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M-Drol PCT

gaijininjapan

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So I'm currently planning my M-Drol cycle, and would like some input on the PCT. I'm located in Japan, where many things are rather hard or extremely expensive to come by... so I have to get my stuff shipped to me by a friend or through bb online store. I'm 27, 75kg, and about 16-17% bf. I don't want to get HUGE, but would like to definitely fill out my current wardrobe a bit more. My Ideal would be about 80kg at <14% bf.

I'm planning to run a 3-4 wk cycle of 10/20/20/(20). The 4th wk is not definite yet, depending on how I feel after the 3rd.

One week prior to start of MDrol
Start CEL cycle Assist following label directions
Taurine 3mg
Red Yeast Rice + CoQ10 supplement at 1200mg/60mg

Cycle 3-4wks
Mdrol 10/20/20/(20)
Taurine 5mg
Red Yeast Rice + CoQ10 supplement at 1200mg/60mg

PCT 3wks
CEL PCT Assist following label directions
Red Yeast Rice + CoQ10 supplement at 1200mg/60mg for first week

PCT Nolva dosing
day1 - Nolva 60mg
day 2-11 Nolva 40mg
day 12-21 Nolva 20mg

I've looked on several sites online for Nolva, and it seems like almost every site has a corresponding "ripoff alert" associated with it for some other drug other than Nolva... I'm about to purchase for 2-3 sites just to be sure I have my Nolva... since I am somewhat on a time limit to finish my cycle + PCT prior to the end of this year, or start Jan of next year...

Also, should I run Nolva during the cycle as well? it seems to be save for longer durations and possibly could be run at the start of the cycle through the end of PCT.

As for CEL PCT assist, would 3wks be okay, or should I run the entire bottle for 30 days? What other OTC PCT is available besides Rebound XT?
 
gaijininjapan said:
So I'm currently planning my M-Drol cycle, and would like some input on the PCT. I'm located in Japan, where many things are rather hard or extremely expensive to come by... so I have to get my stuff shipped to me by a friend or through bb online store. I'm 27, 75kg, and about 16-17% bf. I don't want to get HUGE, but would like to definitely fill out my current wardrobe a bit more. My Ideal would be about 80kg at <14% bf.

I'm planning to run a 3-4 wk cycle of 10/20/20/(20). The 4th wk is not definite yet, depending on how I feel after the 3rd.

One week prior to start of MDrol
Start CEL cycle Assist following label directions
Taurine 3mg
Red Yeast Rice + CoQ10 supplement at 1200mg/60mg

Cycle 3-4wks
Mdrol 10/20/20/(20)
Taurine 5mg
Red Yeast Rice + CoQ10 supplement at 1200mg/60mg

PCT 3wks
CEL PCT Assist following label directions
Red Yeast Rice + CoQ10 supplement at 1200mg/60mg for first week

PCT Nolva dosing
day1 - Nolva 60mg
day 2-11 Nolva 40mg
day 12-21 Nolva 20mg

I've looked on several sites online for Nolva, and it seems like almost every site has a corresponding "ripoff alert" associated with it for some other drug other than Nolva... I'm about to purchase for 2-3 sites just to be sure I have my Nolva... since I am somewhat on a time limit to finish my cycle + PCT prior to the end of this year, or start Jan of next year... any references for a reliable source would be welcome as well.

Also, should I run Nolva during the cycle as well? it seems to be save for longer durations and possibly could be run at the start of the cycle through the end of PCT.

As for CEL PCT assist, would 3wks be okay, or should I run the entire bottle for 30 days? What other OTC PCT is available besides Rebound XT?
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def get some nolvadex aka (Tamoxifen Citrate).if your pressed for time wait till you can do the entire cycle correctly.also you can't ask for sources here so remove that from your post quickly..as far as running nolva while on cycle I wouldn't do it.if your worried about gyno pick up some famara to run on cycle though running an ai while on cycle has been known to affect gains but its better than growing a pair of DD's anyday.Also your pct looks funny with the first day running it at 60,.the dosing of 40,40,20,10 or 40,20 20 10 or etc is fine. To be honest however from your post it seems you have little experience with this sorta stuff so I will ask what is you ph/ds background I just don't want you to hurt yourself.
 
get some fat burner and cut down to <14% body fat naturually man, you will have a much better time when you cycle. So run a 6 week cutting cycle eating extremely clean, then once you get back on the mdrol for your cycle at the end of that you will put on even more muscle as your body bounces back and is ready to put on muscle plus it seems that most guys with lower bodyfat tend to have less gyno issues.

no need to take nolva while on mdrol. your pct looks pretty good but I prefer clomid. I would also suggest running the mdrol at 10mg for the first two weeks and then doing 20mg at two more weeks. if this if your first cycle also, DON'T use mdrol, try something like epi or hdrol and you will be much faster. mdrol is serious stuff with serious sides that can seriously hurt you if you do this wrong.
 
As I understand it, Nolva you just run 20/20/20/20, or even drop it to 10 the last week. If it were Clomid, thats when you would start off at a high dose and taper it back.
 
I've done a cycle of Methyl 1-D a few years ago and did a short cycle of andro before that. Otherwise, it's just been mostly mild OTC supplements. I'll go with the 10/10/20/20 dosing and see how that works out for me on the mdrol. I didn't have any negative sides while on either cycles, so I think I should be okay w/ the mdrol.


As for the PCT, I got most of the info from an article from muscletalk in the UK. I've been doing a lot of research on PCT, and this just seemed to be the most conservative recommendation, so that's why I chose it.
 
M1D and Andro are nothing compared to super. Compare it to having a miller lite then trying a shot of Everclear grain alcohol. Super has the potential for awesome gains, the caveat is that it also carries the potential for sides that are just as bad. Gains from super are also hard to keep, being that since the cycle is short your body has not had time to solidify the gains. Some loss is unavoidable because super craves carbs and loads alot into the muscles. So be advised that your diet and training need to be tip top during and all through pct and for a month or so after if you want to keep muscle.
 
That one of the reasons why I wanted to try a cycle of this stuff. :-)
I got lots of time to train, eat, rest... Although I can't necessarily eat super clean, I don't eat all bad either.

Seems like I just have to wait and see if my SERM arrives... or maybe I should just put down the money for the liquid version?
 
It's against forum rules to ask that...

But anyways, I got a shipment notification, no tracking of course, so I'll see if my order arrives...

Should I order the liquid version as well just in case? that's more money I don't really want to spend though since it's quite expensive....
 
I'm in the same boat about these sites. Every site I have checked looks and feels like a scam. I'm really starting to wonder what people are really taking, if it's really nolva or clomid. It seems like it's very easy for a lot of people to track it down, but I haven't found a place that I feel remotely comfortable providing my CC information or taking their product. If anyone has a reputable resource PM me.
 
man you guys have to try a site and just see what happens.

Whatever you charge on a CC and always be charged back and you will get your money back if the company cant provide proof you got their package.

I was a total newbie (well not that long ago too) and have found somewhere to get my clomid from.
 
gymrat827 said:
man you guys have to try a site and just see what happens.

Whatever you charge on a CC and always be charged back and you will get your money back if the company cant provide proof you got their package.

I was a total newbie (well not that long ago too) and have found somewhere to get my clomid
from.
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Second this. Just have to make your best guess.
 
I ordered form 2 different sites, one from what I found on google, the other from a recommendation from another forum that doesn't have rules about supplier discussions. Both orders shipped form India, and I got tracking from one which shows it left India yesterday...

Can't give references because I don:t want to be banned from AM.... so don't ask me. I suggest you use a card w/ a low limit, or call to place a purchase limit on it. Credit cards have fraud protection, so don't worry too much about fraud. Also, as stated on several other sites, Nolva is sooooo cheap to manufacture, that fakes are highly highly unlikely. Unlike some other meds which are more expensive.

Can't wait tile my stuff arrives... :-D
 
I just got to uncomfortable buying research chems. I never felt I knew what I was taking. So I finally, like gymrat said, took a gamble and tried a site that advertised the real deal without a script. I got lucky and it's became a very reliable source for the last three years. It's definitely more money than research chems. But at least I have the comfort knowing the I am taking a real serm when it comes time to bring my body back from being shutdown.
 
I hope you have forma-stanzol for an AI...

Use it during PCT at 5 pumps 2x a day for weeks 1-2
Then taper down 4 pumps 2x a day week 3
And down to 3 pumps 2x a day week 4- and so forth till the bottle runs you.

You must remember a SERM will do nothing to bring down your estrogen levels and might even raise them. Tapering down with the with Forma-Stanzol starts chipping away at your estrogen levels slowly which nolva does NOT do. This slow decline in estrogen = no rebound whatsoever.
 
I was under the impression that an AI was not necessary since M-Drol doesn't aromatize. I have a SERM... will I need an AI, or is this just an added benefit? Also, since Nolva blocks the est receptors, couldn't I just stay on the Nolva for an additional week or 2 until my hormone levels naturally recover? From the research that I've done, taking OTC PCT in addition to a SERM would be sufficient.
 
gaijininjapan said:
I was under the impression that an AI was not necessary since M-Drol doesn't aromatize. I have a SERM... will I need an AI, or is this just an added benefit? Also, since Nolva blocks the est receptors, couldn't I just stay on the Nolva for an additional week or 2 until my hormone levels naturally recover? From the research that I've done, taking OTC PCT in addition to a SERM would be sufficient.
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SD doesn't aromatize on cycle correct.

Your best bet for a PCT would be this

Clomid(if needed)
Forma Stanzol
Post cycle/Unleashed combo

That pretty much covers everything you need for post cycle therapy.

Now there's other goodies you can throw in as well, Phytoserms 347 which will be out soon would be a great addition.

And after PCT is up following with some Bridge by NTBM is always a great idea as well. Just some stuff to check into my friend, hope this helps ;)
 
BarbellBeast said:
SD doesn't aromatize on cycle correct.

Your best bet for a PCT would be this

Clomid(if needed)
Forma Stanzol
Post cycle/Unleashed combo

That pretty much covers everything you need for post cycle therapy.

Now there's other goodies you can throw in as well, Phytoserms 347 which will be out soon would be a great addition.

And after PCT is up following with some Bridge by NTBM is always a great idea as well. Just some stuff to check into my friend, hope this helps ;)
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I will be using Nolva, since I already have that on order (hopefully it arrives since I wanna start already! I plan on doing PCT for 4 weeks, so just an additional week to the above. I will be using CEL PCT Assist in addition to the Nolva at the recommended dosages.

Most sites that I've been reading are about the original Superdrol, and suggest that Nolva is sufficient. I will have Nolva, PCT Assist, Milk Thistle, and Tribulus available for PCT, in addition to multivitamins, EFAs, red yeast rice, and coq10.

I've been reading more and more about FormaStanzol, and might decide to get some now...

BarbellBeast, sent you a PM...
 
gaijininjapan said:
I will be using Nolva, since I already have that on order (hopefully it arrives since I wanna start already! I plan on doing PCT for 4 weeks, so just an additional week to the above. I will be using CEL PCT Assist in addition to the Nolva at the recommended dosages.

Most sites that I've been reading are about the original Superdrol, and suggest that Nolva is sufficient. I will have Nolva, PCT Assist, Milk Thistle, and Tribulus available for PCT, in addition to multivitamins, EFAs, red yeast rice, and coq10.

I've been reading more and more about FormaStanzol, and might decide to get some now...

BarbellBeast, sent you a PM...
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PM sent back my friend.
 
So what's the general concensus on using an AI w/ a non aromatizing PH? I have other test boosters in my PCT, and it seems like 4 weeks on Nolva should give me enough time to get my natural estrogen levels down. I do like what I'm reading on the formestane, but not sure I want to spend an additional 70+ on yet another item to add to my PCT.

As for Tribulus, can I take that while on cycle all the way through the end of PCT?

On a side note, I see that the final ingredient in my PCT has left the inbound customs check! Can't wait to get started.
 
gaijininjapan said:
So what's the general concensus on using an AI w/ a non aromatizing PH? I have other test boosters in my PCT, and it seems like 4 weeks on Nolva should give me enough time to get my natural estrogen levels down. I do like what I'm reading on the formestane, but not sure I want to spend an additional 70+ on yet another item to add to my PCT.

As for Tribulus, can I take that while on cycle all the way through the end of PCT?

On a side note, I see that the final ingredient in my PCT has left the inbound customs check! Can't wait to get started.
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No point in using an AI with a non-aromatizing compound.

Your estrogen levels are going to be high for 1 to 2 months after your cycle whether you are on Nolva or not. Not appealing at all. Low dose tapering of forma-stanzol brings them down pretty damn fast.

It's up to you though. My standard PCT is clomid, forma, hcgenerate. That is a killer PCT.
 
Question about Forma Stanzol... can I use it at a lower dose on-cycle? 3pumps 2x daily on cycle, and 5-7pumps 2x daily for PCT? Or is on-cycle use not necessary?

There's so much conflicting information... some stating that Clomid AND Nolva should be used, some sites stating that Nolva-only is sufficient, then some people recommending OTC only is okay... I definitely will be running Nolva, as stated in my PCT plan above (except I'll be stretching it out to 4 wks). Aside from what I've listed, I'm currently only seriously considering Forma to add to that. A lot has to do with genetics and what each person responds to, I want to play it safe, but I also don't want to be using 50 different products all at once.

As long as I can keep 75%+ of my mass gains, prevent gyno, and be up for it on the weekends when my girl stays over, I'll be satisfied. I have plenty of time to recover, since the soonest time I'd consider doing another cycle would be next summer.
 
gaijininjapan said:
Question about Forma Stanzol... can I use it at a lower dose on-cycle? 3pumps 2x daily on cycle, and 5-7pumps 2x daily for PCT? Or is on-cycle use not necessary?

There's so much conflicting information... some stating that Clomid AND Nolva should be used, some sites stating that Nolva-only is sufficient, then some people recommending OTC only is okay... I definitely will be running Nolva, as stated in my PCT plan above (except I'll be stretching it out to 4 wks). Aside from what I've listed, I'm currently only seriously considering Forma to add to that. A lot has to do with genetics and what each person responds to, I want to play it safe, but I also don't want to be using 50 different products all at once.

As long as I can keep 75%+ of my mass gains, prevent gyno, and be up for it on the weekends when my girl stays over, I'll be satisfied. I have plenty of time to recover, since the soonest time I'd consider doing another cycle would be next summer.
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There is no point running the forma while on cycle for you. Usually, guys will run the forma when they have a prior gyno history from past cycles. In this case it would be appropriate while on cycle to prevent gyno flareup.
 
gaijininjapan said:
Question about Forma Stanzol... can I use it at a lower dose on-cycle? 3pumps 2x daily on cycle, and 5-7pumps 2x daily for PCT? Or is on-cycle use not necessary?

There's so much conflicting information... some stating that Clomid AND Nolva should be used, some sites stating that Nolva-only is sufficient, then some people recommending OTC only is okay... I definitely will be running Nolva, as stated in my PCT plan above (except I'll be stretching it out to 4 wks). Aside from what I've listed, I'm currently only seriously considering Forma to add to that. A lot has to do with genetics and what each person responds to, I want to play it safe, but I also don't want to be using 50 different products all at once.

As long as I can keep 75%+ of my mass gains, prevent gyno, and be up for it on the weekends when my girl stays over, I'll be satisfied. I have plenty of time to recover, since the soonest time I'd consider doing another cycle would be next summer.
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Superdrol does not convert into any estrogen. Your estrogen levels will actually get lower while on Superdrol so there is no need for forma-stanzol on cycle. Getting gyno from superdrol ON cycle is very rare and isn't going to happen. It's the rebound that gets people from Superdrol.

Once PCT hits estrogen will shoot sky high after being suppressed, this gives some people gyno so Nolva or Clomid is used to prevent the high amounts of estrogen from binding to the chest. However the SERM will do nothing about the high circulating levels of estrogen. Forma will bring them back down and even help in retaining gains.

Nolva is known to kill libido. It might do so for you... it does for me. That's why I use the HCGenerate in PCT because asides from the test boost, it makes me horny as f*** lol.

Again, the PCT is your choice. There are no standards except for the SERM.

I personally always do SERM, Forma, and HCGenerate to cover gyno, recovery, and libido.
 
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