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Leviathan Reloaded vs. Recreate

Leviathan Reloaded vs. Recreate -- You decide!

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MattDaddy said:
On monday I'm starting a stack of LeviathanReloaded/DCP/ReCreate/Alcar and i'm gonna run it for eight weeks. I'll take 1/2 the recommended serving of each at the recommended times (except Alcar). My aim is to have each supplement compliment the other. This will hopefully keep the stim effects balanced, provide good appetite suppression, and give me effctive weight loss, and that sense of focus and satisfaction. I did this because I really couldn't make up my mind about which to try so I figured i'd try them together and see what happens.

something like this:
430am - 1 LR / 1 ReCreate / 1 dcp / 1 alcar (500mg)
930am - 1 LR / 1R eCreate / 1 dcp / 1 alcar (500 mg)
230pm - 1 LR / 1 ReCreate / 1 dcp / 1 alcar (500 mg)
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I would seriously consider adding in 1 DCP right before bed. There is no stim effect, so it will not keep you awake, and the low carb state of sleep seems to amplify the effects dramatically.
 
dsade said:
I would seriously consider adding in 1 DCP right before bed. There is no stim effect, so it will not keep you awake, and the low carb state of sleep seems to amplify the effects dramatically.
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Would two caps before bed be even better, or just overkill?
 
dsade said:
I would seriously consider adding in 1 DCP right before bed. There is no stim effect, so it will not keep you awake, and the low carb state of sleep seems to amplify the effects dramatically.
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dsade beat me to it. i always use this layout with my Anabolic-Pump/Recreate/DCP stack...
 
lonewolf0420 said:
Would two caps before bed be even better, or just overkill?
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2 before bed makes me sweat a tad too much, but if you don't mind that the effects will be well worth it.
 
I have used LR with success. Also add Phenadrine to the list. As a thermo it is awesome. It is probably my favorite supplement to stack along with a fat burner when it comes to cutting.
 
I am at 215 now, and just started an epi cycle, and I plan to do a cut after the cycle. 2 questions:
1. Is it ok to cut while on pct
2. I am really just concerned with losing belly fat, I know you cannot pin point where to cut. I saw that some of you mentioned how much you lost, so my question is: what is/ was the overall loss in terms of size for your entire body, mainly arms, chest etc? I am not necessarily looking for numbers, just general description of how the reduction affected your overall appearance. If I could keep loss to a minimum on my other body parts, and lose most of it from my stomach, that would be nice. I hope I did not confuse anyone, and if I did, I apologize.
 
witt51 said:
i consider a good appetite suppresion that holds my hunger off but still allows me to eat. venom just made me not want to eat at all. i eat alot cleaner on recreate, i can say that for sure. everyone is different though.
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What is/was your average weight to fat loss ratio? Not necessarily hard numbers, just approximates. For instance, let say you weighed 200# with a bf of 15%, what is/your average loss. I am bulking now, but want to cut with recreate and AP, but I really don't want to lose too much weight, but want to lose as much fat as possible. I weigh 215 right now, hope to get to about 220, then I want to cut back to about 210, with a bf of about 8-10%. Is that too far fetched? Or what is more pratical in terms of weight to BF? I hope I asked a clear enough question.
 
ABNRanger said:
I am at 215 now, and just started an epi cycle, and I plan to do a cut after the cycle. 2 questions:
1. Is it ok to cut while on pct
2. I am really just concerned with losing belly fat, I know you cannot pin point where to cut. I saw that some of you mentioned how much you lost, so my question is: what is/ was the overall loss in terms of size for your entire body, mainly arms, chest etc? I am not necessarily looking for numbers, just general description of how the reduction affected your overall appearance. If I could keep loss to a minimum on my other body parts, and lose most of it from my stomach, that would be nice. I hope I did not confuse anyone, and if I did, I apologize.
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Don't cut during PCT, you should be geared to keeping your gains and getting your body back in tip top shape. Cutting, especially with a caloric deficit, would be very detrimental to the former especially.
 
Thanks a lot for the input and advice. With that being said, when would be the best time to start my cut phase? maybe cut phase is not the right term, I just really want to lose the distended stomach. I first got this after doing my first cycle; I gained weight really fast, from 180 to 205 in a month.
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ABNRanger said:
Thanks a lot for the input and advice. With that being said, when would be the best time to start my cut phase? maybe cut phase is not the right term, I just really want to lose the distended stomach. I first got this after doing my first cycle; I gained weight really fast, from 180 to 205 in a month.
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I would recommend checking out the two sections below (steroids and PCT respectively) and there should be tons of info regarding the subject. I wish I could be more helpful for ya but I'm very uneducated in this department at the moment (only 20) but can grantee you will find a lot of info below.

Oh and from the picture it appears you are not too far from your goal so don't rush into anything before you can solidify your gains.

Good luck man.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/

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You don't think I have anything to worry about with my belly looking like I am in my second trimester, lol? I will however take your advice, and read the information from the link.
 
ABNRanger said:
Thanks a lot for the input and advice. With that being said, when would be the best time to start my cut phase? maybe cut phase is not the right term, I just really want to lose the distended stomach. I first got this after doing my first cycle; I gained weight really fast, from 180 to 205 in a month.
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Looks like a VAT issue to me.

Have you looked at either Eviscerate or Lean Xtreme?
 
ABNRanger said:
:think:
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Visceral Adipose Tissue...fat deposits UNDERNEATH abdominal muscle, surrounding internal organs. Cortisol related, usually, and causes a distended stomach that is semi-firm to the touch.

Think "good old boy beer gut".
 
lol, should I be worried? Since you recommended lean extreme and eviscerate, I take it recreate is not the way to go. Crader: It is semi hard to the touch. It is kind of hard to suck my stomach in.
 
ABNRanger said:
Crader: It is semi hard to the touch. It is kind of hard to suck .
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I would appreciate it if you didn't speak to my wife like this.
 
ABNRanger said:
I apologize, but I said suck my stomach in. I am really sorry if I offended anyone.
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Yeah, but a full quote would have ruined the joke.
 
Whew, man you got me, I really thought somehow my typing got messed up by the time it hit your screen. Even though I can see the full sentence, I just thought some glich cause an error. Good one:box: But you did clear a curiosity of mine: I wondered of you and Crader were either married or dating. Oh well, back on topic, thanks for the information. After my pct, I will look into delivering this baby. lean fx?
 
ABNRanger said:
Whew, man you got me, I really thought somehow my typing got messed up by the time it hit your screen. Even though I can see the full sentence, I just thought some glich cause an error. Good one:box: But you did clear a curiosity of mine: I wondered of you and Crader were either married or dating. Oh well, back on topic, thanks for the information. After my pct, I will look into delivering this baby. lean fx?
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Who's Crader?

In my experience, Eviscerate (or Napalm as well) will cause a rapid shrinking on waist circumference. Lean Xtreme is also highly effective, though the cortisol suppression is systemic, rather than localized.

I've never used Lean FX, so I can't comment.
 
can u elaborate on the types of belly fat? (VAT?) now im wondering if my little belly fat is cortisol related. when i flex my abs i can basically feel it all but a thin sheet of fat covers it. i got V-cuts and upper abs, just little layer in the middle

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mrlargecalves said:
can u elaborate on the types of belly fat? (VAT?) now im wondering if my little belly fat is cortisol related. when i flex my abs i can basically feel it all but a thin sheet of fat covers it. i got V-cuts and upper abs, just little layer in the middle

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If the fat is OVER your abs, then that would be SAT. Some level of adrenergic control, but mostly diet and activity related.
 
Thanks for all the input dsade. That was a typo in my part, I meant to say lean extreme instead of lean fx. Lean Xtreme is also highly effective, though the cortisol suppression is systemic, rather than localized.
 How would I know which is it? And which would recommend over the other in reference to eviscerate or lean extreme? Once again thanks for all your input and advice.
 
I think Lean Extreme is more beneficial if you have quite a bit of VAT to deal with and Eviscerate is better for leaner bellies :)
 
Big difference taking 2 caps in the afternoon, as opposed to taking 1? One bottle @ 4 caps a day only last like 22 days.
 
crader said:
I think Lean Extreme is more beneficial if you have quite a bit of VAT to deal with and Eviscerate is better for leaner bellies :)
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Ok treading lightly here, lol....from your opinion, is mine in the lean range? peace offering>>>!:pizza:
 
crader said:
Uhm not sure if Recreate handles cortisol control or not?
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It does so specifically.

very precise extract of coffee bean is shown to inhibit the enzyme 11-B-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1...

Exactly how 11-oxo inhibits but through a non steroidal pathway.
 
dsade said:
Who's Crader?

In my experience, Eviscerate (or Napalm as well) will cause a rapid shrinking on waist circumference. Lean Xtreme is also highly effective, though the cortisol suppression is systemic, rather than localized.

I've never used Lean FX, so I can't comment.
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is eviscerate as effective as napalm in reducing waist circumference? never heard of eviscerate :think:
 
i took two bottles of recreate and it didnt do that much for me. I have always been a fan of making my own stack of ECA when trying to loose weight
 
dshiznit00 said:
i took two bottles of recreate and it didnt do that much for me. I have always been a fan of making my own stack of ECA when trying to loose weight
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I am no expert, nor have I ever used Recreate, but when you used them, did you use them in the same manner, and on the same plan. Basically, when you ran it first time, and did not see any progress, did you make any changes before running the second one. I am not saying you did anything wrong, just making sure you gave it a fair shot.
 
mrlargecalves said:
is eviscerate as effective as napalm in reducing waist circumference? never heard of eviscerate :think:
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Eviscerate is the same formula as Avant's Absolved, which then became Abliderate. As far as I know it is an exclusive with one retailer (you'll have to google it). It is EXTREMELY effective in a very short time reducing waist circumference and protruding belly due to VAT. The systemic cortisol controllers are also very effective, but again systemic effects will vary (most are positive, but some slight negatives can occur).

I have a lot of experience with Lean Xtreme, but none with Recreate, so I can't compare.
 
Levi is hands down best fat burner I've used..
Would like to try some Recreate sometime around March or April and see how it compares.
 
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