Low Test, Low LH, Low FSH, Low Estradiol. HELP!

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Ran a compound about 6 months ago. PCT with just nolva for 4 weeks. Still felt terrible, so ran another 4 weeks of clomid solo for 4 weeks. Just got my blood tests done, and low on everything. Wondering what I should do at this point. Sex drive is shot, depressed, no motivation, feel down all the time, strength and muscle size has significantly gone down, fat gain, might be paranoid but still feels like there is testicular atrophy.. I am not sure what my next step at this point is. Please help with any advice.
 

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Testosterone is 443 range 348-1197
LH is 2.6 range is 1.7-8.6
FSH is 2.2 range is 1.5-12.4
Estradiol is 6.2 range is 7.6-42.6
 

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Testosterone is 443 range 348-1197
LH is 2.6 range is 1.7-8.6
FSH is 2.2 range is 1.5-12.4
Estradiol is 6.2 range is 7.6-42.6
Your e2 is low are you taking any anti E's? How long have you been off all stimulants? Test isn't bad. I used clomid and got it up to 800 then a month later is was 350. Now it's around 600-700. I think you gotta let yourself reset at some point. I think ZMA helps a lot and a good multi. I like opti men. Other than that idk man I'm still recovering myself.
 

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Your e2 is low are you taking any anti E's? How long have you been off all stimulants? Test isn't bad. I used clomid and got it up to 800 then a month later is was 350. Now it's around 600-700. I think you gotta let yourself reset at some point. I think ZMA helps a lot and a good multi. I like opti men. Other than that idk man I'm still recovering myself.
I took erase in my pct, but thats it.. I dont know why its so low. And test isnt awful, but obviously pretty low. I have tried letting myself reset, so just picked up some ZMA, and DAA. Like you, I just want to feel normal again. I ran that solo clomid cycle, but I have read that as soon as you get off of it, your test levels will drop back off.
 

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I took erase in my pct, but thats it.. I dont know why its so low. And test isnt awful, but obviously pretty low. I have tried letting myself reset, so just picked up some ZMA, and DAA. Like you, I just want to feel normal again. I ran that solo clomid cycle, but I have read that as soon as you get off of it, your test levels will drop back off.
Yeah same with the clomid. Mine eventually came back up on its own. Took a few months. That's weird about the low E2. You're not taking anything else though?
 

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I would still say abstain from all stims for 2-3 weeks and see if you notice anything in that department.
 

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Yeah same with the clomid. Mine eventually came back up on its own. Took a few months. That's weird about the low E2. You're not taking anything else though?
nope. I went off of everything for a month+ to see if anything would help.

currently taking:
- Orange triad (multi)
- ZMA
- DAA
- Dopamine
- Maca
- Horny goat weed

I am off stims and all SERMS
 

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Hmm idk man hopefully some more knowledgable guys will chime in. I don't exactly feel comfortable telling you what to do when i haven't figured myself out yet, plus I really don't know what to do. Get your head up though. Food works more than supplements so make sure you eat eggs every morning. It has helped me this far. Try a half dose of zma in the morning with your nighttime dose.
 

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I also want to mention i have low Neutrophils and High lymphs
 

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I also want to mention i have low Neutrophils and High lymphs
I had this as well. Lets keep your posts in this forum so people don't get confused. I haven't been to a doctor but it could be Lyme disease or other autoimmune diseases. Check out your WBC count and monocytes. Look up some more possibilities online. I found more but can't remember them.
 

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Not trying to be negative but although your numbers are low, since they in range don't be surprised if he doesn't recommend much. That is at least my experience and what I have seen reported on boards as well.
 

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Not trying to be negative but although your numbers are low, since they in range don't be surprised if he doesn't recommend much. That is at least my experience and what I have seen reported on boards as well.

just being a 22 y/o male, with a low libido... and test levels of a 60 y/o something needs to be done.
 
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Zinc, magnesium, boron citrate(or a mixture), and vitamin d. Always helps while in and after pct for me.
 

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Zinc, magnesium, boron citrate(or a mixture), and vitamin d. Always helps while in and after pct for me.
started getting morning wood after ZMA, and DAA. Gf said my loads are thick, and almost like I have been "backed up" so hopefully thats a good sign. Still have very high anxiety, low sex drive, trouble sleeping. Retesting in 2-3 weeks and see where I am standing.
 
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^ Sounds encouraging.

Out of curiosity, what compound did you run?
 

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^ Sounds encouraging.

Out of curiosity, what compound did you run?
One day at a time. I ran Phantom Ph0rce. So basically superdrol

Blew me up, but lost all gains throughout this pct.
 

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high anxiety. depression. no libido. fat gain. muscle loss all the symptoms I have been experiencing.


Any advice on what I should do?
 
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What's your latest blood work? Post it up if not go get it done and let us know to help you based on your previous bloods I would say your estradiol is low and you should look into an ai maybe even OTC your lh isn't zero so there is a chance bro zma and all the other stuff is a band aid you need to fully address it... Also FYI no doctor will prescribe trt to a 22 year old bro, you will have huge problems in late 30
 

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What's your latest blood work? Post it up if not go get it done and let us know to help you based on your previous bloods I would say your estradiol is low and you should look into an ai maybe even OTC your lh isn't zero so there is a chance bro zma and all the other stuff is a band aid you need to fully address it
this is from 2 weeks ago:

Testosterone is 443 range 348-1197
LH is 2.6 range is 1.7-8.6
FSH is 2.2 range is 1.5-12.4
Estradiol is 6.2 range is 7.6-42.6

why would I look into an AI if I have such low estradiol? Should I drop the zma and DAA?
 
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I'm sorry I miss read some one else post where they said to look into an ai, you can keep taking the daa but you could also shock your body and throw clomid, daa, and another test booster in the mix I like test infusion or the forged methyl eea (I'm not a rep just stating what I know is available and what works for me) run for 4 weeks take 2 weeks off then get bloods done again... Clomid should be run 25/25/25/25
 
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Also something that really effects level is your body fat percentage what is yours?
 

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I'm sorry I miss read some one else post where they said to look into an ai, you can keep taking the daa but you could also shock your body and throw clomid, daa, and another test booster in the mix I like test infusion or the forged methyl eea (I'm not a rep just stating what I know is available and what works for me) run for 4 weeks take 2 weeks off then get bloods done again... Clomid should be run 25/25/25/25
I ran clomid for 4 weeks, and saw/felt nothing, but the sides, and a dead dick. I think it might be time to go see the doc.

I feel like I need to do a restart, because i didnt run any hcg.. I feel like doing a restart would help bring up all levels, because as you can see on my recent bloods, everything is low including the lh and fsh levels.
 
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Your lh and fsh is in range tho bud it's low but in range you ran clomid solo? Could be the problem bro...
 

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Your lh and fsh is in range tho bud it's low but in range you ran clomid solo? Could be the problem bro...
i know i dont want to jump right into trt, but my levels are so low for being 22 years old.

I did run a solo clomid cycle. about 5 weeks after my original pct. I lost my libido during my pct, and thought the clomid would help bring it back, since you can increase test production on clomid.
 
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Tried a good ai? Talk to the matrix on the forum he can help you out.
 

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Tried a good ai? Talk to the matrix on the forum he can help you out.
no. didnt even use an ai in my pct besides pes erase. Why would I take an ai if my estridrol is in the low range?
 
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Yup forgot about that haha. Did u get shbg levels tested?
 

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going to see my doc today. Going to tell him the entire truth. See what we can do. Like I said, I think it might be smart to blast hcg because my LH is so low, and i feel like I still have testicular atrophy.
 

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welp I got put on depression medication, and anxiety medication. doc said my levels were fine, and im suffering from depression, thats why I feel so off.
 
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Just because your levels are on the "low" side of the range doesn't mean you have low T... Everyone's biochemistry is different. You're in range except for estradiol, which is why you have a dead dick. For men, estrogen is what dictates the libido..
 

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Just because your levels are on the "low" side of the range doesn't mean you have low T... Everyone's biochemistry is different. You're in range except for estradiol, which is why you have a dead dick. For men, estrogen is what dictates the libido..
so how do I get it up? just eat a bunch of soy?
 
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First of all did you get pre bloods to compare to? What compound did you run?
 

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no i did not. And I ran a superdrol clone.
Dude idk how much stock there is in this theory but I've heard alot of people not recovering from superdrol like ever. It's what I ran and 15 months later I have no sex drive. All my bloods are good. My FSH is only 2.0 which makes me wonder if that has any relation to ball size (mine arent what they use to be) or sex drive (not good). But idk if superdrol takes way longer like Tren or not. Does anybody know why Superdrol converts to? Does what it converts to take a long time to recover from?
 
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no i did not. And I ran a superdrol clone.
I figured as much. Superdrol is an insane compound.


Dude idk how much stock there is in this theory but I've heard alot of people not recovering from superdrol like ever. It's what I ran and 15 months later I have no sex drive. All my bloods are good. My FSH is only 2.0 which makes me wonder if that has any relation to ball size (mine arent what they use to be) or sex drive (not good). But idk if superdrol takes way longer like Tren or not. Does anybody know why Superdrol converts to? Does what it converts to take a long time to recover from?
Superdrol is a derivative of Drostanolon (also known as masteron) which is the 2-methylated form of DHT, so it has typically been used for reducing body-fat and water retention, while increasing muscle hardness and density. There should be no estrogen conversion with this compound, because it's 5a-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that.
 

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Dude idk how much stock there is in this theory but I've heard alot of people not recovering from superdrol like ever. It's what I ran and 15 months later I have no sex drive. All my bloods are good. My FSH is only 2.0 which makes me wonder if that has any relation to ball size (mine arent what they use to be) or sex drive (not good). But idk if superdrol takes way longer like Tren or not. Does anybody know why Superdrol converts to? Does what it converts to take a long time to recover from?

dont be telling me this man, its only going to fuk with my head more. I just got put on antidepressants and antianxiety medication. This fuking sucks. I am thinking about running a cycle of test e in a couple weeks.
 

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dont be telling me this man, its only going to fuk with my head more. I just got put on antidepressants and antianxiety medication. This fuking sucks. I am thinking about running a cycle of test e in a couple weeks.
My bad man. I've actually been feeling a bit better. Not crazy amounts but steps. Are you masterbating often? Or taking alot of stimulants?
 

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My bad man. I've actually been feeling a bit better. Not crazy amounts but steps. Are you masterbating often? Or taking alot of stimulants?
no i dont masterbate. Have sex with my gf a couple times a week, but just not into it. I am not taking a lot of stimulants however drinking a lot of caffeine. I hate this feeling. Im really having a hard time dealing with this chit.
 
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Testosterone is 443 range 348-1197
LH is 2.6 range is 1.7-8.6
FSH is 2.2 range is 1.5-12.4
Estradiol is 6.2 range is 7.6-42.6
Honestly, you need to have this information interpreted by your primary care provider or a relevant specialist.

Other things one must consider are (a) age, (b) time of blood draw, (c) prolactin.
- 443 isn't low by the reference range to begin with.
- "Normal" is also age dependent.
- If you had the draw done in the PM instead of the AM then it's likely your value would have been closer to 650 anyway.
- Prolactin should also be included in this panel because high levels are a possible cause of reduced sex hormone levels.
- Lastly, much of the treatment is based on the clinical symptoms. If you've got medically documented hypogonadism AND have bothersome symptoms, then someone should treat it. If you've got medically documented hypogonadism and DO NOT have bothersome symptoms, you really don't "need" help, or treatment.

If you need a second opinion, do it in a medical clinic. Not only can your fellow AM'ers not do anything for you, but their advice is often based on material that they've read and don't even understand -- even if they think they do.
 
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how long does it take your body to return to homeostasis?
Technically you should be there in 3-4 months depending on the cycle. Some people read totally normal a month after PCT
 

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