Liquid Beef aminos

Derock said:
Example?? What is that supposed to mean? In hindsight, it does look like I'm jumping on here to promote this product. But I've been a long time lurker here and I mainly post on other forums where I have never even mentioned this product. I've done logs for various supplements and give a completely unbiased review of them. I like to try different things and I have NEVER USED this product. I repeat, THIS PRODUCT MAY BE *COMPLETELY USELESS*, BUT I WANT TO TRY IT.

I said I haven't used them (although I just ordered some from elsewhere) so I can't say whether they are good or not. What is wrong with requesting a product so they can be tried? I mean, do you really think every single product sold here works well enough to justify the price?

I consider myself to be a very logical and reasonable person, so I'll give my perspective and I would love to hear an arguement against it. If nutraplanet carries the product, then people can try it and give an unbiased opinon. That way we can separate the hype from reality. If they work, then people here will say they work. If they don't, then we will know better. Then when anyone posts about trying LBA on various forums, they can search the net and find two places were there is a lot of feedback. One is a forum where everyone says they work great but they are sheeps to a man selling them, and the other is an unbiased forum where people say they don't work. Then they can make an honest evaluation. Or if they really do work, then they can see that even on forums where there is no incentive to promote the product, people are still saying they are getting good results.

But without getting the product in stock to try, how is anyone going to know whether it really is bunk or not?

A perfectly reasonable person would realize that there is nothing wrong with asking a company to simply carry a product to try. If you don't want to use it, fine. Yet you should be happy people are getting a chance to try it so if they say it doesn't work, you can laugh at them an say I told you so. That is what I would do at least... And then we all learn that LBA aren't what they are cracked up to be. And if they do work as well as some say, then we have a great new product. Win win if you ask me.
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I completely agree with the assesment that the request for nutraplanet is not an unreasonable one.

since you quoted one word of mine, which is ridiculous in itself, and then replied to it in the sense that it wasn't regards to anything else... i hardly see a point to argue since... you really didn't make an effort to try to argue with anything I said.

The fact of the matter is - just because nutraplanet doesn't carry it yet doesn't mean people haven't tried it before. This is ignorance at it's best. If you know Matt you know that he very knowledgable and helpful in this field. I don't think he'd carry someone people we spreding false claims about and promote it. Check out the bulk items NP carries. All sold products with real studies backing them as well as real life feed back.

If you want to try it - go ahead. You can have your own opinion. Just don't try to tell me I'm wrong for having mine. I think the claims are absolutely obsurd. The people who back it are ridiculously offensive and close minded and anything that you HAVE to "try to find out" if it really works - doesn't. And as a consumer you SHOULD care and SHOULD know the full story about what your putting on your body. If YOU don't care about your body or your money then spend away. But don't tell me I shouldn't think your foolish for doing so.


1) Increasing the ability to fight infection and decreasing the inflammatory response of pathogenic infection

2) Increasing the ability to resist the immunosuppressive and catabolic effects of overtraining and other environmental stressors

3) Increasing alimentary levels of IGF-1 and TGF-beta1 thus aiding in intestinal integrity and intestinal absorptive ability of nutrients – especially protein

4) Increasing appetite as well as the efficiency of ingested protein towards lean body mass accretion
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the only thing note worthy here is the unspecified increase in IGF, which isn't an immediate benefit. It would take much longer than a month to see results from elevated levels of IGF, and how much are they elevating them? And who is Billy Carpenter?
 
jlowsho said:
I completely agree with the assesment that the request for nutraplanet is not an unreasonable one.

since you quoted one word of mine, which is ridiculous in itself, and then replied to it in the sense that it wasn't regards to anything else... i hardly see a point to argue since... you really didn't make an effort to try to argue with anything I said.

The fact of the matter is - just because nutraplanet doesn't carry it yet doesn't mean people haven't tried it before. This is ignorance at it's best. If you know Matt you know that he very knowledgable and helpful in this field. I don't think he'd carry someone people we spreding false claims about and promote it. Check out the bulk items NP carries. All sold products with real studies backing them as well as real life feed back.

If you want to try it - go ahead. You can have your own opinion. Just don't try to tell me I'm wrong for having mine. I think the claims are absolutely obsurd. The people who back it are ridiculously offensive and close minded and anything that you HAVE to "try to find out" if it really works - doesn't. And as a consumer you SHOULD care and SHOULD know the full story about what your putting on your body. If YOU don't care about your body or your money then spend away. But don't tell me I shouldn't think your foolish for doing so.
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Yeah, I guess it does look a little weird just quoting a single word, but you are the one who used the single word "example" to respond to my statement. That was the only thing you said in response to me, so that is what I quoted. I was responding to the idea that I'm somehow an "example" of something. I'm not quite sure what, but I assume an example of either someone trying to promote the product or someone who believes internet hype about a product that you believe has no backing.

I never said you were wrong for having your opinion. As you said yourself, I didn't try to argue with anything you said because I never said you're wrong or right. I simply have no opinion on the product hence wanting to try it.

I believe bulk BCAA (and other bulk powders) such as those offered by NutraPlanet are great. Are BCAA and EEA better and cheaper for the value than LBA? Its certainly possible. But all I said was that I would like NP to carry the product so I can make my own assesment which you don't disagree with.

You said because nutraplanet doesn't carry it doesn't mean people haven't tried it. This is true and a lot of feedback on it says its great, so that is partly why I wanted to try it in the first place.

Also, sometimes science and research studies aren't totally up to date with what works and why it works. Please don't take this to mean that I don't value scientific studies or that I want to try every single product that people hype on the internet. I can be as skeptical as anyone when it comes to all the crazy supplements out there. But assuming LBA are safe, they wouldn't hurt to try it. Maybe over time science will reveal certain factors that explain why they work so well if that happens to be the case.

Sorry for any misunderstanding and I respect your opinion. There is a chance you are right about this product being overpriced bunk. But there should really be no need for arguement in this thread. It is a simple product request which you yourself have no problem with.
 
your right my friend.

let me explain why I quoted you, I actually was refering to a point I had made in my post immediately PREceding the one I quoted you in. I'm very scatter brained and kind of jot things down as they come to me.

My point in quoting you was so exemplify the fact that all this product has is people on the boards raving about it. That's it.

and to be honest - yes - it's VERY enticing to see all this feedback saying it's awesome. At least at first glance. We (including me) get excited about a product like this because we WANT to believe in it. But further investigation completely rules 99% of these claims out.

If it were being sold as just a different BCAA source and was priced competitively then I'd say it has merit. But the claims are outrageous and the give no real world answers as to HOW any of them could be possible.

To article above posted by "Billy Carpenter" (who ever he is) is someone's opinion. Where are the sources? This OBVIOUSLY wasn't pulled from pubmed.

Even proven great minds in the biz - Par Dues, PA, etc... post sources because that's what makes what your saying more than opinion. Which may or may not be biased.

I'd love to believe in this product but they answer no questions and get defensive and down right HOSTLE with every one that questions it. Eventually citing "try it and find out". Sounds like advice from some one who doesn't want to answer questions - they just want to see you spend 200 bucks.

Again, I apologize for the misunderstanding. Totally my fault there.
 
jlowsho said:
your right my friend.

let me explain why I quoted you, I actually was refering to a point I had made in my post immediately PREceding the one I quoted you in. I'm very scatter brained and kind of jot things down as they come to me.

My point in quoting you was so exemplify the fact that all this product has is people on the boards raving about it. That's it.

and to be honest - yes - it's VERY enticing to see all this feedback saying it's awesome. At least at first glance. We (including me) get excited about a product like this because we WANT to believe in it. But further investigation completely rules 99% of these claims out.

If it were being sold as just a different BCAA source and was priced competitively then I'd say it has merit. But the claims are outrageous and the give no real world answers as to HOW any of them could be possible.

To article above posted by "Billy Carpenter" (who ever he is) is someone's opinion. Where are the sources? This OBVIOUSLY wasn't pulled from pubmed.

Even proven great minds in the biz - Par Dues, PA, etc... post sources because that's what makes what your saying more than opinion. Which may or may not be biased.

I'd love to believe in this product but they answer no questions and get defensive and down right HOSTLE with every one that questions it. Eventually citing "try it and find out". Sounds like advice from some one who doesn't want to answer questions - they just want to see you spend 200 bucks.

Again, I apologize for the misunderstanding. Totally my fault there.
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No problem. I can't find a good explanation as to why it should work so well and Phil Hernon seems to get strangely defensive when the product he promotes is questioned. Bulk BCAA taken at like 40 grams a day or workout have given people great results, so maybe it is just a more expensive way to get the same effect.

If this has things in common with beef plasma however (I have no idea if it does), it may have benefits beyond traditional AA supplements. If it does have factors or ratios that give it an edge over other AA supplements that have yet to be fully understood, then it could be worth it. I just don't know one way or another. This leads me to figure that the only way I'm going to get an answer is to try it myself.
 
on a side note I found who billy carpenter is and I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to portray him in a bad light. He is a credible source (or was, rather. Prayers for his family) but his lack of refrences for that article leave MUCH to the imagination. Again, just a side note. Not bashing Billy.
 
Just as a side note there is another company that sells the lba's under a different label. I am 100% certain it is manufactured for them by EFX. (I talked to the owner of EFX) It is double the size - 32 ozs. for around $10. I won't post it here but if someone from Nutra wants to pm me I can give them the info.
 
lol Hey how did my pancakes get into this thread? SHILL :)


CROWLER
 
endless said:
Just as a side note there is another company that sells the lba's under a different label. I am 100% certain it is manufactured for them by EFX. (I talked to the owner of EFX) It is double the size - 32 ozs. for around $10. I won't post it here but if someone from Nutra wants to pm me I can give them the info.
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I spoke to a rep too bro after talking with you. It is not the same product. Think of what goes into a hot dog versus a steak....:hot:
 
Max32 said:
I spoke to a rep too bro after talking with you. It is not the same product. Think of what goes into a hot dog versus a steak....:hot:
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So I wonder what would be missing in their product? The label reads the same from what I remember. Just curious.
 
I forgot all abut this thread. has anyone has unusual success dosing beef amino's?

I think Ken Waller used to dose these really high. Possibly all the seventies bodybuilder's
 
i figure i owe an update on my experience as my opinion has changed somewhat. just finished my case of this stuff recently.

initially i was super psyched because i felt it right away. sweating, permanently pumped muscles, and felt leaner.

however, the effect seemed to diminish over time.
now i believe what i was feeling was the high amount of glycerol in lbas. i had never used glycerol before this.

after that initial feeling diminished, i'm not sure if i got much of a permanent composition change.

IMO - i still liked it, but i feel is too expensive to not be 100% sure it is doing as advertised.
 
Hank Vangut said:
i figure i owe an update on my experience as my opinion has changed somewhat. just finished my case of this stuff recently.

initially i was super psyched because i felt it right away. sweating, permanently pumped muscles and felt leaner.

however, the effect seemed to diminish over time.
now i believe what i was feeling was the high amount of glycerol in lbas. i had never used glycerol before this.

after that initial feeling diminished, i'm not sure if i got much of a composition change.

IMO - i still liked it, but i feel is too expensive to not be 100% sure it is doing as advertised.
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First thing that comes to my mind is a short cycle of this stuff. Like only one order. prove me wrong !
 
smeton_yea said:
First thing that comes to my mind is a short cycle of this stuff. Like only one order. prove me wrong !
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true, it is difficult to accurately evaluate over this short of a period.
i was only able to stretch 1 case over a six week period. so i was also dosing lower than most.
i was told that you need to run it longer to see the results. and most of those who report very positive results are running them long term or are friends with the promoter of these.
but i just can't afford it.
 
im going to buy a quart of glycerine and see what that does..lots cheaper... justin harris thinks thats where people are getting the gr8 FEELINGS from...

phats
 
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