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Low dose The One + SD pulsed on top?

mark118

mark118

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I've heard interesting things about The One being run at 2 caps/day from AppNut reps for 5 weeks. Also, SD pulsed is very popular too. I respond very well to SD (my 1x/week thread).

What do you guys think to running The One for 5 weeks at 2 caps/day (1st thing in the morning as directed) and then pulse 10-20mg preworkout 3x/week on top?

My rational being slow and steady being easier to keep gains following PCT

For PCT I have 2nd gear, atd, bioforge, and will have nolva (genox) and this is all planned for Jan/Feb time.
 
I doubt anyone has ever done this....but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Just err on the side of caution because I think they are both methylated so make sure you have that liver protected
 
thanks for the input

The One dose will be at 2/3rds recommended, and i will have milk thistle @ 1grm/day (and preloaded)
 
I have thought about this actually. But if I did run this I would probably not use 2nd gear and ATD as my PCT. Too much estrogen suppression for a cycle that does not aromatize. I would run Nolva and a natty test booster, then throw in an AI around weekd 3.

It sounds like a nice cycle though. But I'd rather run TO at 3 caps (recomended dosage) and SD at maybe 5mg ed.
 
I'd also like to hear some more opinions on this. I know AN doesn't normally recomend stacking TO with anything but i'd like to know what Dirk thinks about running a low dose sd and TO.
 
i have stocked up on sum of that THe ONE to run along aside sumthing, Mdrol wuz my first choice, and would run the ONE at 3-4 caps
 
I didn't repond well to the one, even at four caps each day. it seemed more of a recomp drug than mass gainer. others seem to have better luck. didn't impress me.

hope it works well for ya though. :D
 
jbryand101b said:
I didn't repond well to the one, even at four caps each day. it seemed more of a recomp drug than mass gainer. others seem to have better luck. didn't impress me.

hope it works well for ya though. :D
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I'd hope i get that response here too but with the addeded SD
 
with the one being so weak i wouldn't bother to underdose it, but 2 caps or 3 caps, the cycle is sound, i think the SD will be doing most of the work anyway. Use a real PCT and I think the cycle is legit.
 
I don't think The One is a "weak" compound. Just because people dont gain 20 lbs of glycogen/water like on SD cycles doesn't mean it's weak. I know some people didnt respond well to it, but that happens with all compounds. But I do agree that it's not as "strong" as SD.

When I ran TO I felt it rapidly increased glycogen uptake in the first few days (just as SD does) and strength also increased nicely.
 
How much weight and strength did you gain out of curiosity?

I am calling it weak based on the average of everything I've read about it. A lot of guys made neglible gains and that brings the average way down. Some people blow up on Hdrol but i still call that one weak.
 
UnrealMachine said:
How much weight and strength did you gain out of curiosity?

I am calling it weak based on the average of everything I've read about it. A lot of guys made neglible gains and that brings the average way down. Some people blow up on Hdrol but i still call that one weak.
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If I remember right, it was something like 10lbs but my strength went way up. I probably gained 25-30 lbs on my bench (went up to 300). I mean no, its not anything like SD or PP in regards to weight gain, but I dont place much faith in "weight" gain anyway. Considering most of it is not even muscle.

But yea, I see what you are saying and I wasnt really referring to you in particular but I just hear it a lot. It seems like if something doesnt fill you up with water/glycogen/crap-then it's automatically weak.

IIRC, SD is also DHT derived as The one is.
 
UnrealMachine said:
with the one being so weak i wouldn't bother to underdose it, but 2 caps or 3 caps, the cycle is sound, i think the SD will be doing most of the work anyway. Use a real PCT and I think the cycle is legit.
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great!

not sure of the setup, thinking i'd go with 20,20,10,10 of nolvadex and just a test booster ie bioforge,

NB: call this crazy, would there be any point in the last eg 2-3 weeks simply running SD at 10mg/day everyday ontop of The One since I'm going with nolva as PCT? ie

weeks 1-2or3 The One@2caps/day + 10mg SD/3x/week
weeks 3or4-5 The One@2caps/day + 10mgSD/day
 
tyler4 said:
If I remember right, it was something like 10lbs but my strength went way up. I probably gained 25-30 lbs on my bench (went up to 300). I mean no, its not anything like SD or PP in regards to weight gain, but I dont place much faith in "weight" gain anyway. Considering most of it is not even muscle.

But yea, I see what you are saying and I wasnt really referring to you in particular but I just hear it a lot. It seems like if something doesnt fill you up with water/glycogen/crap-then it's automatically weak.

IIRC, SD is also DHT derived as The one is.
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10 pounds on a dry compound is pretty good.

I go by averages with what I see but then I have my own personal standards whereby almost everything is weak but that's just me. I'm on my 2nd week of M1T and i'm not impressed but I think i just need to dose it higher.

I don't know how much meaning you can extract from them both being similar in structure to DHT. Superdrol is also known for its relatively low androgenic activity and DHT is pure "androgenicity" without the anabolism.
 
this will derail the topic but the thought came to mind after catching up on this thread.

Which produces more long-term gains? Straight cycles or pulsing?
 
TheDarkHalf said:
this will derail the topic but the thought came to mind after catching up on this thread.

Which produces more long-term gains? Straight cycles or pulsing?
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For SD, I think either a pulse or a longer cycle at a low dose would be easier to maintain. 3 week SD cycles are stupid if you ask me.
 
them being dht derrived compounds is as far as the similarities go with sd and the one.

the one is methylated dht plus the oxyimine addition.

where superdrol is methylated masteron.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
this will derail the topic but the thought came to mind after catching up on this thread.

Which produces more long-term gains? Straight cycles or pulsing?
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Good question, so here are two hypotheticals dosed how i would dose them with the same # of caps

Straight cycle, SD 10/20/20/30 is 51 capsules over 28 days
Pulsed cycle, SD 30mg 3x a week, 51 capsules over 40 days

Same amount of Superdrol, probably about the same amount of gains, let's say hypothetically it's a bulking diet, +15 pounds, +40 pounds on bench, minor BF increase from eating so much, but a solid cycle nonetheless.

The only difference is the pulse has you gaining the same amount over a longer period of time. It's not a huge difference, but I think to a similar extent, it'll be easier to keep the gains, and you'll gain more in the long run.

I've said it 100000 times but someday I'll cycle SD 30mg 3x a week pulsed w/ DC training to test this out because I've done straight cycles and I know how hard it is for me to keep those gains.
 
what do you recon to my hypothetical plan?

mark118 said:
call this crazy, would there be any point in the last eg 2-3 weeks simply running SD at 10mg/day everyday ontop of The One since I'm going with nolva as PCT? ie

weeks 1-2or3 The One@2caps/day + 10mg SD/3x/week
weeks 3or4-5 The One@2caps/day + 10mgSD/day
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Not to disagree as i have not tried it at 2caps/day but i remember at BB.com forum a rep was saying he'd seen interesting things at this dose

2caps/day would allow me 2 cycles out of 1 bottle (when combined with a few left over from a previous bottle)
 
mark118 said:
Not to disagree as i have not tried it at 2caps/day but i remember at BB.com forum a rep was saying he'd seen interesting things at this dose

2caps/day would allow me 2 cycles out of 1 bottle (when combined with a few left over from a previous bottle)
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not to disagree, but I never believe anything a company rep sais about a produt they are supposed to be pushing. they will never say a negaitive thing about their product.

2 caps might give you some results, if it's your first ever cycle.

but all this advice means squat. only way your gonna know is if you just run the cycle how you want to. are we going to recomend some of the things you want to do? some might, some might not.

so live nike, and just do it. :D
 
mark118 said:
Not to disagree as i have not tried it at 2caps/day but i remember at BB.com forum a rep was saying he'd seen interesting things at this dose

2caps/day would allow me 2 cycles out of 1 bottle (when combined with a few left over from a previous bottle)
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Wonder what interesting things he saw. I know Dirk recomends 3 caps. But if you want to run 2 I'm sure you will get results at that dose as well. Just maybe not as good as 3.
 
fair point. i wonder if the 2 caps/day is analogous to hdrol at 2caps/day. fairly effective but the sweet spot is 3/day (for most).

im still tinkering with how the SD could be used. I know how potent the SD is at 10mg for me but i've never ran it as a straight cycle so i have no comparison how it would compare when pulsed on THe One compared with stacked with The One.
 
mark118 said:
I've heard interesting things about The One being run at 2 caps/day from AppNut reps for 5 weeks. Also, SD pulsed is very popular too. I respond very well to SD (my 1x/week thread).

What do you guys think to running The One for 5 weeks at 2 caps/day (1st thing in the morning as directed) and then pulse 10-20mg preworkout 3x/week on top?

My rational being slow and steady being easier to keep gains following PCT

For PCT I have 2nd gear, atd, bioforge, and will have nolva (genox) and this is all planned for Jan/Feb time.
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I have run The One @ 1 capsule every 2-3 days, and still had really good gains- did not seem to be any issues- and you could probably run this a little longer than normal. Gains will not be as dramatic, but steady....less can be better (as in many other instances)
 
rms80 said:
I have run The One @ 1 capsule every 2-3 days, and still had really good gains- did not seem to be any issues- and you could probably run this a little longer than normal. Gains will not be as dramatic, but steady....less can be better (as in many other instances)
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Did you run any PCT?
 
updated plan:

The One weeks 1-5 @ 2caps/day
SD weeks 3-5 @ 10mg/day

PCT 20,20,10,10
Bioforge 3,3,3,3
Creatine mono

(usual supp sorts)
 
mark118 said:
updated plan:

The One weeks 1-5 @ 2caps/day
SD weeks 3-5 @ 10mg/day

PCT 20,20,10,10
Bioforge 3,3,3,3
Creatine mono

(usual supp sorts)
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Any reason you are waiting until week 3 for SD? I would run it first so that The One would help maintain gains.
 
tyler4 said:
Any reason you are waiting until week 3 for SD? I would run it first so that The One would help maintain gains.
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i assumed initially the harder PH should be placed just before PCT BUT front load is an interesting idea.

if you were to front load, how long/dose would you do it?
 
mark118 said:
i assumed initially the harder PH should be placed just before PCT BUT front load is an interesting idea.

if you were to front load, how long/dose would you do it?
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I would probably just use the same dose you had but switch it to the front. From a "keeping your gains" perspective that would work best.
 
This is a tough situation as front loading does make a lot of sense, as does pulsing 4x/week especially since i'd be using a full serm'd PCT

Updated question: If i were to pulse @ 4x/week ie weds,thurs, sat,sun would 20mg be too much?
and lastly... if i were to pulse it for the full 5 weeks is this just foolish?
 
Well from everything i've read it seems the best way to run SD is in a bridge/front load since the gains from SD are so hard to maintain
 
i must have misread because i thought you were going to pulse SD the whole 5 weeks and I think that's fine. Is it too much? That's a question only you can answer.
 
UnrealMachine said:
i must have misread because i thought you were going to pulse SD the whole 5 weeks and I think that's fine. Is it too much? That's a question only you can answer.
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+1. You can always stop the SD if you feel the need. I personally would stay towards the low side with SD, thats just me though.
 
UnrealMachine said:
i must have misread because i thought you were going to pulse SD the whole 5 weeks and I think that's fine. Is it too much? That's a question only you can answer.
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i was hypothetically discussing whether it would be better front loading etc..

but the pulsing is still the plan for me... just trying to decide how many weeks to pulse for
 
rms80 said:
I see where you are coming from- but due to several overlapping similarities between the two compounds (both are non-aromatizing oral derivatives of DHT, both increase GLUT4 translocation and glycogen supercomp, both are high anabolic/low androgenic, etc) - I think it is overkill- just stay low dose with one or the other.

If you want to run a low dose cycle with The One- you can take 1 capsule every 2-3 days, and it will yield very solid results- probably similar to a 5-10 mg dose of SD every 2-3 days.....
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from my thread at bb.com discussing this

but im still unsure why stacking 2 similar compounds, effectively as i plan to do on pulse days, is bad... as long as they're both low dosed
 
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