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M 1,4 ADD and trenaplex in the same bottle!!!

V00D00 said:
you know, based on the amount of talk and the little action i see taken toward actually using the product, Im going to guess the average user in this post has massively over developed hands and a case of carpal tunnel.

just use the product, and then report back with your results! Im tired of the "this one is better cause 288 is stronger than 289" or whatever numbers your quoting. The only numbers I go by are LBs and Inches.
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I am not sure where you saw stated that I (or anyone) said that one is better then the other.. I think that all that was stated is that it is unknown... If you are refering to any of my posts re-read them. Also, I do not make a decision on buying anything, be it a car, computer part, supplement etc., without having it make sense to me that it is the right choice. I think that what you will find in the discussion is what has come out of conclusions. I did state that I have no idea which one is stronger, that is why I opted for the one that was mixed. "just use the product, and then report back with your results! " I would spend a lot of money if I just went out and bought all of these products to "just use and report back"
I am sorry but that reasoning does not make a lot of sense to me. I think that a big reason that people read these boards is for knowledge, only part of it is reports of what people have used. I can read 100 logs of how great a product is but until I see the science so that I understand it (A:A ratio, conversion, ATP, whatever it may be) then I will not go and buy something. I agree that LBM/strength/inches is the only way that you will judge a compound in the long run but I am not going to go out and buy every product on the market to find out if I grow on it. There are several compounds floating around that I do not want to try, when I hear of a new compound I read about it. If the A:A ratio is what I am looking for then I will read further. If the fatty acid keeps the fat storage whatever busy so that it cannot store the fat intake that you are taking (CLA) great, but I will not buy it to find out how it works......
 
stxnas said:
Rude, not at all. Civil discussion is encouraged and a great way to learn. I'm not 100 % sure when looking at it that way. I will have to go back and do some research now :study:

I was under the impression that they are both isomers of desoxymethyltestosterone aka DMT. Are you saying that Ergo was DMT and something else? Just trying to clarify. In the mean time I will try and dig something up before the wife gets home.
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2-ene was DMT (just look up the chemical structure on google). DMT still has the 5alpha or 5beta isomers just as other compounds do(remember the IDS remake of SD with the 5beta isomer). Ergo did contain some DMT but not 100%..
 
bubsnt3 said:
I am not sure where you saw stated that I (or anyone) said that one is better then the other.. I think that all that was stated is that it is unknown... If you are refering to any of my posts re-read them. Also, I do not make a decision on buying anything, be it a car, computer part, supplement etc., without having it make sense to me that it is the right choice. I think that what you will find in the discussion is what has come out of conclusions. I did state that I have no idea which one is stronger, that is why I opted for the one that was mixed. "just use the product, and then report back with your results! " I would spend a lot of money if I just went out and bought all of these products to "just use and report back"
I am sorry but that reasoning does not make a lot of sense to me. I think that a big reason that people read these boards is for knowledge, only part of it is reports of what people have used. I can read 100 logs of how great a product is but until I see the science so that I understand it (A:A ratio, conversion, ATP, whatever it may be) then I will not go and buy something. I agree that LBM/strength/inches is the only way that you will judge a compound in the long run but I am not going to go out and buy every product on the market to find out if I grow on it. There are several compounds floating around that I do not want to try, when I hear of a new compound I read about it. If the A:A ratio is what I am looking for then I will read further. If the fatty acid keeps the fat storage whatever busy so that it cannot store the fat intake that you are taking (CLA) great, but I will not buy it to find out how it works......
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great response! my intent was only to stop the back and forth, im sure it works just fine in terms of stacking on muscle. ;)
 
Someone had asked me to reply in this thread, but there seem to be alot of different subjects running at once.

Also, the multi-quote button isnt working, so sorry for probably getting ready to make way too many replies in one thread lol.
 
grantr said:
too low of a dose of m14ad and trn
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Dosing per cap is about normal. 30 mg of M1,4ADD is the norm on a per capsule dosage. The issue there is that 90 to 120 mg was average daily dosage which mean that even at minimal dosing a bottle will only last you 20 days (not even 3 weeks).

I love M1,4ADD but wouldnt bother using it if not going to run it for at least 4 weeks, ideally 6.
 
stxnas said:
Well the bottle comes with 60 caps so you could take two per day for a 30 day cycle or three per day for a 20 day cycle. Either way, not bad.

And quit *****ing at eachother. I'm really getting tired of the frequency of this kind of **** around here! I'm not directing that at anybody in particular, so don't get your panties in a wad.
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60 mg of M1,4ADD probably wouldnt do anything but be a waste of a cycle and money honestly. We used to make this compound pre original ph ban. You may could get by with 60 mg for one week starting a 4 to 6 week cycle, but 60 mg throughout a cycle of M1,4ADD is a waste of a cycle imo.
 
i think they wanted some clarification or just some conformation of what bubsnt and i were saying about phera and Ergo above about the 2ene, 3ene and 5a, 5b isomer issues and how most are confused about ergo and think its only diff isomers percentage then phera when in reality its 2 compounds (2ene and 3ene) while phera is only one compound, one isomer..... thanks for comin in
 
bubsnt3 said:
Tell me if I am beginning to sound argumentative or rude, as that is not my goal. I am skeptical of even writing this because I don't want to come off wrong but I will risk it.
Ergomax and PP were not different isomers. They were different compounds. One was 2-ene and the other was 3-ene. PP was 2-ene 100% 5alpha isomer. Take this for example:
1)PP= 100% delta 2(2-ene) with 100% 5alpha isomers
2)Mehtyl-Plex = 100% delta 2(2-ene) with 80% 5alpha isomers and 20% 5beta isomers
3)Ergomax = ~70% delta 2 (2-ene)and ~ 30% delta 3(3-ene) both with a mix of 5a and 5b
You would have to compare methy-plex or some of the other pure 2-ene clones that are not purified to only the 5alpha isomer(90%, Pheradrol though..., ) to Phera-plex to make an isomer comparison of the product.
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I can try to answer this to the best of my abilities.

What I Know:
- Phera Plex claimed to be all 2-ene - all a isomers; I do believe them, but I never actually saw proof of it though.
- Methyl Plex was 82% a and 18% b if my memory serves me correctly. We posted the report back then on it.

What my understanding is, and I may or may not be correct:
There was so much speculation about Ergomax and I honestly didnt follow it very closely. I believe that it was decided that it contained two different compounds. The 2-ene that was containded in Phera and also the 3-ene compound.
 
Yeah, thanks Bubs, Poop, and SNS. Ergo was before my time and I had no idea that Ergo was TWO compounds. I thought that the 2-ene and 3-ene variation was the isomer variation.
Thanks again.
 
stxnas said:
Yeah, thanks Bubs, Poop, and SNS. Ergo was before my time and I had no idea that Ergo was TWO compounds. I thought that the 2-ene and 3-ene variation was the isomer variation.
Thanks again.
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No problem. I love to learn... Here is a little note on it from
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Madol (17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-en-17b-ol) was identified in an oily product received by our laboratory in the context of our investigations of designer steroids. The product allegedly contained an anabolic steroid not screened for in routine sport doping control urine tests. Madol was synthesized by Grignard methylation of 5-androst-2-en-17-one and characterized by mass spectrometry and NMR spectroscopy.

5alpha and 2ene. I think that this is good information to know... Thanks again for the conversation
 
RisingAgainst said:
Rumor has it that CEL will have one more batch of their M1,4ADD out.... something people might wanna keep an out for.
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I know that they had no actual intention of discontinuing it to start with, they just are having a hard time finding quality raw materials. Gotta commend them for that.

They are coming out with a phera clone according to their site.
 
the finigenix clone is descent. i sell alot of it in my store under the label of BCS labs testraflex. a very experianced "gear" guy compares it to taking oral winnie. he ran two bottles and was shedded off of it
 
bigschmidt821 said:
the finigenix clone is descent. i sell alot of it in my store under the label of BCS labs testraflex. a very experianced "gear" guy compares it to taking oral winnie. he ran two bottles and was shedded off of it
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hmmm interesting.. ive never heard of this.. does the company have a website?
 
sns8778 said:
I know that they had no actual intention of discontinuing it to start with, they just are having a hard time finding quality raw materials. Gotta commend them for that.

They are coming out with a phera clone according to their site.
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you said quality and iff i remember right YOUR phera clone wasnt bad itself (~90% 5a isomer right???) any ways will they produce a certificate of authintication with the release so we can see how pure it actually is???? def interested in picking up a bottle or 2 of some cheap phera if its worth it (in other words a quality product)
 
poopypants said:
you said quality and iff i remember right YOUR phera clone wasnt bad itself (~90% 5a isomer right???) any ways will they produce a certificate of authintication with the release so we can see how pure it actually is???? def interested in picking up a bottle or 2 of some cheap phera if its worth it (in other words a quality product)
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Our Phera clone was 82% a isomers (if memory served me correctly).

I cant speak for them, but I would assume that they will product some test results as they have for their other products.

No one there posts much on forums as BB.com doesnt carry them so they cant post there and they cant post on here for obvious reasons.
 
sns8778 said:
I know that they had no actual intention of discontinuing it to start with, they just are having a hard time finding quality raw materials. Gotta commend them for that.

They are coming out with a phera clone according to their site.
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you suuuuure do know alot about their inner workings.... ;)
 
V00D00 said:
you suuuuure do know alot about their inner workings.... ;)
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Lol....its on their website - been saying coming soon for two weeks. (the phera clone)

The M1,4ADD thing about it being temporarily discontinued has been stated numerous times by them.
 
poopypants said:
you said quality and iff i remember right YOUR phera clone wasnt bad itself (~90% 5a isomer right???) any ways will they produce a certificate of authintication with the release so we can see how pure it actually is???? def interested in picking up a bottle or 2 of some cheap phera if its worth it (in other words a quality product)
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They have the quality assay on their site now for the P-Plex; 99% purity with 97% A isomers.
 
The estradione is a good compound, speaking from personal experience and what I have seen personally. I would recommend at a minimum 150 mg/day though. I also hear from some people "in the know" that estradione in its current, unconverted state has good anabolic value. I have used this same brand's testraflex, now called trenaplex, at 150 and 200 mg/day and loved it.
I think an interesting stack would be Trenaplex, 1,4AD, and 4AD. Kinda like a test/tren/bold stack. I have calculated the cost of an 8 weeker with doses I would take and it would be extremely expensive.
 
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