letro

adidas999 said:
Has any experienced any sides while using letro? This is my first time using it for estrogen blocker.
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Sides that are typical can be anything related to low to no estro. Dry joints and libido loss is typical. My rats ;) didn't have too much problem and it really killed some estro problems they were having. What are you using this for sir?
 
I will be using to block the estro during a ph cycle of super dmz n epi. Also hoping it will reduce some of the small gyno I have now from the past.
 
Libido death. I might have used a little too much on accident, though.
 
Used letro to kill gyno. It not only killed my gyno but it also killed my sex drive. Then it attacked my joints and killed my workouts...but hey I don't have gyno anymore
 
Neither of those compounds aromatase so you shouldn't need to control estrogen. Letro is quite extreme anyway there's much better options out there for estrogen control ie aromasin
 
Lukef2000 said:
Neither of those compounds aromatase so you shouldn't need to control estrogen. Letro is quite extreme anyway there's much better options out there for estrogen control ie aromasin
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I second this. Get aromasin. Letro is way harsh and could cause rebound. You should always have letro but only use it when needed.
 
Well last go around on the super dmz 2.0 it gave Me gyno that's why I wanna use it n I also have test to take during the cycle for the sex drive
 
nelson44bears said:
Epi can temporarily cure gyno by itself if followed up with proper PCT. no need for an AI on this cycle.
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Always read this was bro science. You make a pretty bold claim here. Possible to link research proving this is proven sir?
 
nelson44bears said:
Epi can temporarily cure gyno by itself if followed up with proper PCT. no need for an AI on this cycle.
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Just discussed this with a bud and he gave me this link. Invalid Link Removed

Interesting..
 
Lukef2000 said:
I like the way your answered yourself there LTL :) good read tho, that ones going on the list of studies :)
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:)

He spiked my interest because I'm debating throwing it in my log of epicness! ;)
 
Hahaha messin!! For real though, I know my ****. I couldn't begin to tell you how many hours I've put in to hormone/PH/AAS research online. Thousands of wiki pages reading every last damn detail...I'm a bit of a roid nerd (if those two words really belong together)
 
That is a very touchy claim saying epi will cure gyno. I think it's bull**** but can't find a study proving my claim. But do you really think a PH will cure gyno caused by another PH? C'mon guys. Google it and see people's experience with it. It has worked for a select few but most say it doesn't do **** or makes it worse. Personally epi have my gyno so I might be kinda biased...
 
Cure was clearly the wrong word to use here..but I also said temporarily. I have personally experienced my gyno almost completely subside while on epi. It's not broscience it's my own personal experience.
 
I am not saying that epi is "the gyno cure". To use it as one would be very I'll-advised. It was just a plus for me when I used it. If you have true gyno there is no cure. But epi is great at combating puffy nips.
 
My god it is pretty standard information. Epi suppresses estrogen. It pretty much takes care of any estro sides on cycle. So no AI is needed. So if I'm wrong and don't know anything, how about you actually try to correct me and contribute to the forum rather than just quoting me and saying I'm wrong. And provide some reasoning behind it??
 
nelson44bears said:
Cure was clearly the wrong word to use here..but I also said temporarily. I have personally experienced my gyno almost completely subside while on epi. It's not broscience it's my own personal experience.
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That would be anecdotal evidence Mr PhD, not worth much in the scientific community.
Hdrol shrunk the gyno I had (before I demolished it with letro/nolva) but I don't go around staying hdrol will get rid of gyno, temporarily or w/e, cause that would be ridiculousness, and what is called, "bro science".

Methepiostanol is a non aromatizable dht derrived methylated steroid, and any time you use exogenous androgens, you run the risk of side effects such as gyno, etc.

Some androgens pose a greater risk than others.
 
nelson44bears said:
My god it is pretty standard information. Epi suppresses estrogen. It pretty much takes care of any estro sides on cycle. So no AI is needed. So if I'm wrong and don't know anything, how about you actually try to correct me and contribute to the forum rather than just quoting me and saying I'm wrong. And provide some reasoning behind it??
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No it doesn't. This is old bro science from when the compound was released.
Anyone with steroid knowledge knows epi reduces estrogen as much as any other dht derived steroid.

Non aromatizing has little to do with someone getting gyno.
Superdrol and phera plex are two great examples of non aromatizable, dry dht derived steroids that severely disrupt the hpta axis.

And I do contribute to this forum. I would not still be here if I didn't, would of been banned a long time ago.

Guy with 58 post comes on here and tells the guy with 10k post to contribute.
 
nelson44bears said:
I am not saying that epi is "the gyno cure" any more. To use it as one would be very I'll-advised, (after recommending it) It was just a plus for me when I used it. If you have true gyno there is no cure. Except cutting it out. But epi is great at combating my puffy nips, For me, for other people, who are different than I (crazy huh) epi causes gyno, and even makes it worse!
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Fixed.
 
Interesting. I was not aware that epi was debunked!! Well you seem to know more than me, I am willing to admit I'm wrong and I love to learn more so thank you. Also I apologize for spreading wrong info. I believed it to be true! Thank you for your insight.
 
As much as I love to teach the newbs, I'm on my phone out of the country, so that is the reason for my short answer. (and the fact that it gets old after a few years)
 
jbryand101b said:
As much as I love to teach the newbs, I'm on my phone out of the country, so that is the reason for my short answer. (and the fact that it gets old after a few years)
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I was wrong on this one. Ill admit I havent done as much research lately as I did 3+ years ago so I may be a little behind. But I assure you that I'm not a noob. I was wrong and admitted it. I understand your impateince but there is no reason to be hostile.
 
nelson44bears said:
I was wrong on this one. Ill admit I havent done as much research lately as I did 3+ years ago so I may be a little behind. But I assure you that I'm not a noob. I was wrong and admitted it. I understand your impateince but there is no reason to be hostile.
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He isn't hostile at all, he is just being a smart ass, it makes me laugh, jbry knows his stuff and he might just say wrong or whatever but he always gives good explanations and info.
 
SPS said:
He isn't hostile at all, he is just being a smart ass, it makes me laugh, jbry knows his stuff and he might just say wrong or whatever but he always gives good explanations and info.
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Yeah, I can see from all his posts that I've seen he is pretty informative and pretty funny lol
 
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