a conversion to Dianabol, and that's one of the reasons why it's become so popular with bodybuilders. A lot of people who have tried this supplement have had a great experience with it. The muscle mass and strength gains from taking this supplement are pretty consistent with user reviews across different sources. There was a lot of muscle mass gain reported for most users. Some of the pros are that if offered retained strength and gains, built muscle, was a good value, and had great pumps.


Now the first compound is what most sources seem to believe to be the target hormone of Max LMG. Between these 2 compounds I am expecting this product to be fairly wet, so I'm thinking of what dry compound I may want to stack this with. Either way, I'm excited to run this for my next cycle as I expect it to be great for bulking.
I had no idea it conveyed to boldione too.
I thought the "on" feeling" was just simiar.
My sex drive shot up the first 3 weeks on it.
But that happens to me with Dbol.
 

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I had no idea it conveyed to boldione too.
I thought the "on" feeling" was just simiar.
My sex drive shot up the first 3 weeks on it.
But that happens to me with Dbol.
I know... that's what makes this compound so interesting and versatile. You can dose it higher if you're looking to bulk but you can probably also run it lower for more of a recomp. You're getting 2 potent steroids from this compound.

Not sure when I'm going to run it but it's definitely going to be my next cycle. I have 2 weeks left on my current cycle. I have an order that's on hold for some reason coming from overseas that I'm hoping comes in ASAP because it will have some useful stuff that I can run with this. I'm not sure what I'll use for estrogen control. I'll have some 6-bromo, formestane, etc. coming in, so I may run that instead of my exemestane or letro.
 
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I know... that's what makes this compound so interesting and versatile. You can dose it higher if you're looking to bulk but you can probably also run it lower for more of a recomp. You're getting 2 potent steroids from this compound.

Not sure when I'm going to run it but it's definitely going to be my next cycle. I have 2 weeks left on my current cycle. I have an order that's on hold for some reason coming from overseas that I'm hoping comes in ASAP because it will have some useful stuff that I can run with this. I'm not sure what I'll use for estrogen control. I'll have some 6-bromo, formestane, etc. coming in, so I may run that instead of my exemestane or letro.
When I ran it I used Exemestane.
I didn't have any retro issues.
It was easy to control.
 
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Im running dmz-msten combo from same brand right now. Its definitely doing its job. From the little experience i have with this brand they seem to be gtg
 
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If I didn’t know 210lbs and cgkone i would have thought this was a circle wank
Never seen this brand before, are they available in eu?
 

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If I didn’t know 210lbs and cgkone i would have thought this was a circle wank
Never seen this brand before, are they available in eu?
I was looking for any M1,4ADD and I couldn't find any domestically so I checked my usual European retailers and couldn't find it there either. I don't think anyone makes the compound anymore. I get most of my old school PH clones from over in Europe from brands like Brawn, but I don't think anyone is cloning this compound, which means only what was made is out there now.
 
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Lulz at that inaccurate write up.

M14ad and max lmg is a pretty stupid stack. Good luck. Bry17 didn’t you or hen do a profile on this? Shouldn’t the information on it be easy to find?
 

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Lulz at that inaccurate write up.

M14ad and max lmg is a pretty stupid stack. Good luck.
That write up on M1,4add is pretty consistent with every other write up out there that I've found. The only problem I see with stacking them is that it would make for a very wet product. What is it that you disagreed with?
 
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The conversion numbers are made up, so that off the bat tells me it’s paroted misinformation and the author doesn’t really know what they’re talking about.
There is no conversion into boldione or weaker boldiol.
Methyl 1,4 androstenediol May be drier for some d/t poor conversion into methyl 1,4 dihydrotestosterone.
Diol hormones are incapable of aromatization.
Water retention associated with the compounds is most likely from the kidneys.
People familiar with the use of anabolic steroids know that water retention and hypertension (high blood pressure) are potential side effects. This is due to the fact that all androgenic hormones have the capacity to cause some sodium retention (and hence water retention) through direct action via androgen receptors in the kidneys. Furthermore, anabolic steroids that are estrogenic or can convert to estrogens can cause even more sodium retention via additional interaction with renal (kidney) estrogen receptors. So it’s often thought that an anabolic steroids propensity for water retention is related to its potency both as an androgen and as an estrogen (manifested via aromatization to estrogenic metabolites).
Confusion has often arisen however when people have noticed that some steroids – which traditional thinking tells us should not result in extraordinary water retention – end up doing just that. Steroids that should not aromatize to estrogens such as oxymetholone (anadrol) and methyl-1-testosterone are known to result in extreme water retention in some individuals. A recent paper* suggests a heretofore unmentioned explanation for this.
There is an enzyme that is localized primarily in the kidneys whose function is to protect the kidneys from circulating cortisol. The kidneys have receptors called mineralcorticoid receptors (MR’s) which are meant to bind to specific adrenal hormones (called mineralcorticoids) in the body such as aldosterone. The result of this binding is a signal to increase sodium and water retention in the body, while stimulating the excretion of potassium. This is an important mechanism to maintain fluid and electrolyte balance in the body.
A problem exists though in that cortisol can also bind activate these receptors. Cortisol is a widely circulating hormone and serves a multitude of functions throughout the body. However its intended biological functions do not include mineralcorticoid action in the kidneys, so to prevent this from happening the kidneys are rich in the enzyme 11b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase 2 (11b-HSD2). This enzyme deactivates cortisol by converting it into cortisone before it can bind to the renal MRs.
Certain substances can block 11b-HSD2, and that can lead to problems. One example is a constituent of black licorice known as glycyrrhetinic acid. This enzyme inhibition potential is precisely why people that consume a lot of black licorice are known to retain water and experience high blood pressure and electrolyte disturbances. Interestingly, legend has it that Genghis Khan had his armies ingest licorice while on the march to prevent thirst and dehydration. Of course Genghis Khan had no idea that 11b-HSD2 inhibition was responsible for these effects, and today many have been similarly unaware that this property might be responsible for some of the salt/water effects of anabolic steroids.
The study I referred to earlier found that many anabolic steroids indeed do share the ability to block this enzyme, and some of them are as powerful as glycyrrhetinic acid. Fluoxymesterone (halotestin) in particular was shown to be about as potent as glycyrrhetinic acid in this regard. This makes sense, since fluoxymesterone shares the same 11b-OH group as cortisol and can be oxidatively metabolized by 11b-HSD2 in an analogous manner.
The fact that fluoxymesterone serves as a substrate for 11b-HSD2 in this manner makes it a competitive inhibitor of the enzyme. Other anabolic steroids were also found to be potent inhibitors of the enzyme as well, although the mechanisms for these are not clear as they do not share the 11b-OH group.
In addition to fluoxymesterone other 11b-HSD2 inhibitor steroids of interest are oxymetholone (anadrol), oxymesterone, and testosterone. The question arises as to how relevant this enzyme inhibiton is in the real world. Fluoxymesterone is generally not associated excess water retention, but then again doses used are relatively low (20mg or less per day). In contrast, oxymetholone is well associated with excess water retention and the doses used of that are often high (50-150mg per day). So this may be a dose related phenomenon. Another question that I have is what sort of inhibition might methyl-1-testosterone have, since it seems to be the worst water retaining and hypertensive steroid ever made. Few have had decent explanations for this and perhaps 11b-HSD2 inhibition is a culprit (the study did not test this steroid).
A final point of interest to mention here is the intriguing fact that 11-ketofluoxymesterone (the metabolite formed in the kidneys as mentioned previously) is actually a stronger anabolic steroid than fluoxymesterone according to animal tests. I find that interesting because one would also expect it to generally lack the troublesome enzyme inhibition that can lead to mineralcorticoid related disturbances. Maybe if the inventors of fluoxymesterone had decided to just simply oxidize the 11b-OH group they would have ended up with a more healthy and effective steroid to sell.
*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22273746
 
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Is this a US based company? Interested in the Trenavar they sell... seems odd their site shows 20$, which seems too good to be true, meanwhile other sites have it for 120$. How are they even selling this after the PH Ban???
 
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Kind sucks the deca like compound is stacked with it.
I just want the M14ADD.
 
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The conversion numbers are made up, so that off the bat tells me it’s paroted misinformation and the author doesn’t really know what they’re talking about.
There is no conversion into boldione or weaker boldiol.
Methyl 1,4 androstenediol May be drier for some d/t poor conversion into methyl 1,4 dihydrotestosterone.
Diol hormones are incapable of aromatization.
Water retention associated with the compounds is most likely from the kidneys.
But it is active before it converts to Dbol correct?
Because it feels like EQ when your on it.
Much more than Dbol.
 
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Yea, either of those compounds solo or stacked with dzine or epistane would be good.
Great for an all out bulk or strength cycle though.
 
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Yea, either of those compounds solo or stacked with dzine or epistane would be good.
Great for an all out bulk or strength cycle though.
I have no experience with the deca version.
But I was told its barely noticeable.
Ill be finding out here soon.
 
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But it is active before it converts to Dbol correct?
Because it feels like EQ when your on it.
Much more than Dbol.
Yea, the diol is able to bind to the ar, and it prevents aromatization into methyl estrogen,
But if any converts into 3-ketone dbol, it then can aromatize into methyl estrogen.
90-120 mg is usually the sweet spot for authentic m14add
 
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Yea, the diol is able to bind to the ar, and it prevents aromatization into methyl estrogen,
But if any converts into 3-ketone dbol, it then can aromatize into methyl estrogen.
90-120 mg is usually the sweet spot for authentic m14add
Yup 90 was KILLER.
Other than a weird combo do you see a problem running them.
 
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Yea, either of those compounds solo or stacked with dzine or epistane would be good.
Great for an all out bulk or strength cycle though.
You've taken the trenavar with this company??
 

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Why opt for PH rather than actual dbol and deca? Accessibility issues to real gear? Less sides?
 
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Why opt for PH rather than actual dbol and deca? Accessibility issues to real gear? Less sides?
The PH to Dbol is a complete ly different feel than dbol.
Then deca is kinda in the way but I'm not tripping
 

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The PH to Dbol is a complete ly different feel than dbol.
Then deca is kinda in the way but I'm not tripping
But what’s the reasoning for taking a PH like this instead of gear?
 

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The conversion numbers are made up, so that off the bat tells me it’s paroted misinformation and the author doesn’t really know what they’re talking about.
There is no conversion into boldione or weaker boldiol.
Methyl 1,4 androstenediol May be drier for some d/t poor conversion into methyl 1,4 dihydrotestosterone.
Diol hormones are incapable of aromatization.
Water retention associated with the compounds is most likely from the kidneys.
The 15-20% dbol conversion seems to be the standard on most places I've read about it, but that doesn't make it fact either. The deca compound is even more of an unknown. I've seen this compound stacked with other compounds in PH stacked products. I've heard it's the target hormone of Max LMG, but I've heard conflicting things about it being very wet, highly aromatizing, low androgenic activity, etc. I've also seen the dosages vary greatly but I'm guessing the accepted range is somewhere around 60-120mgs?
 
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Looking forward to hearing how you like it.
I loved it. Felt amazing the whole time.
I got a couple bottles on the shelf just staring at me.
Just not sure how to throw it in yet.
Oh man! Deff PMing you.
 
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I had no idea it conveyed to boldione too.
I thought the "on" feeling" was just simiar.
My sex drive shot up the first 3 weeks on it.
But that happens to me with Dbol.
Dbol gives me a rush, euphoria, crazy gains/strength, and a RAGING SEX DRIVE
 
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Why opt for PH rather than actual dbol and deca? Accessibility issues to real gear? Less sides?
They explained in the post that it's not exactly a ph to dbol... That it has its own benefits!
 
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But what’s the reasoning for taking a PH like this instead of gear?
M14add is its own compound...

Most PHs that were once believed to "convert" to something, end up being there own compound or a new roid all together.

I've taken m14add and dbol. Two different compounds!
 
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Yup 90 was KILLER.
Other than a weird combo do you see a problem running them.
No problem, just seems like a combo with a high chance of gyno occurring.
 
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The 15-20% dbol conversion seems to be the standard on most places I've read about it, but that doesn't make it fact either. The deca compound is even more of an unknown. I've seen this compound stacked with other compounds in PH stacked products. I've heard it's the target hormone of Max LMG, but I've heard conflicting things about it being very wet, highly aromatizing, low androgenic activity, etc. I've also seen the dosages vary greatly but I'm guessing the accepted range is somewhere around 60-120mgs?
Here’s a quick history lesson on conversion numbers:
Conversion numbers such as this stem from Patrick Arnold’s research paper/patent on 4-androstenediol/dione which stated 15% conversion from the diol precursor and I believe 5% from the dione. Everyone took this information without understanding it and ran with it.
The problem with the info is the research was done in vitro. This means in a Petri dish.
It does not translate into in vivo, meaning, in the body. first thing everyone is different. Second conversion isn’t a one way street and can go back and forth during the metabolism of the compound.
Because of factors like this, it is impossible to even guess what percent can convert. Any number thrown out is worthless. You may get 2% conversion, you may even get 99% conversion. Who knows. Depends on your genetics.

The deca compound listed is 13b ethyl nor testosterone. This is the target hormone of methoxy gonadiene. Aka Max LMG.
13a ethyl nor testosterone is banned I believe. They banned the wrong isomer of the compound. I forget the specifics but 13b ethyl not testosterone is legal, although it’s oral bioavailability is a guess.
It’s most likely not good, because I remember discussing these compounds with jake from anataeus labs (sp) back when I was tossing out ideas and for a reason I can’t remember it was said to try a bring 11a, 13b di ethyl nor test or something like that, ( a di-ethylated nor androgen though) but I’m pretty sure it was d/t how weak they (single ethylated compounds) were orally. The major concern though was progesterone receptor activity. And it never came about.
I had the vida numbers though and I remember the compound was extremely potent.
Max LMG undergoes a chemical reaction first in the stomach, becoming hopefully 13b ethyl nor androstenedione, then in the liver it can be converted into 13b ethyl nor testosterone. Ethylated nor androgens are said to have a stronger attraction for the progesterone receptor than regular nor testosterone. Ethylation and methylation are not the same, they are both types of alkylation with methylated groups usually being better for oral bioavailability. 18 methyl is another tricky way of writing 13b ethylation. But don’t let that fool you, this hormone is ethylated,
With all that said and done, it most likely, based off how the “deca” compound is dosed, contains Max LMG.
Which is ran around 75-150 mg’s.
I used to suggest stack dosage of Max LMG Be 75mg, and solo starting at 100mg’s. It stacked extremely well with dimethazine.
 

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Here’s a quick history lesson on conversion numbers:
Conversion numbers such as this stem from Patrick Arnold’s research paper/patent on 4-androstenediol/dione which stated 15% conversion from the diol precursor and I believe 5% from the dione. Everyone took this information without understanding it and ran with it.
The problem with the info is the research was done in vitro. This means in a Petri dish.
It does not translate into in vivo, meaning, in the body. first thing everyone is different. Second conversion isn’t a one way street and can go back and forth during the metabolism of the compound.
Because of factors like this, it is impossible to even guess what percent can convert. Any number thrown out is worthless. You may get 2% conversion, you may even get 99% conversion. Who knows. Depends on your genetics.

The deca compound listed is 13b ethyl nor testosterone. This is the target hormone of methoxy gonadiene. Aka Max LMG.
13a ethyl nor testosterone is banned I believe. They banned the wrong isomer of the compound. I forget the specifics but 13b ethyl not testosterone is legal, although it’s oral bioavailability is a guess.
It’s most likely not good, because I remember discussing these compounds with jake from anataeus labs (sp) back when I was tossing out ideas and for a reason I can’t remember it was said to try a bring 11a, 13b di ethyl nor test or something like that, ( a di-ethylated nor androgen though) but I’m pretty sure it was d/t how weak they (single ethylated compounds) were orally. The major concern though was progesterone receptor activity. And it never came about.
I had the vida numbers though and I remember the compound was extremely potent.
Max LMG undergoes a chemical reaction first in the stomach, becoming hopefully 13b ethyl nor androstenedione, then in the liver it can be converted into 13b ethyl nor testosterone. Ethylated nor androgens are said to have a stronger attraction for the progesterone receptor than regular nor testosterone. Ethylation and methylation are not the same, they are both types of alkylation with methylated groups usually being better for oral bioavailability. 18 methyl is another tricky way of writing 13b ethylation. But don’t let that fool you, this hormone is ethylated,
With all that said and done, it most likely, based off how the “deca” compound is dosed, contains Max LMG.
Which is ran around 75-150 mg’s.
I used to suggest stack dosage of Max LMG Be 75mg, and solo starting at 100mg’s. It stacked extremely well with dimethazine.
Ahh interesting. And ethylation equates to less liver toxicity I suppose? Because I was thinking of running this with another lighter methyl compound...maybe mechabol or something.
 
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Here’s a quick history lesson on conversion numbers:
Conversion numbers such as this stem from Patrick Arnold’s research paper/patent on 4-androstenediol/dione which stated 15% conversion from the diol precursor and I believe 5% from the dione. Everyone took this information without understanding it and ran with it.
The problem with the info is the research was done in vitro. This means in a Petri dish.
It does not translate into in vivo, meaning, in the body. first thing everyone is different. Second conversion isn’t a one way street and can go back and forth during the metabolism of the compound.
Because of factors like this, it is impossible to even guess what percent can convert. Any number thrown out is worthless. You may get 2% conversion, you may even get 99% conversion. Who knows. Depends on your genetics.

The deca compound listed is 13b ethyl nor testosterone. This is the target hormone of methoxy gonadiene. Aka Max LMG.
13a ethyl nor testosterone is banned I believe. They banned the wrong isomer of the compound. I forget the specifics but 13b ethyl not testosterone is legal, although it’s oral bioavailability is a guess.
It’s most likely not good, because I remember discussing these compounds with jake from anataeus labs (sp) back when I was tossing out ideas and for a reason I can’t remember it was said to try a bring 11a, 13b di ethyl nor test or something like that, ( a di-ethylated nor androgen though) but I’m pretty sure it was d/t how weak they (single ethylated compounds) were orally. The major concern though was progesterone receptor activity. And it never came about.
I had the vida numbers though and I remember the compound was extremely potent.
Max LMG undergoes a chemical reaction first in the stomach, becoming hopefully 13b ethyl nor androstenedione, then in the liver it can be converted into 13b ethyl nor testosterone. Ethylated nor androgens are said to have a stronger attraction for the progesterone receptor than regular nor testosterone. Ethylation and methylation are not the same, they are both types of alkylation with methylated groups usually being better for oral bioavailability. 18 methyl is another tricky way of writing 13b ethylation. But don’t let that fool you, this hormone is ethylated,
With all that said and done, it most likely, based off how the “deca” compound is dosed, contains Max LMG.
Which is ran around 75-150 mg’s.
I used to suggest stack dosage of Max LMG Be 75mg, and solo starting at 100mg’s. It stacked extremely well with dimethazine.
Someone did there homework!!!

 
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Ahh interesting. And ethylation equates to less liver toxicity I suppose? Because I was thinking of running this with another lighter methyl compound...maybe mechabol or something.
In theory, yea it should.
 

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Bry17 didn’t you or hen do a profile on this? Shouldn’t the information on it be easy to find?
We never did a profile on it, (M-1,4-ad-d) no; though we could have obv. I don't even think we drafted one, we just never got around to it. I think henry did a summarized one back in 2010 before the blog was made.
 
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We never did a profile on it, (M-1,4-ad-d) no; though we could have obv. I don't even think we drafted one, we just never got around to it. I think henry did a summarized one back in 2010 before the blog was made.
Have you taken it?
 
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Here’s a quick history lesson on conversion numbers:
Conversion numbers such as this stem from Patrick Arnold’s research paper/patent on 4-androstenediol/dione which stated 15% conversion from the diol precursor and I believe 5% from the dione. Everyone took this information without understanding it and ran with it.
The problem with the info is the research was done in vitro. This means in a Petri dish.
It does not translate into in vivo, meaning, in the body. first thing everyone is different. Second conversion isn’t a one way street and can go back and forth during the metabolism of the compound.
Because of factors like this, it is impossible to even guess what percent can convert. Any number thrown out is worthless. You may get 2% conversion, you may even get 99% conversion. Who knows. Depends on your genetics.

The deca compound listed is 13b ethyl nor testosterone. This is the target hormone of methoxy gonadiene. Aka Max LMG.
13a ethyl nor testosterone is banned I believe. They banned the wrong isomer of the compound. I forget the specifics but 13b ethyl not testosterone is legal, although it’s oral bioavailability is a guess.
It’s most likely not good, because I remember discussing these compounds with jake from anataeus labs (sp) back when I was tossing out ideas and for a reason I can’t remember it was said to try a bring 11a, 13b di ethyl nor test or something like that, ( a di-ethylated nor androgen though) but I’m pretty sure it was d/t how weak they (single ethylated compounds) were orally. The major concern though was progesterone receptor activity. And it never came about.
I had the vida numbers though and I remember the compound was extremely potent.
Max LMG undergoes a chemical reaction first in the stomach, becoming hopefully 13b ethyl nor androstenedione, then in the liver it can be converted into 13b ethyl nor testosterone. Ethylated nor androgens are said to have a stronger attraction for the progesterone receptor than regular nor testosterone. Ethylation and methylation are not the same, they are both types of alkylation with methylated groups usually being better for oral bioavailability. 18 methyl is another tricky way of writing 13b ethylation. But don’t let that fool you, this hormone is ethylated,
With all that said and done, it most likely, based off how the “deca” compound is dosed, contains Max LMG.
Which is ran around 75-150 mg’s.
I used to suggest stack dosage of Max LMG Be 75mg, and solo starting at 100mg’s. It stacked extremely well with dimethazine.
I just reread this and it's good to know that it sounds like the standard dosage requested on the bottle is about right.
I know 60mg of M14ADD is a good start.
 
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