M-LMG = deca

kanakafarian said:
When you look at the whole picture, LMG would be cheaper to run than bola. If you're a good responder to LMG, one bottle will do you good. For myself, one 90ct bottle would be a 4 week run @75mg per day and I get drastic results. But everyone is different so you'll never know unless you give it a try.
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How is your recovery time from M-LMG during PCT compared to other PH\DS compounds.
 
badbart said:
How is your recovery time from M-LMG during PCT compared to other PH\DS compounds.
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Again, maybe I'm the odd one here but LMG seems to run good well into PCT. I'll even gain strength--not necessarily size--at least a week into it and recovery times are excellent for the first 2 weeks. Then I notice it levels off somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd week. Then my strength slows down and I start to lose a little bit of size. And for me, the gains aren't "wet" as many people here would say. Overall, LMG does my body good and I retain a lot of strength and size. I may be that 10% who responds VERY well to the compound and that's why it's my favorite. My current run is now on the 7th day with DMZ but I don't notice anything different with the D mixed in there. I should've just stuck with LMG alone but it's pre-stacked (Dieselbolan V2.0) so I'm outta luck.
 
kanakafarian said:
Again, maybe I'm the odd one here but LMG seems to run good well into PCT. I'll even gain strength--not necessarily size--at least a week into it and recovery times are excellent for the first 2 weeks. Then I notice it levels off somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd week. Then my strength slows down and I start to lose a little bit of size. Overall, LMG does my body good and I retain a lot of strength and size. I may be that 10% who responds VERY well to the compound and that's why it's my favorite. My current run is now on the 7th day with DMZ but I don't notice anything different with the D mixed in there. I should've just stuck with LMG alone but it's pre-stacked (Dieselbolan V2.0) so I'm outta luck.
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I'm curious because Deca shuts people down pretty hard.
 
ima giv lmg a shot and bridge with sd to dry up the gains, hows this look, should i do lmg at 75 or 50 on the forth week or just stop after 3 weeks?

lmg 50/75/75
sd 00/00/20/20/20
 
phatmike0704 said:
ima giv lmg a shot and bridge with sd to dry up the gains, hows this look, should i do lmg at 75 or 50 on the forth week or just stop after 3 weeks?

lmg 50/75/75
sd 00/00/20/20/20
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That's way too short on LMG. I personally run 75mg for 5 weeks and get awesome results. It starts kicking in on the 2nd week for me and I dose 50mg for the first 3 days then go to 75mg. There's no need to run 50 for an entire week. I'm sure a lot of people will suggest higher dosages but try the 75 because you might be like me and have no need to up it. And I'd start off with the SD than bridge to LMG. That's just me though.
 
I've seen stacking epi/havoc with lmg is great for a cut cycle. But, I haven't seen it mentioned here, so I just want to get some input on that.

From what I've seen this would be one way to run the stack:

lmg 50/100/100/100/100/100
epi 30/40/40/40/40/40

Would bridging be a better option? What about dosage?

I plan on running both, just trying to decide the best way to do it.

Any thoughts?
 
azIce said:
I've seen stacking epi/havoc with lmg is great for a cut cycle. But, I haven't seen it mentioned here, so I just want to get some input on that.

From what I've seen this would be one way to run the stack:

lmg 50/100/100/100/100/100
epi 30/40/40/40/40/40

Would bridging be a better option? What about dosage?

I plan on running both, just trying to decide the best way to do it.

Any thoughts?
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I've said it many times before, I honestly think people jump to high dosages way too quick. If I were you, I'd try 75mg on LMG and 30 on Epi before going up to 100/40. Your goal here is to find a dosage that's beneficial for you without the sides, so for one to suggest 100mg off the bat is stupid in my opinion, not to mention a waste of money if lower dosages do the same thing. If at 75/30 you're not responding, then maybe bump it up.

I'm currently on an LMG/DMZ run right now but I was initially going to do an LMG/EPI. I was personally going to do LMG 75mgx5 weeks and EPI 30mg x5 weeks.
 
kanakafarian said:
I've said it many times before, I honestly think people jump to high dosages way too quick. If I were you, I'd try 75mg on LMG and 30 on Epi before going up to 100/40. Your goal here is to find a dosage that's beneficial for you without the sides, so for one to suggest 100mg off the bat is stupid in my opinion, not to mention a waste of money if lower dosages do the same thing. If at 75/30 you're not responding, then maybe bump it up.

I'm currently on an LMG/DMZ run right now but I was initially going to do an LMG/EPI. I was personally going to do LMG 75mgx5 weeks and EPI 30mg x5 weeks.
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I definitely agree there is no need to use a higher dosage when it's not needed. From what I've seen you are one of the few that dose at 75 for the entire run. It's worth a try. Hopefully I see the same results at that lower dosage. Two weeks should give me a good idea if I need to move up or not. I am about 25 lbs heavier then you though.
 
azIce said:
I definitely agree there is no need to use a higher dosage when it's not needed. From what I've seen you are one of the few that dose at 75 for the entire run. It's worth a try. Hopefully I see the same results at that lower dosage. Two weeks should give me a good idea if I need to move up or not. I am about 25 lbs heavier then you though.
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Yeah, I hadn't noticed your bodyweight, though I'd still suggest a lower dosage to see how it works for you. My buddy back home was 6'1" 210lbs and he took LMG alone at 80mg (Generic Labz X-Mass 40mg caps) a couple years back and blew up to 230lbs, solid. Everyone was saying he looked like The Rock. He was a beast!
 
carbcrazy said:
how long of a cycle did your friend run at 80mg to achieve 20lbs?
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4 weeks. You have to keep in mind that we eat like horses and train hard. We're both from powerlifting backgrounds and train accordingly. If you check out my log, you'll see that I still train with doubles and triples all the time, and will still throw singles in there once in a while.
 
ill run the lmg then for 5 weeks and start SD into 3rd or 4th week
 
would an ECA be bad to run while on lmg? i mainly wanna bulk but get some definition a bit also and cardio would be only once or twice a week so i dont eat muscle away
 
BUMP!!!

I would like to know if there are other guys who have used M-LMG. I wonder if they have had strength gains.
 
This is a pretty old post, but I'll chime in. The OP was dead on with the deca comparison. For me, there was libido shutdown, but I think that would back off at higher dosages. You'll see some good gains, and be yelling at yourself for not training hard enough when the soreness is mild the next day. Keep 2 things in mind though, specifically pertaining to the progestagenic element...

1. You will be shut down very quickly by this, so avoid pulsing.
2. The gyno effect seems to be completely dependent on luck of the gene pool. What works for one guy is a totally different story for you.

BTW you can get some very good strength gains from this OR Deca, and I don't give a damn what anyone says about the androgenic component being weak. Standalone, you will see strength gains comparable to epi with MLMG.
 
13b ethyl nor testoterone, this is the target hormone for methoxygonadiene.

Two chances to aromatize, as nor androstenedione, or as nor testosterone.

Seeing how deca is just esterfied nor testosterone, of course the effects will be similar.

And it is not very androgenic.
 
Always wanted to try buy scared of gyno.
 
Dbeezy said:
Deca is serious fu*king juice. This max lmg sh*t shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
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Look child. We're not talking about max lmg it's m-lmg. And this opinion is a comparison of two products I and others have taken, not some speculative construct based on conjecture. You need to stop thinking of legal orals as somehow nonsteroidal or illegitimate versions of steroids. They are active, potent anabolic agents with multiple receptor targets and significant profiles for both positive and negative effects. You should treat them equally seriously.

BTW, anyone who has ever taken deca knows you can't put on even 8 lbs of muscle a month into a nandrolone cycle without stacking, and those gains are quite possible with appropriately dosed MLMG. Ultimately you can gain more on deca since you would take it longer (usually 12+ weeks) but one is just as serious as the other.
 
Um m-lmg is max lmg I believe. You probably be insulting him when he was right about the compound.

Oral vs inject is a different story and im sick of everyone arguing one way or the other. It's personal choices
 
Dbeezy said:
Deca is serious fu*king juice. This max lmg sh*t shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
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Apparently you failed to read my post, as well as posted without knowing anything about steroids.
 
jamesm11 said:
Um m-lmg is max lmg I believe. You probably be insulting him when he was right about the compound.

Oral vs inject is a different story and im sick of everyone arguing one way or the other. It's personal choices
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Well the original max lmg was phera plex (desoxymethyltrstosterone)

But later became the methoxygonadiene compound you know today.
 
jbryand101b said:
Well the original max lmg was phera plex (desoxymethyltrstosterone)

But later became the methoxygonadiene compound you know today.
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Gotcha. Yeah I like 15 in the 04 ban when phera was gone. So I'm not too knowledgable able to older stuff.

But I agree on the orals vs injects. People need to get over these differences
 
kanakafarian said:
4 weeks. You have to keep in mind that we eat like horses and train hard. We're both from powerlifting backgrounds and train accordingly. If you check out my log, you'll see that I still train with doubles and triples all the time, and will still throw singles in there once in a while.
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Im search for you log... Was it wet gains? Lots of bloat? No gyno?
 
M-LMG + Dzine + EPI current. Killing it. No bloat, no gyno issues, insane recovery (training 7 days a week), strength keeps going up even though i'm in a caloric deficit... need i say more?
 
jbryand101b said:
Well the original max lmg was phera plex (desoxymethyltrstosterone)

But later became the methoxygonadiene compound you know today.
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Are you sure? Are you thinking of Ergo Max / E...Max LMG, not to be confused with Max LMG. :D

EDIT: Search this thread title over at PHF -
[h=2]Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) was it ALRI E-Max LMG? [/h]
 
stxnas said:
Are you sure? Are you thinking of Ergo Max / E...Max LMG, not to be confused with Max LMG. :D

EDIT: Search this thread title over at PHF -
Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) was it ALRI E-Max LMG?
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ergomax LMG (which was 3-ene AND phera, a blend of 2-ene alpha and beta isomers).
Max LMG has always been 13-ethyl.,

How I have longed for a straight 3-ene product, ergomax lmg was the shiznit.

ON subject, I have some old Gerneric LAbz 40mg Max lmg (and phera), and 2 weeks left of a Hdrol cycle in me. Probably a bad idea to tack on at the end of a cycle, but I don't think I can hold onto it for much longer.
Max LMG or phera (If I do) ??
 
I was thinking epi for my next cycle... Not a methyl fan so I'm like what the hell why not some max-LMG
 
AaronJP1 said:
I was thinking epi for my next cycle... Not a methyl fan so I'm like what the hell why not some max-LMG
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I've been considering epi with max lmg. Seems the most logical to me
Only problem was I ran a few testing logs for epi when it came out and didn't notice much; although at the time I only went to 40mg at the tail end.
Now doses at 50mg+ are "acceptable".

..I mean, I already have a hell of a time walking through my doorway ;P
lol
 
stxnas said:
Are you sure? Are you thinking of Ergo Max / E...Max LMG, not to be confused with Max LMG. :D

EDIT: Search this thread title over at PHF -
[h=2]Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) was it ALRI E-Max LMG? [/h]
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Yes that's what in talking about. Max lean mass gains.

What beta isomer is that guy talking about? And what 3-ene compound?
 
Emax LMG (aka Ergomax LMG) was not the same as Max LMG.

I want to say that Emax LMG was supposedly a racemic mixture of 2-ene and 3-ene DMT. The following clones claimed to be xxx% of 2-ene. Whether or not that is actually economically viable is different story. I honestly don't know, though. :D
 
Maybe I'm confusing something different. It's admittedly been years since I've studied Organic. What would constitute an Alpha or Beta Isomer of DMT?

EDIT: My question is whether or not 3-ene is actually an isomer of DMT or if it's a different steroid? If it's a different steroid, what is the difference between the Alpha and Beta isomers or DMT? I'm asking in regards to structure, not androgenic/anabolic characteristics. It's just the placement of the double bond, right?
 
stxnas said:
Maybe I'm confusing something different. It's admittedly been years since I've studied Organic. What would constitute an Alpha or Beta Isomer of DMT?
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Not at home now, on my phone, so can't look an see.
 
The more I think about it, the more I think I'm confusing two different areas of concern. 3-ene vs 2-ene is more of an issue of two different androgens to where a racemic mixture of Alpha and Beta will come from topic that we've seen with superdrol clones, too - 5a isomer vs 5b isomer. Does this make more sense to you, now?
 
yes, i was going to ask you if you mean 5a androstane or 5b androstane.

5b androstane steroids dont work, or dont work well from what i've read.

2-3 ene (as in dmt) or 3-4 ene would make it a different steroid.


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see the ene bond on the 2-3 position, if it was 3-ene, it would be located on the 3-4 position, and ultimately a different compound.

quick search and I couldn't find any info on any 3-ene steroids.
 
That makes sense to not find many 3-ene androgens considering how many steroids have a ketone at the 3 position. I guess that would actually make sense as to why you don't see many 2-ene androgens, either. :thinking:

EDIT: This conversation now has me curious about resonance and androstane metabolism. I wonder if they both would result in the same final product after oxidation...? I don't even know where to begin looking up something like that, though. LOL.
 
The acronym for phera, (dmt) always made me think of a different dmt and staring at Alex grey paintings in college lol.
 
stxnas said:
That makes sense to not find many 3-ene androgens considering how many steroids have a ketone at the 3 position. I guess that would actually make sense as to why you don't see many 2-ene androgens, either. :thinking:

EDIT: This conversation now has me curious about resonance and androstane metabolism. I wonder if they both would result in the same final product after oxidation...? I don't even know where to begin looking up something like that, though. LOL.
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Ill bring it up with pa
 
UnrealMachine said:
My experience with Max-LMG is getting terrible gyno before I could get gains of any kind and having to quit the cycle because it was invincible progestin gyno that laughs at letrozole and nolva.
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Would running Adex instead of letro or nolva make a difference???
 
what do you mean real gear? you think there is a difference between the androgens you buy at your fav sup shop and what you buy from a ug lab?
 
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