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Question regarding ph 17/19. If they are both more or less dhea, then what makes one better suited for cutting and the other for mass?
I'm no chemist and the nomenclature looks different for each compound, so how then are they both dhea and how do they exert opposite gains?
 
Anabro said:
Question regarding ph 17/19. If they are both more or less dhea, then what makes one better suited for cutting and the other for mass?
I'm no chemist and the nomenclature looks different for each compound, so how then are they both dhea and how do they exert opposite gains?
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19 is a 6-Keto-Progesterone + Octopamine.

We have PH17 marketed as being a cutting agent....and PH19(the octopamine in it will help you burn FAT!) marketed as a mass agent. I feel it should be vice versa(except 17PROANDRO makes more sense for it to be marketed as a cutting agent)....these ph's will help RETAIN muscle if not GAIN a little bit of muscle while cutting. When bulking they will have a light muscle building / recovery effect. Thats why I always say keep your expectations low on our ph's.

I'd use 19 over 17, but 17 will work just fine.

You can think of 17 like a winstrol, not going to do you drastically in building muscle, but will help retain it during cutting phases + pretty much no water retention.

17ProAndro I guess can be marketed like a Anavar mimicker...because of the two 17 forms + 3,5,7 AI will ensure you WILL achieve a drier physque by the time the cycle is over.(if you've been a good boy doing your cardio + manipulating macro nutrients aswell!) Won't do you much building muscle wise like real Anavar would, but I hope you get the picture :)

19 is marketed as Tren mimicker.....well the 6-keto Progesterone + Octopamine.....it IS more anabolic than the 17 + the fat burning/insulin sensitivity effects of the Octo I guess makes sense for it to be marketed as a Tren.
 
So a 19 + 17PROAndro should yield some nice recomp, dry gain effect?
 
bla55 said:
So a 19 + 17PROAndro should yield some nice recomp, dry gain effect?
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I have the same thoughts as you, but I'm gonna run the 17proandro with Epiandro, in about two months. Going to use it to ease my cut into more of a recomp.
 
bla55 said:
So a 19 + 17PROAndro should yield some nice recomp, dry gain effect?
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Yep! That's actually a nice combo i'd recommend. I'd normally say keep the expectations low for our PH's....but with that stack...you can expect some pretty good Gains in mass and attaining a drier/leaner physique!
 
just finished first week of ph 19 at 2.5 ml 4x day. I am up 2-3 lbs which is awesome but really dont see any difference for now. Looking forward to stacking m1d black with it the last 4 weeks then extending just the m1d black at 8 caps a day for 4 extended weeks after finishing ph 19.
 
mindset101 said:
just finished first week of ph 19 at 2.5 ml 4x day. I am up 2-3 lbs which is awesome but really dont see any difference for now. Looking forward to stacking m1d black with it the last 4 weeks then extending just the m1d black at 8 caps a day for 4 extended weeks after finishing ph 19.
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Good stack! And 2-3 pounds in a week is tremendous dude. Nice work, keep it up! And thanks for the update!
 
Would 17 pro stand alone or stacked with M1 andro be acceptable for a 48 y/o? I have been lifting since college but have never done and PH's. I'm currently 228 at 5' 10" and probably around 18% BF (my guess) I'd like to trim some fat and cut up some while maintaining muscle mass if possible. Just wasn't sure at my age if this would be advisable? Any other suggestions would be welcomed. Any sides I should be careful of?
 
bubble boy said:
Would 17 pro stand alone or stacked with M1 andro be acceptable for a 48 y/o? I have been lifting since college but have never done and PH's. I'm currently 228 at 5' 10" and probably around 18% BF (my guess) I'd like to trim some fat and cut up some while maintaining muscle mass if possible. Just wasn't sure at my age if this would be advisable? Any other suggestions would be welcomed. Any sides I should be careful of?
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Have any health issues? Current? Past? You should be fine, 17pro + M1D Andro would be a good combo to maintain muscle while cutting. How will your nutrition / training plan look while using that combo?
 
No health issues, Cholesterol runs consistantly high but other than that no past or present issues.

Training is typically 2 on 1 off, right now its 1)chest/shoulders, 2)Legs, off, 3)Bis/Tris, 4)Back/calves/traps. I don't typicall have light and heavy days but more heavy and if I'm fealing tired or sore I will make that a light day.

Nutrition is mostly clean, probably cheated more lately than I should but getting back on track. I'm at about 2700 - 3000 calories 40/30/30

I see the andro kit has 1 Andro, which would be better to stack with 17 pro, 1 Andro or M1? Or am I confused and they are the same?

Thanks for the help!
 
bubble boy said:
No health issues, Cholesterol runs consistantly high but other than that no past or present issues.

Training is typically 2 on 1 off, right now its 1)chest/shoulders, 2)Legs, off, 3)Bis/Tris, 4)Back/calves/traps. I don't typicall have light and heavy days but more heavy and if I'm fealing tired or sore I will make that a light day.

Nutrition is mostly clean, probably cheated more lately than I should but getting back on track. I'm at about 2700 - 3000 calories 40/30/30

I see the andro kit has 1 Andro, which would be better to stack with 17 pro, 1 Andro or M1? Or am I confused and they are the same?

Thanks for the help!
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How is your volume like per bodypart? How many sets?

Nutrition looks good, basic.

Stack M1D Andro witth !7pro and 1-andro, they are not the same.
 
Just added a bottle of ph17 to my SD cycle. Had a bottle laying around and decided to use it. I'm on my third day and feeling a thermo effect all day. It feels like summer in the winter lol. I'm dosing 3ml in the morning than 3-4 hours later ill dose another 1.5ml than 3-4 hours another 3ml and last but not least 3-4 hours later another 1.5ml. That's 6 servings per day. So far so good. Only doing one bottle though.
 
halfhuman said:
Just added a bottle of ph17 to my SD cycle. Had a bottle laying around and decided to use it. I'm on my third day and feeling a thermo effect all day. It feels like summer in the winter lol. I'm dosing 3ml in the morning than 3-4 hours later ill dose another 1.5ml than 3-4 hours another 3ml and last but not least 3-4 hours later another 1.5ml. That's 6 servings per day. So far so good. Only doing one bottle though.
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A thermo effect? From 17?
 
TheHardOne said:
How is your volume like per bodypart? How many sets?

Nutrition looks good, basic.

Stack M1D Andro witth !7pro and 1-andro, they are not the same.
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Workouts vary but typically 4 sets of 4 exercises per body part. Legs require more volume to pyramid up to working sets.

So you suggest stacking all three? Follow the dosage on the label and 8 wks?
 
bubble boy said:
Workouts vary but typically 4 sets of 4 exercises per body part. Legs require more volume to pyramid up to working sets.

So you suggest stacking all three? Follow the dosage on the label and 8 wks?
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I just want to make sure when using our PH's your progressing and when progression stops you will know what to do.

If you stack all of those, label rec would be enough to elict a noticeable mass building effect and/or retain if not gain muscle while cutting.
 
So, Im almost on week 4 of ph17 and last week I added in ph 19 and I think my left nipple is getting sensitive. Its freaking me out. Could the ph19 be causing this? And what can I do about this? Do I need to discontinue it?
 
Anabro said:
So, Im almost on week 4 of ph17 and last week I added in ph 19 and I think my left nipple is getting sensitive. Its freaking me out. Could the ph19 be causing this? And what can I do about this? Do I need to discontinue it?
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Gyno from 17 or 19?! Thats HIGHLY unlikely, let me get a closer glimsp on these chemicals real quick and ill get back to you.

 
TheHardOne said:
Gyno from 17 or 19?! Thats HIGHLY unlikely, let me get a closer glimsp on these chemicals real quick and ill get back to you.
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I'm on week 7 of ph 17 dosing 8 doses a day with 11 ketotestosterone, dermacrine and formeron...balls are big and plump have not felt any side effects and definitely no gyno so I'm guessing the only thing that could cause it is the 19...doing a cutting cycle
 
Yeah I figured. I should mention I also added finaflex 550-xd at same time as ph19 which is supposed to convert to nandrolone but also included the arimidex ai like the phs in your andro series.

Obviously no rep is gonna wanna say yeah its our product. I have had nothing but a good experience with 17 so I figure it must be the 19 or the 550.
I was was on amother forum and some people were saying the progestin from the 19 could be a gyno risk but then again so could the nandrolone despite the AI. Last thing I want is to stop but I'm obviously no expert. Any opinions?
 
Anabro said:
Yeah I figured. I should mention I also added finaflex 550-xd at same time as ph19 which is supposed to convert to nandrolone but also included the arimidex ai like the phs in your andro series.

Obviously no rep is gonna wanna say yeah its our product. I have had nothing but a good experience with 17 so I figure it must be the 19 or the 550.
I was was on amother forum and some people were saying the progestin from the 19 could be a gyno risk but then again so could the nandrolone despite the AI. Last thing I want is to stop but I'm obviously no expert. Any opinions?
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It would probably be from the 550, not saying that because its from another brand...because its ALOT stronger then 17/19! lol
 
i'm a few days from finishing my ph19 and no side effects at all

however, i'd say if you're predisposed, anything hormonal can cause nip sensitivity...try stopping the finaflex and see
 
Anabro said:
Yeah I figured. I should mention I also added finaflex 550-xd at same time as ph19 which is supposed to convert to nandrolone but also included the arimidex ai like the phs in your andro series.

Obviously no rep is gonna wanna say yeah its our product. I have had nothing but a good experience with 17 so I figure it must be the 19 or the 550.
I was was on amother forum and some people were saying the progestin from the 19 could be a gyno risk but then again so could the nandrolone despite the AI. Last thing I want is to stop but I'm obviously no expert. Any opinions?
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Oh you're taking 550? Lol then that's what's causing it
 
Just finished first bottle of ph 19 at 2.5 ml 4x a day. Started 162lbs now 167lbs. Three more bottles to go! I added m1d black at 6 caps 2x a day about 3 days ago. Gonna run it to the end of cycle at 6 caps a day. Loving this cycle. No sides.
 
Which would be best for me, M1D Andro or 17-ProAndro. I'm wanting to pack on a just a few pounds, but I am concerned the with the M1D Andro that it will be mostly water weight that I will lose off cycle. Plan on running Form-XT for pct. I have ran a couple of cycles in the past of IBE Epistane with pct's. I really like the results I got from the Epistane...but hated the methylated formula. I plan on running either the M1D Andro or 17-ProAndro by itself.
 
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