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low testerone levels age 23 :(

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So I just got a physical and found out my test levels are about 325 and I'm only 23. I have something called Ankylosing spondylitis (RA) and studies show that people with this have signigicantly lower Testosterone levels. With that being said ...

Scanairo: Your not sexually active. Money isn't an issue. Which would you do and why: go to a doctor and get a legal injection of Testosterone OR try and go a natural route? If you picked a natural route, which supplements would you use?

Thanks for feedback guys!
 
Sorry to hear. I'm go medical route expecilly if insurance covers it. And some natural supps can't hurt
 
lastchance said:
I would go with the injection route it's a relatively cheap and easy process as for natural you can try DAA
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Daa is popular, what's the deal with bromo 6??
 
I have heard of DAA but concerend with toxic levels and all that with reserach I've done. I just had shoulder surgery and hit out of pocket for insurance so that's another reason for me to go doctor route + all the options on this thread as I know you guys are knowledable ...
 
Id get on prescribed test all day
 
you should find the underlying reason as to why your testosterone is low. is your estrogen high? prolactin? gut/digestive issues? gluten intolerance?

instead of covering it up with an injection, find out why your natural T is low.
 
As far as finding the "underlying issue" ... all my other blood work is perfect. I have not tested for estrogen or prolactin level. I have no gut or digesetion issues. No gluten intolerance that I know of. Hopefully when I see the endo doctor next week he will test for these kinds of things.

As I mentioned, I was diagnosed with AS (ankylosing spondylitis) a form of RA. There are plenty of large studies and supporting resarch to show people who have AS/RA have signifiantly lower test levels. I messed with prohormones when I was 17-19 and I think I remember cycling properly but I don't think I did enough of them to mess with test levels ... who knows.
 
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how many pro hormone cycles did you do brah???
that really sucks though man. i'm sorry to hear the predicament you're in.
 
istillqualify said:
As far as finding the "underlying issue" ... all my other blood work is perfect. I have not tested for estrogen or prolactin level. I have no gut or digesetion issues. No gluten intolerance that I know of. Hopefully when I see the endo doctor next week he will test for these kinds of things.

As I mentioned, I was diagnosed with AS (ankylosing spondylitis) a form of RA. There are plenty of large studies and supporting resarch to show people who have AS/RA have signifiantly lower test levels. I messed with prohormones when I was 17-19 and I think I remember cycling properly but I don't think I did enough of them to mess with test levels ... who knows.
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if your estradiol is high, youre converting most of your testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. if your prolactin is high, your testosterone is lower via some mechanism at the HPTA im not familiar with. google it though.

did you run PCT after your prohormones?
 
wannabebig25 said:
if your estradiol is high, youre converting most of your testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. if your prolactin is high, your testosterone is lower via some mechanism at the HPTA im not familiar with. google it though.

did you run PCT after your prohormones?
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^ good advice. Your endo will hopefully figure something out... If not look at Dafts testopro log...he has blood work to show his increase in test...
 
thanks again for the help guys ... and yes, I did use PCT when using the PHs when I was younger.
 
I'm not trying to steal the thread but I got tested in Feb. and had 337 total test. at age 30. I'm going to see an Endo. in a month. What exactly are the signs of low test? I will say that I believe I have been running too much since November and think that may have affected my number. I have had and still have poor recovery from running now, I'm also going to see a rheumotologist next month for my sore quadriceps. My regular doctor doesnt have any answers...I don't know if my test. is low enough to delay recovery?
 
lastchance said:
I would go with the injection route it's a relatively cheap and easy process as for natural you can try DAA
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DAA has worked well for me as far as increasing all the effects that increased levels of testosterone would produce, though I don't have the numbers to prove it.
 
How did you dose the DAA and how did you handle the increased prolactin levels as studies have shown it does?
 
istillqualify said:
How did you dose the DAA and how did you handle the increased prolactin levels as studies have shown it does?
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In my instance, I want to see a doctor and get bloodwork, etc. and I will... However, I didn't and I went about it my own way. I came off of about 3 years of non-stop gear. I ran test all the way through with some cycles of other crap in there and I felt like garbage all the way (Endosyn brand mostly, which is great), but when I came off I was in fear that everything would just go away in terms of gains and I'd never get a libido again, etc.

Fast forward to a pct of HCG during my last few weeks and a few weeks of clomid and Erase AND I threw in Andro Drive. I never felt better. I have EXTREMELY sensetive nips when it comes to anabolics and the combo of Andro Drive (3 caps a day), Testforce 2 (best DAA product I've used), and Erase (3 caps with dinner), I have never had any problems.

Now, I don't know about lab results and whatnot, but with that combo I feel like I am about 16 as far as sex drive, my energy levels are on high, I get erections if I am at the supermarket and see a half-decent looking woman in short shorts and it's embarassing that it won't go down until I take care of business. I have also never performed better in that dept (which is very important IMO). As far as performance in the gym... I will outlift most and keep up with the hot-headed juicers and jump to my next set quicker than I could before and faster than most can keep up with. My weight has been wherever my diet dictates. I have no issues gaining weight and burning fat.

This pic is over 4 months after I dropped all the roids, simultaneously quit painkillers (probably further screwed my HTPA), and I gained strength, endurance, stamina, peace of mind, etc.

6'1", 225ish (222-227lbs), bodyfat seemed about 9%? Also... I only need about 5 hours of sleep.

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istillqualify said:
How did you dose the DAA and how did you handle the increased prolactin levels as studies have shown it does?
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Prolactin can be mitigated by using either Mucuna or b6
 
kevinhy said:
Prolactin can be mitigated by using either Mucuna or b6
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Yes, good call. Also, pregnenolone helps control prolactin. I'm going to start taking a cap of a coenzymate b complex with each meal that contains a sufficient amount of p-5-p, as per some advice in Dinoii's top 10 supplement thread.
 
thanks for the testimony force of green! much appreicated. Read some things about vidatest ... looks pretty good ... what about stacking that with bulk DAA powder? Really looking for dosing suggestions on DAA
 
istillqualify said:
thanks for the testimony force of green! much appreicated. Read some things about vidatest ... looks pretty good ... what about stacking that with bulk DAA powder? Really looking for dosing suggestions on DAA
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You're welcome, brother. I don't know what it is about the Testforce 2, but for me it works better than DAA and I have no tried the sodium DAA. I have also tried test boosters (Free Test and one by EST Test Drive) and it didn't change anything except that I was a little lighter in the wallet. If I were you, I'd save your money from the test booster and spend the extra on the Testforce 2 and throw some Erase in the mix at 2 caps per night. I did some sifting through FAQs and found that the dosing scheme of DAA shouldn't matter much (at least for what is said about the Testforce 2) and I have used it both all at once pre-workout and divided into 2 doses. The recommended amount per day of DAA is 3 grams.
 
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