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Looking for a good 2nd PH cycle with massive gains

EBSNW1

EBSNW1

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Well I've just come off a 4 week IBE epistane cycle and have had only small/moderate gains in size and strength. Have had no real sides luckily, except a small nosebleed twice in the shower and increased hair growth (suddenly started growing hair on the back of my hands o.0). My nipples have also become a bit more sensitive and larger, so I have been taking some tamoxifen (nolva) as PCT together with some BSN axis-ht to boost test levels.

Going to be off now for another 4 weeks...I wasn't expecting too much from the epistane considering its mild sides, but now I am looking for something to make me a bit "bigger".

I have come across two products, one is SD matrix by pharma labs (I'm hesitant due to the dodginess of pharma labs, as well as strong side effects reported by others), the other one is Nasty Mass by purus labs.

I have read a small thread on here that definitely praises nasty mass and has people whining about the discontinued production of it, however, the website where I bought my epistane also sells this product so I was planning on stacking up.


Any ideas on this? Was planning on running this for 4 weeks together with cycle assist or perfect cycle, 100mg zinc and possibly an aromatase inhibitor (any ideas on good products?), as well as the usual nolva for PCT 20/20/10/10

How about it? Is this a good idea or are there more effective PHs with moderate sides you can recommend.

Thanks,

EBSNW1
 
Well you can do as I did and start stacking after your first cycle :D Some will disagree with you but I wont. I don't regret that I started stacking early :)

Nasty Mass will certainly give you the Mass gains you are looking for, but it will be a WET cycle and most likely you are going to loose that huge look once you come off and waterweight drops. SD Matrix I wouldn't touch - at least not yet.

If I remember correctly Nasty Mass is a blend of Phera and M-LMG. You can also look into D-Zine stacked with M-LMG. That should give you nice size gains and limit the bloat a little..
 
Ok thank you, so considering the fact that my bodyfat is still quite high (14%), I think I'll have to reconsider taking nasty mass due to the bloating and the unkeepable gains.I don't believe I'd be looking very advantageous after that cycle :D . I also don't think I'll start stacking immediately, as I was planning to do a little bit of cutting in the next couple of weeks.

I was looking for something with moderate sides and good keepable gains, but maybe I'm just wishing upon a star here...Any product suggestions for a good D-Zone + M-LMG stack?
 
Phorce by Phantom Labs should be a nice pre-made blend of the two ;)
Bu apparently it is out of stock at Nutraplanet right now :(
 
Well I'm living in the uk, so I would prefer a uk shop selling it due to potential problems with customs...However I can't really find any. Also, what is the advantage of phorce (D-Zine + M-LMG) over phreak (s-drol + H-drol) ?

Both products look pretty good to be honest.
 
Phreak is two methyls in one and one of them is the same as SD MAtrix - Superdrol. Which I wouldn't suggest touching for you 2nd cycle.
If you can't find any, then I'd go with nasty mass. The water weight you could regulate with limited sodium and carb intake ;)
 
Well I just checked and there are a couple of phorce bottles being sold on amazon. I might buy one and see if it'll pass customs, however, I am on holiday in germany for a while now and customs here is pretty strict, so it would be better if it came from inside the EU to avoid that. If nasty mass is all wet and unkeepable gains, then I don't want to bother at all with that, don't want to spend money on all this stuff and then go back to looking the same 3 - 4 weeks later.

Thanks though you've been a great help, phorce looks really good especially because its comprised of 2 esthers rather than strongly hepatoxic methyls.

BTW I rep'd you, not that it makes much difference considering my power
 
EBSNW1 said:
Well I just checked and there are a couple of phorce bottles being sold on amazon. I might buy one and see if it'll pass customs, however, I am on holiday in germany for a while now and customs here is pretty strict, so it would be better if it came from inside the EU to avoid that. If nasty mass is all wet and unkeepable gains, then I don't want to bother at all with that, don't want to spend money on all this stuff and then go back to looking the same 3 - 4 weeks later.

Thanks though you've been a great help, phorce looks really good especially because its comprised of 2 esthers rather than strongly hepatoxic methyls.

BTW I rep'd you, not that it makes much difference considering my power
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Don't get me wrong here, but Nasty Mass will yield keepable gains if your PCT is in check. When the bloating subsides during PCT you will get more muscle definition to see what has built up under it. It will yield big gains, the water weight you will drop in PCT might make you feel like you loose the gains, but they will be kept as long as you have a proper PCT. The bloating just hides the gains temporarily.

Regarding the Phorce: 1 is methylated and the other is an ethyl ester. So you would still need to take preventative measures and protect your liver ;)
 
Well, my PCT was going to be a SERM (nolva) in combination with milk thistle, omega 3 (also during cycle), as well as 100mg zinc and a test booster (axis-ht). Was thinking about running the nolva at around 20/20/10/10 or maybe even 40/20/10/10. Not sure what would be more suitable. Also wondering whether an AI might be required. Although phorce looks like the better product, nasty mass would be more convenient as it is sold by my regular online shop where I always buy. Still kind of unsure though.

It also seems like I'd be needing 2 bottles of nasty mass, because 1 only has 60 caps which would only be enough to take 2 for 30 days, which I'm uncertain whether its enough.

My sodium intake is pretty low, I do not put any extra salt over anything, so it comes solely from the food I'm eating. Carb intake was going to be at around 250 - 300 grams per day, as well as 60 grams of fat and 200 grams of protein.

Was also thinking about creatin to keep the gains/strength during PCT, however, it won't let me drop the water weight I guess.
 
No need to go over 20mg on the Nolva, your first option looks better, if you are unsure you can add in a fifth week of 10mg/day.
An AI isn't needed in PCT imo. Some like to use an AI and some don't. Whatever you prefer.

2bottles would be needed yes, but I think you wont be disappoint by the gains you make from it ;)

Depending on what creatine you take during your cycle or in PCT bloat can be expected.. I myself use DiCreatine Malate and has found it doesn't cause any water retention in me. have you looked into Creatine Nitrate? That shouldn't make you bloat either I think :think:
 
Don't be afraid of superdrol. Run it, but run it cautiously. It's the best bang for your buck if you're going to stick with otc sh*t. You don't need much to be real successful. It's all you'll need here on out. Halodrol and all the others are nice but you might as well do it right and stop *****footin' around. Once you have SD as the backbone to your cycle, diet and type specific training will play a huge part in your results.

Learn about it. Read some logs about how ppl set their cycles up, their pct's, and what side effects they got and what to look out for.
 
No, I have only used creatin citrate, mono and kre-alkalyn up to this point. Will look into nitrate now. I think I'll just try for a bottle of phorce to be honest, 2 bottles of nasty would set me back 80 pounds versus the 34 dollars for the phorce.

Hopefully it'll get through customs. Thanks, you've been a great help to me.

@ Harry

I get what you mean. Rather be hard on drugs instead of pus.sying around. Phreak sounds pretty fierce though, might consider it for a 3rd cycle if the 2nd goes well.
 
Yeah man there are a lot of good options if you are looking to add just straight size. You could look at Dieselbolan 2.0 (DMZ and M-LMG). You could do Beastdrol (Superdrol). Helladrol won't give you as much size as it's dryer...but I sometimes tend to prefer a dryer compound as the gains are easier to maintain in PCT. You could always do SD for three weeks followed up with another methyl for 4 weeks. You could also do SD stacked with another non-methyl and high dose the non-methyl.

All these are available @ mrsupps.com

But you really have a lot of options. My winter cycle is going to be M14ADD and M-LMG....going to be wet as $hit and will probably need an on cycle AI like erase or triazole.
 
testosterone and winstrol for summer

knuff said
 
Harry Manback said:
Don't be afraid of superdrol. Run it, but run it cautiously. It's the best bang for your buck if you're going to stick with otc sh*t. You don't need much to be real successful. It's all you'll need here on out. Halodrol and all the others are nice but you might as well do it right and stop *****footin' around. Once you have SD as the backbone to your cycle, diet and type specific training will play a huge part in your results.

Learn about it. Read some logs about how ppl set their cycles up, their pct's, and what side effects they got and what to look out for.
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Agreed!! Sd is the bomb !! It helped me take my max bench press from 285 to 325 . I say 4 weeks is all u need... The Best bang for ur buck !!
 
To be honest guys, I hear what your saying about SD, but right now I'm gonna go with Phorce just because its less liver toxic and I've just recently come off an epistane cycle. Although I don't drink whatsoever, I don't want to punish my liver too much.

I'll be doing a Test E cycle in the winter anyway, when I'll be back in the UK and have an actual doctor that can give me the injections. As a total beginner, I am not confident enough to do those myself, so right now Phorce will have to do.

If anyone knows an online shop that has it in stock and does international shipping (contacted lockout, they won't do it for less than 24 bottles, lol), then you can kindly PM me.

BTW, how would the dosage of phorce be?
 
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