Low Test, Low LH, Low FSH, Low Estradiol. HELP!

[xams2387]

no i dont masterbate. Have sex with my gf a couple times a week, but just not into it. I am not taking a lot of stimulants however drinking a lot of caffeine. I hate this feeling. Im really having a hard time dealing with this chit.

Caffeine is a stimulant. How much are you taking

 

[Drbrology3]

Caffeine is a stimulant. How much are you taking

6-10 cups a day.

 

[xams2387]

6-10 cups a day.

Caffeine is a powder. Cups of coffee? How many mgs is that

 

[Drbrology3]

Caffeine is a powder. Cups of coffee? How many mgs is that

probably ~ 1000mg a day

 

[xams2387]

probably ~ 1000mg a day

Holy hell that's alot. That's probably part of your problem. You're probably dependent on it. It raise cortisol aka stress and it cases temporary ED because of the blood vessel vasoconstriction and it surges dopamine at a higher rate than normal so without it you feel grumpy etc and over time it takes more and more caffeine to feel normal.

 

[Drbrology3]

Holy hell that's alot. That's probably part of your problem. You're probably dependent on it. It raise cortisol aka stress and it cases temporary ED because of the blood vessel vasoconstriction and it surges dopamine at a higher rate than normal so without it you feel grumpy etc and over time it takes more and more caffeine to feel normal.

Yeah I know, I have been trying to cut it down. I know I need to eventually cut back a lot. Just helps. If I dont take it, I dont want to get out of bed, and will feel tired all day.

 

[xams2387]

Yeah I know, I have been trying to cut it down. I know I need to eventually cut back a lot. Just helps. If I dont take it, I dont want to get out of bed, and will feel tired all day.

Well yeah. That's withdrawal for ya haha. I'm going through it from adderall abuse now. It helps to ween off the caffeine

 

[Drbrology3]

Well yeah. That's withdrawal for ya haha. I'm going through it from adderall abuse now. It helps to ween off the caffeine

I have been consuming caffine since I was 12 probably. Its an addiction for sure.

Currently working on reverse dieting, so I know I need to drop the caffeine, however it helps with hunger.

 

[xams2387]

I have been consuming caffine since I was 12 probably. Its an addiction for sure.

Currently working on reverse dieting, so I know I need to drop the caffeine, however it helps with hunger.

So did adderall but eventually you have to stop

 

[Drbrology3]

So did adderall but eventually you have to stop

Yeah I guess so.


Worst part is I sit at home in my apartment alone, because I dont want to go out and drink, or eat food, and I just feel more depressed.

 

[xams2387]

Yeah I guess so.

Worst part is I sit at home in my apartment alone, because I dont want to go out and drink, or eat food, and I just feel more depressed.

Yep that's how I felt too man. Light to moderate exercise rejuvenated without exhausting you. Just learned that. Too intense of basketball was killing me but this should help a bit. Try to find a video game or something to keep your mind off food

 

[Drbrology3]

Yep that's how I felt too man. Light to moderate exercise rejuvenated without exhausting you. Just learned that. Too intense of basketball was killing me but this should help a bit. Try to find a video game or something to keep your mind off food

i have self control. Im just saying, id rather stay home then go out and sit there with friends not eating or drinking. I feel like its worse for my depression to be alone, but when im with people, I just want to be alone.

 

[xams2387]

i have self control. Im just saying, id rather stay home then go out and sit there with friends not eating or drinking. I feel like its worse for my depression to be alone, but when im with people, I just want to be alone.

That's exactly how I feel man. How old are you again? I'm 22. It suuuuuucccckkkssss. It's weird. It almost makes you think it's in your head but then I'm like there's no way this isn't me and I shouldn't have to try this hard to even be focused. I personally think its from dopamine depletion. Look up low dopamine side effects. It's alot like low test

 

[Drbrology3]

That's exactly how I feel man. How old are you again? I'm 22. It suuuuuucccckkkssss. It's weird. It almost makes you think it's in your head but then I'm like there's no way this isn't me and I shouldn't have to try this hard to even be focused. I personally think its from dopamine depletion. Look up low dopamine side effects. It's alot like low test

its an awful feeling. Sometime I will have good days, and sometimes I will have bad days. I am on an antidepressent now, and taking L-dopa

 

[xams2387]

its an awful feeling. Sometime I will have good days, and sometimes I will have bad days. I am on an antidepressent now, and taking L-dopa

What anti depressant? How long? You should let me know how that goes for you in all aspects because I'd be curious to try a new one if I can't get better... Do you know if the doctor can check the amount of dopamine in your body?

 

[Drbrology3]

What anti depressant? How long? You should let me know how that goes for you in all aspects because I'd be curious to try a new one if I can't get better... Do you know if the doctor can check the amount of dopamine in your body?

its an SSRI. I am on day 3 of it. Still dont feel different, however the doctor told me it will take a couple days/weeks to kick in. I dont know if they can check the amount of dopamine or seratonin. Have you tried 5-htp?

 

[xams2387]

its an SSRI. I am on day 3 of it. Still dont feel different, however the doctor told me it will take a couple days/weeks to kick in. I dont know if they can check the amount of dopamine or seratonin. Have you tried 5-htp?

Yeah. No luck

 

[Lhns2]

Anti-depressant and ldopa? Really?

 

[Drbrology3]

Anti-depressant and ldopa? Really?

I know a lot of it has to due with outside factors and not the prohormone itself.

 

[Lhns2]

I'd do one or the other IMO. That's a lot going on with the brain man.

 

[Drbrology3]

I'd do one or the other IMO. That's a lot going on with the brain man.

dropping everything but my multi, zma, and daa at this point.

 

[gymrat727]

What is your free test at

 

[Drbrology3]

What is your free test at

I didnt get it checked.

 

[xams2387]

I forgot how old you were dr. Also did you use hcg? I didn't use HCG until this spring so I'm wondering if it will just take time. I don't really know

 

[Bamski]

I forgot how old you were dr. Also did you use hcg? I didn't use HCG until this spring so I'm wondering if it will just take time. I don't really know

He's 22

 

[Drbrology3]

I forgot how old you were dr. Also did you use hcg? I didn't use HCG until this spring so I'm wondering if it will just take time. I don't really know

about to turn 23. I didnt use any hcg, but did do a solo clomid cycle about a month after my pct.

 

[xams2387]

about to turn 23. I didnt use any hcg, but did do a solo clomid cycle about a month after my pct.

I thought HCG would blow mine up but they didn't. Maybe made them a bit firmer. Mine are sitting at like 75 80% of their normal. Not as firm definitely. And for some reason I have the adderall dick/scrotum thing going on even though I haven't taken a stimulant in over 3 weeks. My dick is tougher and more compact almost. It's firm and tightened up when flaccid. It doesn't hang as much or stretch like normal. It's harder to get erections. Feels like blood flow is being restricted even though I'm not taking vasoconstrictors anymore. And Arginine doesn't help. My scrotum is also tighter and my balls are hugging my buddy. They barely ever hang low. When they do hang they seem "almost" normal size. I don't know why it's happening

 

[Drbrology3]

really trying to go without caffeine. Had only 1 redbull today, still ended up taking a 2 hour nap though.

 

[xams2387]

really trying to go without caffeine. Had only 1 redbull today, still ended up taking a 2 hour nap though.

Same here I sleep 10-12 hours a day. No motivation and no sex drive. ED too

 

[Veritatis]

Pick up some Torem run it for 4 weeks... if that doesnt work go see a doctor

 

[Drbrology3]

Pick up some Torem run it for 4 weeks... if that doesnt work go see a doctor

any reasoning behind this? I have low e2, so I feel like that would be a waste of money.

 

[Drbrology3]

would it be a waste to run another 4 week clomid solo cycle?

 

[xams2387]

would it be a waste to run another 4 week clomid solo cycle?

You've tried the clomid already, and it gives out ****ty emotional side effects. I would say go with torem. Idk what the deal is but I don't seem to have a sex drive either with seemingly perfect bloodwork. Have you talked to doctors on what else the problem could be?

 

[Drbrology3]

You've tried the clomid already, and it gives out ****ty emotional side effects. I would say go with torem. Idk what the deal is but I don't seem to have a sex drive either with seemingly perfect bloodwork. Have you talked to doctors on what else the problem could be?

yes, and said even though my bloods were low, they're in range, and the low libido is probably due to depression. I had sex last night, and was hard and lasted a while, and felt so good cuming. And all this was without liquid cialis. So I feel like depression/anxiety is the reason. I had a bad anxity attack today, but took a vyvanse (im prescribed) went to work, and smoked a couple cigs and mood was completely changed. I feel like the main thing with this kind of situation that you and I are both in, is you need to just go out and take your mind off of things, if you sit at your computer researching all this stuff you are going to look way into stuff and just freak yourself out more. Stop taking stuff unless your doc has prescribed it. take your mind off of how bad you feel, stop playing with your nuts, stop trying to jerk off even when you are not in the mood, stop worrying about if you are getting morning wood or not, just eat well, eat lots of fat, and just enjoy summer.

 

[xams2387]

yes, and said even though my bloods were low, they're in range, and the low libido is probably due to depression. I had sex last night, and was hard and lasted a while, and felt so good cuming. And all this was without liquid cialis. So I feel like depression/anxiety is the reason. I had a bad anxity attack today, but took a vyvanse (im prescribed) went to work, and smoked a couple cigs and mood was completely changed. I feel like the main thing with this kind of situation that you and I are both in, is you need to just go out and take your mind off of things, if you sit at your computer researching all this stuff you are going to look way into stuff and just freak yourself out more. Stop taking stuff unless your doc has prescribed it. take your mind off of how bad you feel, stop playing with your nuts, stop trying to jerk off even when you are not in the mood, stop worrying about if you are getting morning wood or not, just eat well, eat lots of fat, and just enjoy summer.

I have tried going out. I've tried alot. I went out all last summer and did all the same things as before and never felt good. Always exhausted and no interest in sex, just rest. It's as if I can't keep up with anyone because I feel so 'out of it' and tired. My last pct ended and I felt great after and had a raging sex drive. I don't have that this time. There's no denying that there is a difference from last time.

 

[Drbrology3]

I have tried going out. I've tried alot. I went out all last summer and did all the same things as before and never felt good. Always exhausted and no interest in sex, just rest. It's as if I can't keep up with anyone because I feel so 'out of it' and tired. My last pct ended and I felt great after and had a raging sex drive. I don't have that this time. There's no denying that there is a difference from last time.

well its mental then. Plan and simple, what is causing you to not feel as good.. YOU. Stop trying to take a miracle pill that will make you feel how you felt when you were on chemicals. I really think you are overthinking, overreasearching, and feeling sorry for yourself, that is putting you in such a funk. Idk maybe I will wake up tomorrow and have a bad day, I had an awful morning this morning, straight up crying and feeling sorry for myself, then picked myself up, and told myself to harden the fu*k up, and get over it. Even my mother told me this, "When you feel it coming on, you fight it, dont let yourself feel sorry for yourself, and you fight for that happiness"

 

[xams2387]

well its mental then. Plan and simple, what is causing you to not feel as good.. YOU. Stop trying to take a miracle pill that will make you feel how you felt when you were on chemicals. I really think you are overthinking, overreasearching, and feeling sorry for yourself, that is putting you in such a funk. Idk maybe I will wake up tomorrow and have a bad day, I had an awful morning this morning, straight up crying and feeling sorry for myself, then picked myself up, and told myself to harden the fu*k up, and get over it. Even my mother told me this, "When you feel it coming on, you fight it, dont let yourself feel sorry for yourself, and you fight for that happiness"

I get what you're saying. I have been trying is what I'm saying. The whole last summer I didn't know I was shutdown so I was going about my normal business but feeling like crap. Not until I did blood tests did I realize what was going on. Also, if I take adderall I feel no anxiety, I have good energy and mood and more libido. Not quite my old self but decent. I also have focus. I haven't taken it in a month though. That's what makes me think its dopamine related. I don't think about this problem anymore I just go about my daily business. It's hard to not notice it when you just don't get those happy feelings doing normal activities. I don't think about it I really don't, but when it just feels off I notice it. I never dwell on it anymore and never stress about it, I'm just saying I still don't feel normal. Progress is there but it's not good just yet. I feel like it is neurotransmitter related. I guess im saying that simply i shouldnt have to try to have fun. Fun should be fun and come to me. And no the adderall isn't pulling a placebo on me, I generally feel excitement in just talking to people on it. Lets say I used to feel 100%. In my darkest days months ago I was let's say 0%. When I take aderall I get maybe 60% just because libido is iffy. Without it NOW I'm probably 25%. Progress but not a ton yet. I've read it takes months away from adderall to start feeling normal again.

 

[xams2387]

I hope you can understand my point of view

 

[Drbrology3]

why are you getting off the adderall? We all have bad days, and this is over the course of a year, maybe its not the neurotransmitters or the dopamine levels, yet just you changing as a person. That this "normal" feeling is you last year, and you need to re-find that "normal" feeling..

 

[xams2387]

why are you getting off the adderall? We all have bad days, and this is over the course of a year, maybe its not the neurotransmitters or the dopamine levels, yet just you changing as a person. That this "normal" feeling is you last year, and you need to re-find that "normal" feeling..

It's not normal to not be interested in sex and not find anything fun. I get what you're saying and how we all mature and change. I just don't think I'd dislike hanging out with friends when I loved it. Who does like friends? I just can't seem to enjoy things. I don't get any euphoric feelings anymore. Nothing is like "yeah! Lets do that" it just isn't there... I'm off the adderall because when I was shut down I asked my doctor for it to get me through the semester and took or for about 6 or 7 months even though I don't have ADD or ADHD. Im stopping because I shouldn't even be taking it. Now that my test is back I shouldn't need it. I think now I'm going through withdrawals of it: fatigue, anhedonia, no happiness, just trudging through the day doing my best to keep my head up, weak joints and muscles, crazy nightmares all the time, gait and uncoordination like you wouldn't believe.

 

[Drbrology3]

It's not normal to not be interested in sex and not find anything fun. I get what you're saying and how we all mature and change. I just don't think I'd dislike hanging out with friends when I loved it. Who does like friends? I just can't seem to enjoy things. I don't get any euphoric feelings anymore. Nothing is like "yeah! Lets do that" it just isn't there... I'm off the adderall because when I was shut down I asked my doctor for it to get me through the semester and took or for about 6 or 7 months even though I don't have ADD or ADHD. Im stopping because I shouldn't even be taking it. Now that my test is back I shouldn't need it. I think now I'm going through withdrawals of it: fatigue, anhedonia, no happiness, just trudging through the day doing my best to keep my head up, weak joints and muscles, crazy nightmares all the time, gait and uncoordination like you wouldn't believe.

Well im the same way man. I dont think about sex at all, I dont even jerk off to porn anymore like I used to. I have a girlfriend now, so I have sex with her obviously, but still not going rounds or constantly wanting to rip her clothes off, and I feel like that relates back to the depression..

 

[carbus]

Going on antidepressants post cycle is a f#ckin horrible idea, you should have seen an endocrinologist specifically. You def shouldnt be takin the ldopa with the antidepressant, there interactions with one another are gonna give you more complications. More meds are not the answer. Dont do another serm, obv dont do an ai, and id lose the daa because it wreaks havoc on the pituitary also. No one wants to be told jus wait but thats what it is in the end a waiting game. In the mean time search high grade icariin, 20% min atleast, but you have to really search and spend the extra cash to get a high quality extract and it will help in the libido dept. Ask for a full panel when you bloods done next time, if u do that is, and have prolactin, shbg (sex hormone binding globulin) included. But bottomline, ive had a friend try to kill himself cuz he went on ssri's post cycle so take it for whatever its worth.

 

[xams2387]

Going on antidepressants post cycle is a f#ckin horrible idea, you should have seen an endocrinologist specifically. You def shouldnt be takin the ldopa with the antidepressant, there interactions with one another are gonna give you more complications. More meds are not the answer. Dont do another serm, obv dont do an ai, and id lose the daa because it wreaks havoc on the pituitary also. No one wants to be told jus wait but thats what it is in the end a waiting game. In the mean time search high grade icariin, 20% min atleast, but you have to really search and spend the extra cash to get a high quality extract and it will help in the libido dept. Ask for a full panel when you bloods done next time, if u do that is, and have prolactin, shbg (sex hormone binding globulin) included. But bottomline, ive had a friend try to kill himself cuz he went on ssri's post cycle so take it for whatever its worth.

I know you're talking to dr here but I actually went to an endo and she gave me anti depressants when I was trying to recover. Weird I guess.

 

[xams2387]

Well im the same way man. I dont think about sex at all, I dont even jerk off to porn anymore like I used to. I have a girlfriend now, so I have sex with her obviously, but still not going rounds or constantly wanting to rip her clothes off, and I feel like that relates back to the depression..

Well don't you think it's from bein shut down and not depressed? I don't know if depression just starts like thy especially when we know we're going to go through PCT and know well be shut down depressed. I mean for me it started about a week into my superdrol cycle. Kinda makes me think its that. Still no sex drive. Also I've tried 3 different anti depressants. That's also screw with dopamine. Some do atleast. Wellbutrin which I took for a month also inhibits dopamine reuptake. That could contribute to my adderall abuse. I also took alot of fat burners. I was pretty much always on a stimulant. After a while I think the number of dopamine outputs are decreased and I can only create so much dopamine. Time reverses it. Idk man. I shouldn't have to try this hard to feel average. Something is obviously wrong. Half the days I don't think about my problems yet I find myself bored as hell because I have no sex drive. Nothing is occupying my mind so it just thinks about everything aka anxiety. My low sex drive has caused my anxiety and depression. Not the other was around. Blocking anxiety and depression isn't going to help because ill still have no sex drive. I'm a supremely confident kid. Over confident at times just so I don't feel down. You've got to tell yourself you're the man to believe it. I still do. I do that all the time. I still think I'm the best wherever I go, I just don't have any sex drive so it's like bleh. I'm not psyching myself out. I legitimately have no sensitivity, random boners, or urges to have sex. It's maddening if you think about it. If I had those I wouldn't ever be in a bad mood.

 

[xams2387]

I guess low dopamine from withdrawal of stimulants would basically be depression... Same thing right. Just that it should level itself out over time unlike depressed people who have imbalances

 

[Jiigzz]

Did you get pre bloods done?

 

[xams2387]

Did you get pre bloods done?

No. I don't think Dr did either

 

[Jiigzz]

Its hard to tell when your numbers arn't back to baseline when you have no idea what the baseline was

 

[xams2387]

Its hard to tell when your numbers arn't back to baseline when you have no idea what the baseline was

Agreed. 600 Test isn't bad though. Also, with a month or 2 off of all PCT drugs you'd think it would be about as normal as it gets. I tried Welbutrin again today. I might keep trying it for a while, I'm not really sure yet. Does anybody know if there's any drugs that only work on dopamine and not norinepherine and dopamine? It seemed to give me sort of a racing feeling like anxious to be doing something. Idk it felt uncomfortable. Maybe a racing heart. Usually my anxiety is just about not having a sex drive or being tired, this was more of like nervous anxiety. Like I needed to be somewhere. Felt odd. It's similar to what it did to me last time too. Too early to tell if it helped sex drive. It didnt do anything for focus or mental energy.

 

[Drbrology3]

I am going in this week to get another set of blood work done. Still feel like chit.