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Long term use of HCG safe?

rick055 said:
Plymouth-

Thanks again, I am thinking of just driving to Michigan for the day as opposed to going through my PCP. As I understand it, I only need to physically make the trip once and it might be easier.

Regardless, I am going to have my PCP run the labwork, as he is open to treatment himself and I can get coverage for it.
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Run as many tests as you can talk your doc into.
My list of tests cost $3500 fully documented need for it by my doctor, fully paid by insurance.

In my experience the hard part is documentation.

but in my list you have both
items to test
and
ICD-9 codes

If you have known thyroid or adrenals problems you may want to expand my list in that areas.
 
cpeil2 said:
Not necessarily. It all depends on what concentration the physician prescribes. There is also an upper limit to the concentration. I don't remember what Dr. John said the maximum concentration is, but above that concentration, the T tends to stay on the surface of the skin in a "frost,'' rather than being absorbed.
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LOL please tell me you didn't think I did not know that :lol:
 
JanSz said:
I think there is a study that says about 110iu/day or even slightly more makes testis produce close to 100% capacity (capacity= whatewer they are able to produce).

Since usually we want to do shots as least as we can,
250iu/E2D is commonly used.

My testis production is nill, to keep their size I use 500iu E3D, that coincides with my E3D T shots.
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If I do one or two shots at the sitting, for me it is same.
So I consider E3D (T+hcg) routine more convenient and beneficial, than

T 1/week plus 2 days of HCG, that is 3 days with shots in a week, infrequent T shots, causing disstress in some.
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JansZ,
From some new research Im doing on hcG, keeping testicals alive for cosmetic and fertility purposes is looking like the secondary bonus to hcG.

The real bonus is that fact that LH receptors are scattered throughout the body, and hcG mimics LH.
 
Plymouth - does it make more sense to take the hCG all along while taking the test or taking it every few months (not necessarily stopping the test, as I now understand this is not the goal of HRT). I'm wondering if, for convenience, hCG could be used every few months for a weekly? period as opposed to E2D, etc...

Also, today is the day I see my doctor to pick up lab requests. I am going to make sure I at least have the following:

TSH, Free T3, Free T4, (my body temp is low, I'm not wondering if my symptoms are primarily from thyroid)

Test, Free Test, E2, FSH, LH, DHT

Anything else anyone can recommend that's mandatory? Sorry to be way OT.
 
rick055 said:
Plymouth - does it make more sense to take the hCG all along while taking the test or taking it every few months (not necessarily stopping the test, as I now understand this is not the goal of HRT). I'm wondering if, for convenience, hCG could be used every few months for a weekly? period as opposed to E2D, etc...

Also, today is the day I see my doctor to pick up lab requests. I am going to make sure I at least have the following:

TSH, Free T3, Free T4, (my body temp is low, I'm not wondering if my symptoms are primarily from thyroid)

Test, Free Test, E2, FSH, LH, DHT

Anything else anyone can recommend that's mandatory? Sorry to be way OT.
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rick,
we want to always stay on hcG while on HRT. Specific dose is 250IU E3D.

I would not recommend you get any of that BW done. I am going to assume, and will probably be right, that it is not being done at Quest. BW in general can be difficult to give a overall general picture. Save your money.

Ideally
1. Urines(Rheins)
2. Quest BW
3. As a last last last last resort, threw Labcorp at LEF.

In house labs are going to be invalid.
 
JanSz said:
Hard to say, I think both HCG and Arimidex are safe when used in doses mostly used for TRT.

Human Growth Hormone, HGH,
I have cancer, liposarcoma.
Some cancers are promoted by HGH, my cancer is within that group, I will not use HGH.

All this is rather cutting edge, hard to find definitive information.

Lately there was a thread on Sermorelin.

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Sermorelin induces body to produce its own HGH.

It is going to be tougher and tougher to figure out.
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With your TotalT=425 you have little choice, you have to use testosterone.
You do have certain amount of choice about HCG.
If you do not care about preserwing fertility, do not use HCG, your testis will shrink but that is cosmetics at this point.

Make sure that you get more thorough test than just testosterone, usually people who have low T shortly find out about other problems that they have.

Start with good blood test. Use mine list here, post #44.
You may want to peruse the whole thread.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html
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Often people start on Tgels, creams etc. Transdermals do not work for certain group of people. For some they work.
Try to spend as liitle time as possible on transdermals.
If you find they do not work for you go ASAP for injections.
Make sure they are SubQ 31ga needles, rather than big nails.
Here usualy doc may want to give you only smal dose of Testosterone, no HCG and se if that would work.
After your testis are shrunk, they make attempt at reviwing them, give you script for HCG.

I wish I could have started with higher dose of T and HCG righ away.

On my thread:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html
I figured out how to get to proper injected T-dose quicker.
You need to have SHBG value to figure that out.

When time comes I can help you figure out your initial dose.

Make sure you do long blood test, will save you tons of grief.
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JanSz, in this quote you suggest using a 31gauge needle, is that for HCG or Test Cyp? I didnt think you could get Test through 31gauge.
 
calvin6697 said:
JanSz, in this quote you suggest using a 31gauge needle, is that for HCG or Test Cyp? I didnt think you could get Test through 31gauge.
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I do this every three days and inject subq around navel.
30units Depo-T and 500iu HCG Novarel (2 syringes)

I draw 30 units and it takes 4 minutes,
I then make sure that shot takes at least one minute.
No pain whatsoever, no soreness.
After shot is done I keep the needle in for another 30 second or so.
It is very short needle, sometimes tiny tiny drop of oil shows up on skin, if I wait with pulling out the needle, then it happens less often.

I use these needles;
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BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $25.95

these are also good:
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Easy Touch U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16 inch Short Needle 100/Box Sale Price: $13.99

for larger doses
BD Ultrafine U-100 Insulin Syringe 30 Gauge 1/2cc 1/2Inch 100/Box Price: $23.50
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Note;
So it would fit into 3/10mL syringe
I disolve my 10000iu Novarel using 5mL of bacteriostatic water
500iu=25units

I use my Novarel untill is all gone.
10000/500=20 shots
20*3=60 days
 
JanSz said:
I do this every three days and inject subq around navel.
30units Depo-T and 500iu HCG Novarel (2 syringes)

I draw 30 units and it takes 4 minutes,
I then make sure that shot takes at least one minute.
No pain whatsoever, no soreness.

I use these needles;
Invalid Link Removed
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $25.95

these are also good:
Invalid Link Removed
Easy Touch U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16 inch Short Needle 100/Box Sale Price: $13.99

for larger doses
BD Ultrafine U-100 Insulin Syringe 30 Gauge 1/2cc 1/2Inch 100/Box Price: $23.50
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Thanks very interesting.
 
calvin6697 said:
I am a little confused, do you inject your Testosterone around your navel? I thought it had to be IM?
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Yes, Depo-Testosterone shots, 200mg/ml, 30units per shot, SubQ around navel.

Totally painless, or same as hcg shots.

Ask my pines, it works for him, so I do not argue.
 
JanSz said:
Yes, Depo-Testosterone shots, 200mg/ml, 30units per shot, SubQ around navel.

Totally painless, or same as hcg shots.

Ask my pines, it works for him, so I do not argue.
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I believe you, I am pretty new to all of this so forgive my ignorance. SubQ means just under the skin right? IM means intramuscular?
 
calvin6697 said:
I believe you, I am pretty new to all of this so forgive my ignorance. SubQ means just under the skin right? IM means intramuscular?
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SubQ means just under the skin right?--------YES
but if you enough fat on belly, you can go straight thru, 90degree, no slanted needle, as one would do with long needle.

IM means intramuscular?---------------YES

with much larger and longer needle.
put the needle in anatomically available space (study anatomy)
after you put needle in, pull the plunger back, looking for punctured vein and blood
re-insert and repeat until no blood present
after the shot, wait, sometimes few days for pain or discomfort to diappear

systen not really conducive to use by non-professionals,
and not condudive to frequent E2D or E3D shots

that is why often you see convoluted reasons to buy time between shots.
 
rick055 said:
does sub-q T last longer than IM?

What's the pros/cons?
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For me it is in size of needles and complexity of doing the shot.

By my personal experience, the shots are getting into the system, I feel much better than any time that I was on transdermals.

Numerical proof could possibly come in couple of weeks after my blood test.
 
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