Looking to do a fat loss cycle with low DHT androgens

[Leakydelts]

So, here's all the PHs/DSs/SARMs I have. Don't mock me for some of them, I bought them on impulse, was sent some for free, and some was on sale. So, I'd like to try and cobble this together into a cycle with test for a drying out cycle and fat reduction.

I have the following:

• Ostarine 360 caps 5mg/ea
• Hi Tech 1-Test 120 caps 110mg/ea
• DMZ 60 caps 25mg/ea
• Ghoul (Msten) 10mg 180 caps/ea
• LGD 4mg 90 caps/ea
• SARM 3D - LGD 10mg MK677 25mg Ostarine 25mg per 2 caps 180 caps/ea
• Hi Tech EQ 75mg 180 caps/ea
• Hi Tech Deca 75mg 120 caps/ea
• Methylstenbolone 10mg 180 caps/ea
• M-1-AD 20mg 180 caps
• Trenvar (trendione) 25mg 108 caps/ea
• Sdrol 20mg 54 caps
• MK 677 25mg/2 caps 60 caps/ea

I also have a product I bought a long time ago from Olympus Labs called Ghar1ne and it's 45 caps at 10mg/ea. Not sure what this is, thinking it's MK677.

So what do you think? I have a hodgepodge of stuff, and I can buy more of it if need be to fill out a 10-12 week cycle.

Thx

I would highly recommend a simple test and tren cycle but given what you have on hand, if I were you I would run it as follows:

Test (200-500 ew depending upon goals and access to it)
50 mg Trenavar pre workout
20 mg Ostarine pre workout
8 mg LGD pre workout

LGD and Osta are clinically proven to reduce fat mass and are not particularly liver toxic. Trenavar isn't methylated so it's a safe stacker and tren is always going to be an effective addition to any recomp or fat loss phase.

Ditch the MK677, every study on this stuff shows fat GAIN, not fat loss, and for good reason, you're never going to feel full on it due the ghrelin activity. I always recommend my clients steer clear of this stuff unless they're an ectomorph.

Shelf the rest, there's some great stuff here but the liver can only handle so much at a time. Run some tudca and/or injectable glutathione then if you want to do a brief gaining phase before resuming your cut, run the msten or superdrol.

 

[Renew1]

I would highly recommend a simple test and tren cycle but given what you have on hand, if I were you I would run it as follows:

Test (200-500 ew depending upon goals and access to it)
50 mg Trenavar pre workout
20 mg Ostarine pre workout
8 mg LGD pre workout

LGD and Osta are clinically proven to reduce fat mass and are not particularly liver toxic. Trenavar isn't methylated so it's a safe stacker and tren is always going to be an effective addition to any recomp or fat loss phase.

Ditch the MK677, every study on this stuff shows fat GAIN, not fat loss, and for good reason, you're never going to feel full on it due the ghrelin activity. I always recommend my clients steer clear of this stuff unless they're an ectomorph.

Shelf the rest, there's some great stuff here but the liver can only handle so much at a time. Run some tudca and/or injectable glutathione then if you want to do a brief gaining phase before resuming your cut, run the msten or superdrol.

He's concerned about his hairline.

 

[Whisky]

In reality none of us can recommend anything as

- we don’t know enough about the OP (what’s his current stats are, past cycle experience, response to various compounds previously e we gc)

- the hairline concern is fine but aside from avoiding some of the better known hairline killers it doesn’t really focus on what he should use. All we know is he’s looking for fat loss and drying out so we can avoid water compounds but they’ve not been listed anyway

- that stash literally contains everything from piss weak ph’s and sarms to SD (plus the capacity for any other aas to come into the mix). Someone saying they have test and then a choice of tren, deca or primo plus either var or epi would be different as at least they are kind of comparable and we can debate which is most optimal (ignoring that of course nutrition and training would play a bigger role)..........

but truthfully this feels like ‘here’s list of a load of random compound’s, suggest some cycles that may or may not be suitable for the op (and we have no real idea if they will be).

More backgrounds needed imho

 

[Hyde]

So basically just bang it all and let us know how it shakes out

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

I would highly recommend a simple test and tren cycle but given what you have on hand, if I were you I would run it as follows:

Test (200-500 ew depending upon goals and access to it)
50 mg Trenavar pre workout
20 mg Ostarine pre workout
8 mg LGD pre workout

LGD and Osta are clinically proven to reduce fat mass and are not particularly liver toxic. Trenavar isn't methylated so it's a safe stacker and tren is always going to be an effective addition to any recomp or fat loss phase.

Ditch the MK677, every study on this stuff shows fat GAIN, not fat loss, and for good reason, you're never going to feel full on it due the ghrelin activity. I always recommend my clients steer clear of this stuff unless they're an ectomorph.

Shelf the rest, there's some great stuff here but the liver can only handle so much at a time. Run some tudca and/or injectable glutathione then if you want to do a brief gaining phase before resuming your cut, run the msten or superdrol.

He's concerned about his hairline.

Ostarine, LGD, and Trenvar particularly harsh on the hairline?

In reality none of us can recommend anything as

- we don’t know enough about the OP (what’s his current stats are, past cycle experience, response to various compounds previously e we gc)

- the hairline concern is fine but aside from avoiding some of the better known hairline killers it doesn’t really focus on what he should use. All we know is he’s looking for fat loss and drying out so we can avoid water compounds but they’ve not been listed anyway

- that stash literally contains everything from piss weak ph’s and sarms to SD (plus the capacity for any other aas to come into the mix). Someone saying they have test and then a choice of tren, deca or primo plus either var or epi would be different as at least they are kind of comparable and we can debate which is most optimal (ignoring that of course nutrition and training would play a bigger role)..........

but truthfully this feels like ‘here’s list of a load of random compound’s, suggest some cycles that may or may not be suitable for the op (and we have no real idea if they will be).

More backgrounds needed imho

Well, I'm around 220lb right now with 29% bf (or there abouts), and im coming off of that in a a few more wks, I'm was just running that as a TRT cruise.

I've been running aas and everything else (with exception of SAMRs much, I dont have much experience with them. I've run many AAS cycles, including test boldenone, dbol, etc, etc. I've run PHs cycles of 1-test and 4ad (the og) and countless others I can't even rememeber.

I'm planning on taking my cycle with clen and t3 to help with the cut and preserve muscle tissue.

but truthfully this feels like ‘here’s list of a load of random compound’s, suggest some cycles that may or may not be suitable for the op (and we have no real idea if they will be).

More backgrounds needed imho

That's kind of what I was looking for

 

[Renew1]

Ostarine, LGD, and Trenvar particularly harsh on the hairline?



Well, I'm around 220lb right now with 29% bf (or there abouts), and im coming off of that in a a few more wks, I'm was just running that as a TRT cruise.

I've been running aas and everything else (with exception of SAMRs much, I dont have much experience with them. I've run many AAS cycles, including test boldenone, dbol, etc, etc. I've run PHs cycles of 1-test and 4ad (the og) and countless others I can't even rememeber.

I'm planning on taking my cycle with clen and t3 to help with the cut and preserve muscle tissue.


That's kind of what I was looking for

Tren compounds are known to be harsh on the hairline.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Tren compounds are known to be harsh on the hairline.

True, but I think trendione only has around a 5% conversion. I already have it, so I'd like to get rid of it. If I start shedding a lot, I can always quit since it's a very short acting compound.

 

[Renew1]

True, but I think trendione only has around a 5% conversion. I already have it, so I'd like to get rid of it. If I start shedding a lot, I can always quit since it's a very short acting compound.

Well, Trendione is inactive in it's given form.
So any steroid-induced effects will be from Trenbolone itself, after conversion.
Based upon that .... Hairloss should be similar, based upon other positive/negative effects noted.

Hey... Try it.
It definitely won't bother me.

I was just going off of information your post and comments contained.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Well, Trendione is inactive in it's given form.
So any steroid-induced effects will be from Trenbolone itself, after conversion.
Based upon that .... Hairloss should be similar, based upon other positive/negative effects noted.

Hey... Try it.
It definitely won't bother me.

I was just going off of information your post and comments contained.

That's true. Thanks for the help,
I was just thinking since trendione would be out of your system within ~24hours, if i started experiencing affects i could stop the tren

 

[Renew1]

That's true. Thanks for the help,
I was just thinking since trendione would be out of your system within ~24hours, if i started experiencing affects i could stop the tren

That would be a plus!

 

[Iwilleattuna]

I don’t have much experience but would boldenone with S4 or anavar be a viable option?

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

I don’t have much experience but would boldenone with S4 or anavar be a viable option?

The thing I don't like about boldenone for cutting is it makes your appetite crazy.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Ditch the MK677, every study on this stuff shows fat GAIN, not fat loss, and for good reason, you're never going to feel full on it due the ghrelin activity. I always recommend my clients steer clear of this stuff unless they're an ectomorph.

this is the first I'm hearing of this. everyone else has told me to take mk677 before bed to increase my gh speke. i would like to add some kind of gh peptide or gh itself to the mix (although it's a little more than i can afford rn, a full gh kit)

 

[Hyde]

this is the first I'm hearing of this. everyone else has told me to take mk677 before bed to increase my gh speke. i would like to add some kind of gh peptide or gh itself to the mix (although it's a little more than i can afford rn, a full gh kit)

I agree with him completely. MK is for bulking thru and thru. Use it to grow. Use GH to cut. They do not work the same at all. The only similarity is they both raise IGF1 eventually. But all the other pathways and activations produce far different global results in the long run.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

I've heard recomemndations of CJC-whatever-NO-DAC. How would that work for adding to a cutting cycle? What's the usual dosage and will it help me cut?

 

[Whisky]

I've heard recomemndations of CJC-whatever-NO-DAC. How would that work for adding to a cutting cycle? What's the usual dosage and will it help me cut?

ive cut successfully on mk with cjc dac but I was able to control the hunger and made it work - my nutrition was fucking dialled in. I’ve cut better on tesamorelin with clen and t3 (although would be remiss of me to not point out that imo you don’t use these at 29% - they are sub 15% bf compounds to me. Mainly because if you ‘need’ clen etc to cut to 15% or less your nutrition is off but also because they add additional stress to the body and you won’t really see the results in the timeframe they can safely be run for - and that’s before we consider the fact that t3 will to muscle off you even on anabolics. Most coaches I listen to only suggest it for prep in the last few weeks off at all)

 

[Iwilleattuna]

The thing I don't like about boldenone for cutting is it makes your appetite crazy.

good point. Guess dhb possibly or 1-andro

 

[timberx]

Ostarine, LGD, and Trenvar particularly harsh on the hairline?

LGD is the only Sarm I would use tbh, I suffer from MPB also... 4x cycles of LGD, did not see increased shedding. I am also on Dutasteride + Minox. 5% 2x a day, Nizroal 1x a week + Alpecin shampo daily or eod and I dermaroll 1.5mm 1x a week. I made a switch from finasteride to dutasteride ~6months ago and it made a huge difference, I literally have 0 hair on my hands when I wash my hair with shampoo, a year ago that would be unthinkable.

 

[Hyde]

I've heard recomemndations of CJC-whatever-NO-DAC. How would that work for adding to a cutting cycle? What's the usual dosage and will it help me cut?

Never used no DAC, only DAC/long acting. Made me hungry, raised blood sugar, added obvious muscle fullness & some water. It’s better for growth IME. I would combo that with Mk677 on a bulk phase personally if I ever bothered with it again.

Chinese GH at a couple iu daily can be had for not much more than the peps you are talking about.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Never used no DAC, only DAC/long acting. Made me hungry, raised blood sugar, added obvious muscle fullness & some water. It’s better for growth IME. I would combo that with Mk677 on a bulk phase personally if I ever bothered with it again.

Chinese GH at a couple iu daily can be had for not much more than the peps you are talking about.

The prices I've seen for a GH kit are like $500.

 

[Whisky]

The prices I've seen for a GH kit are like $500.

I’m running 4iu a day for 16 weeks at the moment (Chinese generic) and paid 340$ for that (ran 3iu for first few weeks as min order is 10 vials and 4 boxes of 10 vials of 10iu was pretty close)

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

I would highly recommend a simple test and tren cycle but given what you have on hand, if I were you I would run it as follows:

Test (200-500 ew depending upon goals and access to it)
50 mg Trenavar pre workout
20 mg Ostarine pre workout
8 mg LGD pre workout

LGD and Osta are clinically proven to reduce fat mass and are not particularly liver toxic. Trenavar isn't methylated so it's a safe stacker and tren is always going to be an effective addition to any recomp or fat loss phase.

Ditch the MK677, every study on this stuff shows fat GAIN, not fat loss, and for good reason, you're never going to feel full on it due the ghrelin activity. I always recommend my clients steer clear of this stuff unless they're an ectomorph.

Shelf the rest, there's some great stuff here but the liver can only handle so much at a time. Run some tudca and/or injectable glutathione then if you want to do a brief gaining phase before resuming your cut, run the msten or superdrol.

This sounds like a solid and well thought out cycle. I was wondering if anyone had any input on it (besides the tren and hair issue)?

I was actually thinking of maybe running a TPP NPP cycle, or maybe a test cyp NPP cycle and take NPP twice a week and use the 1-test Deca product on the inbetween days.

 

[Hyde]

The prices I've seen for a GH kit are like $500.

Bro you’re paying for their mortgage on top of the GH at those prices. Keep looking.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

So,
I'm thinking test cyp 250mg/week
var 50mg/day
trendione 50mg preworkout
20 mg Ostarine pre workout
8 mg LGD pre workout

I found some spironolactone topical 5% for sale, so I might be able to get away with running the tren alone with mast e.

 

[Hyde]

Just for clarity, trendione/trenavar has a short half life and it’s strictly being taken as an actual preWO that way. It’s not going to meaningfully contribute to recovery at that dosage and used once daily (the SARMs have a much longer half life).

When I ran it as a cycle I used 120-210mg daily in divided 30-60mg doses for 8 weeks. Lots of body changes, huge strength on the back half of the cycle, quite a few sides. Seemed like everything Tren is noted for.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

Just for clarity, trendione/trenavar has a short half life and it’s strictly being taken as an actual preWO that way. It’s not going to meaningfully contribute to recovery at that dosage and used once daily (the SARMs have a much longer half life).

When I ran it as a cycle I used 120-210mg daily in divided 30-60mg doses for 8 weeks. Lots of body changes, huge strength on the back half of the cycle, quite a few sides. Seemed like everything Tren is noted for.

Well, I don't really want to buy anymore for that purpose and I'm not looking forward to the negative side effects. I'm cutting, so I'm not looking to add any muscle mass, just preserve it. i also have access to tren ace, tren blend, and tren enan.

But I appreciate the feedback.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

How's Primobolan on hair loss? I was thinking of trying that instead of masteron enan.

 

[Hyde]

Well, I don't really want to buy anymore for that purpose and I'm not looking forward to the negative side effects. I'm cutting, so I'm not looking to add any muscle mass, just preserve it. i also have access to tren ace, tren blend, and tren enan.

But I appreciate the feedback.

I think you will have no sides besides some immediate aggression and libido with that dose once a day. I just wanted you to know it’s not doing much more than that, which is fine.

Definitely great to have sex on.

 

[RIPDanDuchaine]

RIP did you use the trendione as a PWO? Results?

I haven't started my cycle yet. Just got my primo and test today. Still have to get other supplies and I'm going to use BistroMD as a meal service, so I have to pick my meals out and get setup with that.

 

[shanewilliams]

hair loss is genetic bro. Aas useage will significantly speed it up but if your not prone to MPB then you shouldn’t have much of an issue.

rather than changing your cycle to avoid hairline issues I’d personally look at using some of the supports that minimise hair loss or help hair regrowth.

where’s SS with his hair loss post when you need it

it’s true that some compounds are known for being harsher on the hairline though and mast is one of those as cro said. I’d swerve that (plus I wouldn’t run it with test for your goals anyway.

test e plus var would be my shout

100% truth right there. Take a look at your Mother’s father and chances are that is what your hairline will look like. I know guys who have used Masteron and Winny without any hair loss. I had to shave my head at 32 due to AAS but if I did t use I might have gotten a few more years out of my hair but it was inevitable. Don’t waste your money on anything trying to save your hair if your Mother’s father has significant hair loss,

 

[Renew1]

100% truth right there. Take a look at your Mother’s father and chances are that is what your hairline will look like. I know guys who have used Masteron and Winny without any hair loss. I had to shave my head at 32 due to AAS but if I did t use I might have gotten a few more years out of my hair but it was inevitable. Don’t waste your money on anything trying to save your hair if your Mother’s father has significant hair loss,

My Mom's Dad had a full head of hair until he died at 89.
My Dad's bald.
I was going to end up bald.

That may be true sometimes, but definitely isn't true across the board.

 

[KvanH]

My Mom's Dad had a full head of hair until he died at 89.
My Dad's bald.
I was going to end up bald.

That may be true sometimes, but definitely isn't true across the board.

Yeah my mom's dad died sadly when I was pretty young, but what I remember he didn't have a lot of if any hair at his 60's. I on the other hand have a hair that would make those dudes in those L'Oréal commercials jelous at 33 yo.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

has anyone mentioned dienolone for cutting?

 

[Renew1]

has anyone mentioned dienolone for cutting?

I don't think so.
But it's a stand-out cutter!

 

[Renew1]

has anyone mentioned dienolone for cutting?

A brother just started a log of it, here:

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[Hyde]

I don't think so.
But it's a stand-out cutter!

Worked for me. Dropped 15lbs, got more jacked.