Lg sciences ph-17

Ok so thanks for the help guys. I have decided to run 3 bottles of ph-17 instead of just one.
I also decided to play it safe and do a serm. A buddy pointed me to a apparently legit source for nolva that will shi to Canada.
So my cycle will be as follows (any comments are appreciated.)

Week 1: 80mg/4 doses

Week 2: 100mg/5 doses

Week 3: 120mg/ 6 doses

Week 4: 140/7 doses

Week 5: 140/ 7 doses

Week 6: 140/ 7 doses

Week 7: 160 / 8 doses

Week 8: 160/ 8 doses

PCT:
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Reboot
Sns Bulbine
Pes anabeta
Athletix Division 1 & Titanium XL.

Maybe overkill but I'm hopin to keep my gains and possiblly keep it going. Super excited.
 
testomonsta said:
When are the new products coming to nutraplanet?!


Don't mean to hijack the thread............Also, what would you think of running M1D Black with 11-oxo for a lean gains / cut? Dosing 3-4 caps per day, 11-oxo at 600mg with a pct of liquid nolva and a natty (obv having all the supports ect).

Just looking for opinions
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Hmmm...im assuming any day now....our warehouse situation will get fixed soon.

Looks good for what you want! Consistent gains while losing bodyfat!

 
Anabro said:
Ok so thanks for the help guys. I have decided to run 3 bottles of ph-17 instead of just one.
I also decided to play it safe and do a serm. A buddy pointed me to a apparently legit source for nolva that will shi to Canada.
So my cycle will be as follows (any comments are appreciated.)

Week 1: 80mg/4 doses

Week 2: 100mg/5 doses

Week 3: 120mg/ 6 doses

Week 4: 140/7 doses

Week 5: 140/ 7 doses

Week 6: 140/ 7 doses

Week 7: 160 / 8 doses

Week 8: 160/ 8 doses

PCT:
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Reboot
Sns Bulbine
Pes anabeta
Athletix Division 1 & Titanium XL.

Maybe overkill but I'm hopin to keep my gains and possiblly keep it going. Super excited.
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Save that PCT for a later cycle. (when you start using injectables + orals + being on for long periods of time 12+ weeks)

All you will need from running 17 even at 8 weeks is something like our Form-XT.

Im a honest rep not one trying to BS people.....I gotta say...

It looks like you have HUUUUUGE expectations running PH17, if your truly cutting, I would MAYBE expect to see a small amount of muscle by the time the cycle is over, and thats a maybe. It will do a fine job retaining muscle when going to an extreme for example...whats an "extreme"?..... HIIT 6-7x a week(20-30mins each), high volume(30-50 sets per bodypart) hypertrophy workouts 5-6 x a week and staying right at calorie maintenance or slightly below.

If your going to run that PCT i'd run other PH's / DS's / injects along with it. If you want to play it extremely safe, i'd atleast go with our M1D Andro, PH19, 17ProAndro, you will have a Test base + small dose of an AI(3,5,7) + PH / hormone enhancers + cortisol controlling ingredients in the M1D, then very anabolic, metabolism boosting, insulin sensitivity boosting effects, fat oxidation effects of the PH19(slight bloat effects have been noted from users), and a light anabolic with no bloating + small dose of an AI(3,5,7) in the 17 / 17proandro(which will give you a drier appearance).

Your PCT is good man, I don't want you to waste all that. Good thought / mindset to stay safe though! :)
 
boogyman said:
How would PH-17 and Decasarm stack for a summer lean bulk/strength run? And would OTC PCT be good enough for an 8 week run using directed dosing for each? Thinking of this combo after a badly needed, nice long spring cut.
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Logical combo. Make sure your hustlin' it with the HIIT and killin' it in the gym with lots of volume and intensity! For running both, i'd run a moderate PCT, Nolva for 4 weeks, 20,20,10,10, Form-XT, NMDA, L-Dopa(6 weeks on 6 off), ZMA, will be enough.

 
TheHardOne said:
Save that PCT for a later cycle. (when you start using injectables + orals + being on for long periods of time 12+ weeks)

All you will need from running 17 even at 8 weeks is something like our Form-XT.

Im a honest rep not one trying to BS people.....I gotta say...

It looks like you have HUUUUUGE expectations running PH17, if your truly cutting, I would MAYBE expect to see a small amount of muscle by the time the cycle is over, and thats a maybe. It will do a fine job retaining muscle when going to an extreme for example...whats an "extreme"?..... HIIT 6-7x a week(20-30mins each), high volume(30-50 sets per bodypart) hypertrophy workouts 5-6 x a week and staying right at calorie maintenance or slightly below.

If your going to run that PCT i'd run other PH's / DS's / injects along with it. If you want to play it extremely safe, i'd atleast go with our M1D Andro, PH19, 17ProAndro, you will have a Test base + small dose of an AI(3,5,7) + PH / hormone enhancers + cortisol controlling ingredients in the M1D, then very anabolic, metabolism boosting, insulin sensitivity boosting effects, fat oxidation effects of the PH19(slight bloat effects have been noted from users), and a light anabolic with no bloating + small dose of an AI(3,5,7) in the 17 / 17proandro(which will give you a drier appearance).

Your PCT is good man, I don't want you to waste all that. Good thought / mindset to stay safe though! :)
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There is virtually no shutdown whatsoever lol I'm on it right now. Every single rep has said a serm isn't necessary with PH 17 but its your choice
 
JD261985 said:
There is virtually no shutdown whatsoever lol I'm on it right now. Every single rep has said a serm isn't necessary with PH 17 but its your choice
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Ive been on our PH's for 12 weeks now, no shutdown at all.
 
Would it help if I added in a bottle of ph-19 bout midway thru my cycle? Tren is also unmethylated correct? Would the 2 together put undue stress on the liver?
On a side note, what if I were to take in more than maintenance calories?

I gain mass real easy. Bout 2 yrs back before a vacay I ran one bottle of anavar for 25 day at 40mg. Super short cycle, low dose and I actually gained 10lbs. Went from 185-195lbs in 25 days. Not sure if it makes a difference. And perhaps u are correct. I'm probably expecting too much. But still, if I can gain a few lbs of lean solid muscle and also drop a few lbs, then I'll be a happy camper.
 
Anabro said:
Would it help if I added in a bottle of ph-19 bout midway thru my cycle? Tren is also unmethylated correct? Would the 2 together put undue stress on the liver?
On a side note, what if I were to take in more than maintenance calories?

I gain mass real easy. Bout 2 yrs back before a vacay I ran one bottle of anavar for 25 day at 40mg. Super short cycle, low dose and I actually gained 10lbs. Went from 185-195lbs in 25 days. Not sure if it makes a difference. And perhaps u are correct. I'm probably expecting too much. But still, if I can gain a few lbs of lean solid muscle and also drop a few lbs, then I'll be a happy camper.
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1)Yes it will help, i'd add it from Day 1.

2)Its not Real tren, the compounds in PH19 gives the "end result" similar results to Tren, as in decreased bodyfat and added muscle mass

3)None of these are hard on the liver

4)for taking in more than maintenance calories then you will be more likely to spare muscle mass when you add on the cardio if not even put on more muscle mass, but this is just me speaking in general, i'd have to know more details

What kind of and how much cardio will you be doing? And can you list your training and nutrition plan aswell?
 
Anabro said:
Or would it be safe to run 4 weeks low dose ph-19 after my 8 or is 12 weeks askin for trouble?
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Ive run our MMv3 + TesTren at the higher doses than label rec, then moved on to 17 at label rec, and now im using 19/17 at label rec for a total of 12 weeks and I have experienced no shutdown effects at all. You can run 17 then 19 for a total of 12 weeks, but monitor your progress / effects, everyone is different. Longer you go, that PCT stack you had designed would come in handy.

I appreciate you being careful! :)
 
Thanks for your help man. Much appreciated. I'll leave the ph19 as a maybe. My main concern is shutdown and lover toxicity. I know its unusual to run orals for more than 8 weeks, but then again I do have a decent pct lined up. One last thing, I also have 2 bottles of the 7 keto spay. How/when would be best to add it in?
 
Anabro said:
Thanks for your help man. Much appreciated. I'll leave the ph19 as a maybe. My main concern is shutdown and lover toxicity. I know its unusual to run orals for more than 8 weeks, but then again I do have a decent pct lined up. One last thing, I also have 2 bottles of the 7 keto spay. How/when would be best to add it in?
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Add them on cycle man!

And no problem, changing lives is what LG strives for!
 
TheHardOne said:
Logical combo. Make sure your hustlin' it with the HIIT and killin' it in the gym with lots of volume and intensity! For running both, i'd run a moderate PCT, Nolva for 4 weeks, 20,20,10,10, Form-XT, NMDA, L-Dopa(6 weeks on 6 off), ZMA, will be enough.
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Sounds good. I would use clomid because i already have a supply on hand, 50,50,25,25. I have used Decavol, but not the newer Decasarm so I was not sure if serm would be needed for the PH17 and Decasarm combo. What I have done in the past when running milder prohormones is use OTC PCT, but keep clomid on hand if needed.
 
boogyman said:
Sounds good. I would use clomid because i already have a supply on hand, 50,50,25,25. I have used Decavol, but not the newer Decasarm so I was not sure if serm would be needed for the PH17 and Decasarm combo. What I have done in the past when running milder prohormones is use OTC PCT, but keep clomid on hand if needed.
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What's in decasarm? Dont think that's a ph and I know it isn't S4, GW or ostarine
 
boogyman said:
Sounds good. I would use clomid because i already have a supply on hand, 50,50,25,25. I have used Decavol, but not the newer Decasarm so I was not sure if serm would be needed for the PH17 and Decasarm combo. What I have done in the past when running milder prohormones is use OTC PCT, but keep clomid on hand if needed.
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Clomid will work just fine too.
 
Allot of good info on here. I'm thinking about starting ph19 and m1d OR ph17. I'm looking to gain mass. I have erase, dpol, endosurge for pct. Also the ph19 comes with 7 Keto. Should I run that with ph19 and m1d or save it for another pct since its the same as erase.
 
mindset101 said:
Allot of good info on here. I'm thinking about starting ph19 and m1d OR ph17. I'm looking to gain mass. I have erase, dpol, endosurge for pct. Also the ph19 comes with 7 Keto. Should I run that with ph19 and m1d or save it for another pct since its the same as erase.
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Run all of em! lol seriously. For mass, PH19 + MID would be your best bet from our line. You can run 7-keto on or after, it is underdosed so its going to last you maybe 2 weeks if you spray it 30 times 3-4x a day you should notice some fat loss from it.

Your pct looks good(enough) for our PH's.

 
Anabro said:
So bloody excited to start.!!! Even put up the extra $$$ for the fastest delivery option lol.
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Just remember to keep the expectations low! If you do that, you will appreciate the progress!

Keep us updated yeah? Thanks!
 
TheHardOne said:
Run all of em! lol seriously. For mass, PH19 + MID would be your best bet from our line. You can run 7-keto on or after, it is underdosed so its going to last you maybe 2 weeks if you spray it 30 times 3-4x a day you should notice some fat loss from it.

Your pct looks good(enough) for our PH's.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking. Thanks for the reply. I'm really not looking to loss any fat so I might save that for a cutting cycle. I just wanna put as much weight on as I can for now. Yeah I was thinking of running a serm but from the post I have read I don't need one.
 
Anabro said:
What would be better to stack with the ph-17...either ph-19 or methyl 1 D?
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Hmmm....both! Or if you could only pick one, i'd go M1D Andro to ensure your gains are absolutely dry + sex drive won't decrease.

 
Anabro said:
Nevermind. Decided to go with ph-19. Hopefully they work well together.
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They will, I ran them together, pretty decent size gains. 19 didn't give any water retention either.
 
Day two of ph-19 at 2.5 ml 4x a day. 8 week cycle. Excited to start seeing the gains. I have a bottle of m1d black. I think i might throw it in in the last 4 weeks and minimum dosage. What you guys think?
 
mindset101 said:
Day two of ph-19 at 2.5 ml 4x a day. 8 week cycle. Excited to start seeing the gains. I have a bottle of m1d black. I think i might throw it in in the last 4 weeks and minimum dosage. What you guys think?
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I'd have it in there at Label Rec dose for the entire cycle.
 
AlexErdellan said:
How suppressive are PH 17 and 19? Could they cause shut down if run for 6 weeks with proper pct?
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I ran our MMv3 + TesTren then went into PH17, then finished off with PH17+19 for a total of 14 weeks. Tapered the dose on all of those, no suppression at all yet lol, no side effects, sex drive still good, balls still normal sized.

I'd run for atleast 10-12 weeks, maybe start with PH19+M1D Andro+1-Andro(check out our SWEET deal on nutra right now!) for 8 weeks then finish off the cycle with PH17+OG Natadrol+M1D(black or andro or OG) for 4 weeks. OTC pct's will be fine. Form-XT + DAA for a few weeks.
 
Soooo I'm on day 10 of ph-17 (solo right now, still waiting for the ph19 to arrive in the mail). It doesn't seem from the logs to be a common occurence but I can definately say that my temper is through the roof. anybody else? Other than that, slightly leaner. Still plateaued on most lifts, except strangely for back & biceps, but it is early still.

Also, for the last 4 of 8 weeks, I'll be throwing in some Mechabol by Anateus Labs. I had originally opted to go the safest route with mild phs, but I have done 2 cycles of anavar in the past so I'm hoping I'm ready for this stack. Ph17/19 & Mechabol. Guess I'll definately be needing that SERM now eh?

That said, should be interesting to see how the gains are for the first 4 weeks before I throw the Mechabol in. Even still, from what I've seen it should take at least another 2 weeks before I see gains from the mechabol.

I'm a little wary that I'm overdoing it but screw it. Hoping for big things. Time to say adios to the mediocre physique. Can't wait to feel these supps kick in. If the bloody mechabol don't kill me, I'll let y'all know how it goes lol (*nervous laugh)
 
Anabro said:
Soooo I'm on day 10 of ph-17 (solo right now, still waiting for the ph19 to arrive in the mail). It doesn't seem from the logs to be a common occurence but I can definately say that my temper is through the roof. anybody else? Other than that, slightly leaner. Still plateaued on most lifts, except strangely for back & biceps, but it is early still.

Also, for the last 4 of 8 weeks, I'll be throwing in some Mechabol by Anateus Labs. I had originally opted to go the safest route with mild phs, but I have done 2 cycles of anavar in the past so I'm hoping I'm ready for this stack. Ph17/19 & Mechabol. Guess I'll definately be needing that SERM now eh?

That said, should be interesting to see how the gains are for the first 4 weeks before I throw the Mechabol in. Even still, from what I've seen it should take at least another 2 weeks before I see gains from the mechabol.

I'm a little wary that I'm overdoing it but screw it. Hoping for big things. Time to say adios to the mediocre physique. Can't wait to feel these supps kick in. If the bloody mechabol don't kill me, I'll let y'all know how it goes lol (*nervous laugh)
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1)I noticed that too, my overall mood was just crap with using just PH17. Just stay hydrated and remind yourself the gift of life! :) hehe

2)Yeah, you have Clomid or Nolva? Im sure you know how to dose it but lets see it :)

3)I'd say that would be macro nutrient / training / how much stress is in your life dependent on how fast you will see noticeable effects from those PH's.

4)I like your enthusiasm! Yes always strive to improve! Sounds like your after huge improvements, dream big man...dream BIG! But as far as overdoing it, nah...your good man. Thats not even close to a "overdoing" type of hormonal cycle haha. Trust me, ive seen guys around the 170-210(no offense!! :) ) run 10 iu's of GH daily, 100mcg's IGF-1 lr3 daily, 750mg-1g test sustanon, 100mg tren ace EOD, 50-80mg of Dbol then bridging into another oral for a total of 20+ weeks! Now at that level of development(170-210's) all that would just be a waste in my humble logical opinion.

Your cycle looks solid.

Thanks for the update!
 
Pct will be nolva 20/20/10/10 as well as FRL Reboot, pes anabeta and sns bulbine. And all of the support supps. Speaking of which anyone ever used baby aspirin for bp. Got alot of hypertension in the family so I'm paranoid.
 
Anabro said:
Pct will be nolva 20/20/10/10 as well as FRL Reboot, pes anabeta and sns bulbine. And all of the support supps. Speaking of which anyone ever used baby aspirin for bp. Got alot of hypertension in the family so I'm paranoid.
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Awesome PCT :)

No sorry I personally never used it, but on your cycle BP shouldn't be an issue even if it runs in the family.(taking on support supps on cycle + pct would be a great idea of course!) But if you were running something like a superdrol or dbol....something very very strong/harsh, then i'd be cautioned BIG time.

Hope you liked the Gift I gave ya in my PM, lots of watching/reading in that package :) Worth it though!
 
mindset101 said:
It recommends 4 pills a day but people say its under dosed to take 8 pills a day. Would you recommend that while on ph 19?
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You can run it at 8 pills a day. If your stacking, you can get away with a lower dose on the M1D. Not to mention save you some cash :)
 
TheHardOne said:
You can run it at 8 pills a day. If your stacking, you can get away with a lower dose on the M1D. Not to mention save you some cash :)
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Yeah money tight right now especially buying 4 bottles of ph19. I think ill pick up another bottle of m1d and run it at rec dose of 4 pills a day for the 8 weeks with the ph19.

TheHardOne said:
For just PH19 at 8 weeks, just go with erase, dpol. Save the rest for a heavier cycle.
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Yeah im just on ph19 at the moment. like i said ill probably add m1d black. I should still be good with erase and dpol?
 
You need 4 bottles for 8 weeks?

mindset101 said:
Yeah money tight right now especially buying 4 bottles of ph19. I think ill pick up another bottle of m1d and run it at rec dose of 4 pills a day for the 8 weeks with the ph19.



Yeah im just on ph19 at the moment. like i said ill probably add m1d black. I should still be good with erase and dpol?
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mindset101 said:
Yeah money tight right now especially buying 4 bottles of ph19. I think ill pick up another bottle of m1d and run it at rec dose of 4 pills a day for the 8 weeks with the ph19.



Yeah im just on ph19 at the moment. like i said ill probably add m1d black. I should still be good with erase and dpol?
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Sweet choice!

And yep!
 
Im curious is there gonna ever be an intro sale/stack for 17 Pro Andro? Since it appears to be the new PH17 but its pretty expensive at $60 per bottle while the 1 Andro is 40 + 2 free items.
 
AlexErdellan said:
Im curious is there gonna ever be an intro sale/stack for 17 Pro Andro? Since it appears to be the new PH17 but its pretty expensive at $60 per bottle while the 1 Andro is 40 + 2 free items.
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Hmmm....you want a sweet intro sale? Ill ask BigMike on what he can do bout' that! :)
 
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