Liver Protection Poll
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asap nutrition
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I know that from reseach Milk Thristle doesn't do any thing for liver fuction or detoxing. But I take it for placebo effects because I believe that it works.
I also take Dandelion, NAC, bilberry, blueberry extract and fresh blueberries, cranberry extract and cranberry juice for liver and kidneys detoxification.
I also take Dandelion, NAC, bilberry, blueberry extract and fresh blueberries, cranberry extract and cranberry juice for liver and kidneys detoxification.
asap nutrition
Member
Oh if you are going to take the Rice yeast then make sure you take CO enzyme Q-10 to replemish the liver
LakeMountD
Doctor Science
asap nutrition said:
This is definitely wrong.
asap nutrition said:
As for the CO Q-10 I would go with idebenone instead, since it is a more effective analog of CO Q-10 and also works synergyistically.
We have these bases covered in our Cycle Support formula at AnabolicInnovations.com
LakeMountD
Doctor Science
yeahright said:
Duh thats what I was doing! :clean:
UnicronSpawn
Active member
Allright, you guys finally wore me down. Lol.
Im sold.
I just bought some cycle support for my cycle. it's a small price to pay for ones health. I got penut butter so I'll get a "coktail effect" when I put it in chocolate protien powder.:food:
Im sold.
I just bought some cycle support for my cycle. it's a small price to pay for ones health. I got penut butter so I'll get a "coktail effect" when I put it in chocolate protien powder.:food:
UnicronSpawn
Active member
Sea223 said:
I prefer milk anyway, but I dont know what I'll do 4wks from now when I switch to cutting. I ussually switch to water in my shakes at that point.
guess I'll just enjoy the milk while it lasts.
LakeMountD
Doctor Science
Sharia said:
Personally, after talking with people they seem to be feeling the effects, especially with blood pressure, pretty quickly. I think 2 weeks before is fine. If not then I would run it at the start of the cycle and through PCT since cholesterol levels will be low in PCT, etc.
CallmeClark
Member
I stay on a liver supplement myself. It doesn't really matter what I'm doing. Liv-52, it seems to work pretty well.
drumirvin
New member
lozgod's liver therapy is almost exactly like mine....especially during precontest when the orals and the dosages can get crazy. I am always somewhat elevated (liver enzymes) that's what you get when you take liquid d-bol as first timer.....(pre Anabolicminds.com board). Balance, control and proper maintenence is required to keep the liver up an runnin...It's funny that after a cycle I am elevated..have blood work...get yelled at by the doctor...take ala/milk thistle...the whole nine yards...lower levels to normal and the doc just shakes her head in displeasement... It's like it's my fault or something...well screw her. sorry tangent...mildly intolerent to anything right now do to 13 weeks of dieting...
Drum
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CallmeClark
Member
I hear ya on the diet man. I've been on the cut since 08/06/06. I'm just about to crack. lol I'm on down though, almost to my target. So, not too much longer, maybe another 4 weeks. How far out are you do ya figure?
CallmeClark
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Heh, nice. Good luck man. I know it sucks. Invalid Link Removed
Supa Freek 420
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jonesboy said:
I don't believe Liver Longer requires a ramp-up period.
gators52
Member
So many different opinions...i'm so confused...lol
What you reccommend for someone doing his first 6 week oral cycle? since i dont know if my blood pressure will go up or how my cholesterol will react just yet, shouldI just take NAC during cycle and PCT and see what the blood work comes back as, then adjust for future cycles?
What you reccommend for someone doing his first 6 week oral cycle? since i dont know if my blood pressure will go up or how my cholesterol will react just yet, shouldI just take NAC during cycle and PCT and see what the blood work comes back as, then adjust for future cycles?
UnicronSpawn
Active member
Theres lot's of opinions because theres more than one way that works. Personally Id run Liv-52 through the cycle AND for a few weeks after. (It's cheap enough if you look around.) Adding in milk thistle in during PCT. (you can run it during too, but it supposedly slightly reduces the effectiveness of your methylated orals. People do it all the time and w/out noticing the reduction in absorption though.) If blood pressure is a concern, I like to take celery seed extract.
You dont need to take every liver cleanser in existance to protect against a reasonably dosed oral cycle of reasonable duration, unless you have a history of elevated liver enzymes, or if your paranoid and rich. I only do blood work once a year, but my enzyme values are always on point by the time I finish PCT.
Id pick no more than two of the reccomended products, and see how your blood work turns out. (give a few weeks after ending the cycle to let the supps do their thing b4 testing enzymes, unless you have mad money to burn, in wich case getting tested both on and after cycle would be ideal.) If your enzymes are out of range, then choose different supps, or stack a few together. No big deal brother.
You dont need to take every liver cleanser in existance to protect against a reasonably dosed oral cycle of reasonable duration, unless you have a history of elevated liver enzymes, or if your paranoid and rich. I only do blood work once a year, but my enzyme values are always on point by the time I finish PCT.
Id pick no more than two of the reccomended products, and see how your blood work turns out. (give a few weeks after ending the cycle to let the supps do their thing b4 testing enzymes, unless you have mad money to burn, in wich case getting tested both on and after cycle would be ideal.) If your enzymes are out of range, then choose different supps, or stack a few together. No big deal brother.
UnicronSpawn
Active member
gators52 said:
If your insurance pays for it then you should.
But gettin the whole nine yards done ussually costs me a couple hundred dollars. If I was making more money Id just put up the money and do it more often. Once during each cycle and once after each. Some insurance co's dont like spending hundreds every couple months for "preventative diagnostic" precedures. If your sick, fine, but if your not then some co's would rather you just ignore your levels until you ARE sick I guess. Kind of messed up.
RisingAgainst
Banned
The 'watering down' that you're referring to is so slight that it's really not noticeable. In my eyes, health > any amount of gains.
SubliminalX
Member
I haven't seen any clear evidence that "liver protection" really helps all that much. And it's not the methyl group itself that is toxic (many ingested food stuffs are methylated), it's the effect of androgens themselves on liver metabolism. Androgenicity in the liver affects bile content/activity.
2 weeks in on H-drol and my ALT levels went slightly above normal:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/71773-halodrol-h-drol.html
And I take AI cycle support. Bloodwork says it all.
2 weeks in on H-drol and my ALT levels went slightly above normal:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/71773-halodrol-h-drol.html
And I take AI cycle support. Bloodwork says it all.
kidracer69
Member
Anyone any experience on not taking a liver support one cycle and then taking it the next- feel any difference?
ironman0370
New member
Same for me.
Ziquor
Well-known member
I've used Liv.52 for quite a while now. It's studied to be the most potent liver detox formula by quite a few studies including one from Oxford ---> Invalid Link Removed <---
I read a few different articles, one by Big Cat, that recommends not taking liver supps on a ph cycle because it can greatly decrease the effects of a PH, especially 17a-meth ones. That said I personally don't think there's any point to taking a liv supp while ON because if you keep your cycle to 6 weeks or less and don't take insanely high doses of a compound, your liver will be more than fine dosing liver support after cycle. Unless of course you have liver problems to begin with, but in that case you shouldn't be on a meth PH anyhow. I'll always use Liv.52 for a few weeks before I start any cycle to 'cleanse' my liver. Then I'll use Liv.52 for 4-6 weeks after any cycle too. While ON a cycle I'll dose PH upon waking then again 4-6 hours later (before workout). I use cycle support - but I only use 1 scoop before bed as opposed to 1 in the morning & 1 at night. I feel this way it won't affect the PH dose since I'm taking it before bed and my PH dose many hours before., plus I still get the piece of mind that I'm taking something for heart, prostate, & liver.
I read a few different articles, one by Big Cat, that recommends not taking liver supps on a ph cycle because it can greatly decrease the effects of a PH, especially 17a-meth ones. That said I personally don't think there's any point to taking a liv supp while ON because if you keep your cycle to 6 weeks or less and don't take insanely high doses of a compound, your liver will be more than fine dosing liver support after cycle. Unless of course you have liver problems to begin with, but in that case you shouldn't be on a meth PH anyhow. I'll always use Liv.52 for a few weeks before I start any cycle to 'cleanse' my liver. Then I'll use Liv.52 for 4-6 weeks after any cycle too. While ON a cycle I'll dose PH upon waking then again 4-6 hours later (before workout). I use cycle support - but I only use 1 scoop before bed as opposed to 1 in the morning & 1 at night. I feel this way it won't affect the PH dose since I'm taking it before bed and my PH dose many hours before., plus I still get the piece of mind that I'm taking something for heart, prostate, & liver.
tsplittorff
New member
I use small amount of milk thistle everyday 250mg i think..
How often does everyone actually have bloodwork?
How often does everyone actually have bloodwork?
MassiveLiving
New member
I just started my first PH cycle recently and have heard it would be beneficial to include liver support as part of my cycle.
I have PERFECT CYCLE Liver Support by Anabolic Xtreme. Each tablet is 300mg Milk Thistle/100mg Lipoic Acid/500mg N-Acetyl-Cysteine.
I am just concerned about this supp hindering the effects of my PH cycle.
I saw a remark about not needing it unless you take high doses of PH which I don't, or unless you have current liver problems, which I don't.
So should I wait to take the liver support after my PH cycle?
I have PERFECT CYCLE Liver Support by Anabolic Xtreme. Each tablet is 300mg Milk Thistle/100mg Lipoic Acid/500mg N-Acetyl-Cysteine.
I am just concerned about this supp hindering the effects of my PH cycle.
I saw a remark about not needing it unless you take high doses of PH which I don't, or unless you have current liver problems, which I don't.
So should I wait to take the liver support after my PH cycle?
russianstar
Well-known member
Or live until your 35
Redeemer
Member
Bump on this. I just want to see feedback from others (negative and positive) on this comment.
ReaperX
Well-known member
I agree with SubliminalX. I think liver care/liver support is a crock of shlt and a false sense of security for people.
The majority of ppl don't get bloodwork, and even if they do and take their 'liver support' and their liver values go down, well they would have went down anyway without it.
My liver values both ALT/AST were well over 500. I doubt anyone has had higher liver values than that, and they went back to normal. I didn't take anything for it.
jcp2
Active member
I read quite a bit about liver toxicity on this board, and i can say i am not very experienced with prohormones but i have been around the boards a bit in regards to steroids. As far as liver problems, i have never seen nor heard of any long term liver damage from anyone at all. I have known people on the boards who have died, and one i can think of that personally attributed it to being stupid with orals, but he ended up with kidney issues from High bp and god knows what else. I have also not seen, at least that i can remember, anyone suffering long term liver damage from medicinal anadrol. And if you don't know the medicinal doseing look it up. I don't think taking any of these liver "protectors" is a bad thing, they are all good for you at some level to the best of my knowledge. Also as far as i know the ALT/AST number doesn't really mean much and is not a sign of liver damage. As far as steroids go i was always much more concerned about my HDL and BP. The liver problems were nonexistant.
