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Forgot to mention I also started getting a little nipple sensitivity. I don’t use an ai on cruise dose but do normally need one at 350mg a week test - I keep the dose as low as possible though (12.5mg asin a week normally enough). Took 12.5mg asin yesterday and sensitivity appears to have gone today.

deliberately didn’t take caber as well to see if it was estro or prolactin but appears it was estro (shame really as caber makes me feel like a porn star)
 

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Forgot to mention I also started getting a little nipple sensitivity. I don’t use an ai on cruise dose but do normally need one at 350mg a week test - I keep the dose as low as possible though (12.5mg asin a week normally enough). Took 12.5mg asin yesterday and sensitivity appears to have gone today.

deliberately didn’t take caber as well to see if it was estro or prolactin but appears it was estro (shame really as caber makes me feel like a porn star)
Its all good man, the less supports you need to take the better.

I aint taking caber anymore. I know the drug is no joke and several members over here told me to stay away from it.

Also will try to avoid ai from now. The trick (in my mind at least) is to use up to 250mg test max with non aromatizing compounds and including some masteron.

In theory ttm doesnt require one to take ai if taken at a regular dosage (1ml 3x a week or eod) which then comes out as 150mg test, 150mg tren and 150mg mast (if dosed correctly).

And that is the issue i believe a lot of labs go heavier on the test side as the other 2 are pretty expensive and therefore people get sides.
 

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Congratulations, your crotch will smell way better way more often, and your pecker will look bigger and better as well. It doesn’t need to stay hair-free, just scaped and controlled. They prefer this over getting pubes in their mouth, I’ve found.

Training sounds like it’s been fun!
What kind of nasty animal wouldn’t shave or at least trim his dick and balls? Pretty bold to think someone wanna suck that nasty ass dick imo...
 

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Its all good man, the less supports you need to take the better.

I aint taking caber anymore. I know the drug is no joke and several members over here told me to stay away from it.

Also will try to avoid ai from now. The trick (in my mind at least) is to use up to 250mg test max with non aromatizing compounds and including some masteron.

In theory ttm doesnt require one to take ai if taken at a regular dosage (1ml 3x a week or eod) which then comes out as 150mg test, 150mg tren and 150mg mast (if dosed correctly).

And that is the issue i believe a lot of labs go heavier on the test side as the other 2 are pretty expensive and therefore people get sides.
one of the slight issues is that I don’t know exactly how this 250 blend is blended - doesn’t say on the bottle (and it came from someone else, the lab is shut down etc). Literally no idea what amount of each I’m sticking in my ass but thus far it seems as though something is doing something 😂

early on a few people on AM told me to only use an ai if needed so that’s what I’ve always done. Works well for me, nips get sore little bit of asin, still sore when on deca then a little caber does the job - all gravy
 

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That is exactly how AIs and DAs should be used, to treat the symptoms and not prophylactically.

one of the slight issues is that I don’t know exactly how this 250 blend is blended - doesn’t say on the bottle (and it came from someone else, the lab is shut down etc).
Bahahahah that is very comforting to hear when it comes to the substance you inject into your own body that eventually ends up inside your brain!
 

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one of the slight issues is that I don’t know exactly how this 250 blend is blended - doesn’t say on the bottle (and it came from someone else, the lab is shut down etc). Literally no idea what amount of each I’m sticking in my ass but thus far it seems as though something is doing something 😂

early on a few people on AM told me to only use an ai if needed so that’s what I’ve always done. Works well for me, nips get sore little bit of asin, still sore when on deca then a little caber does the job - all gravy
That’s why blend sucks. Either you don’t know how the dosage of test is too high compared to tren. Best way is to buy separate.
 

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That is exactly how AIs and DAs should be used, to treat the symptoms and not prophylactically.
I disagree. My estrogen on 600mg test gets to 100-125 which is 2.5 times the normal range. I have no gyno symptoms , no mood swings, no pimples, no greasy skin, no problem sleeping. No sides at all. Does that mean I shouldn’t take an AI because I have no symptoms? I should absolutely take a little dose of AI because that high of an estrogen is way worse for me than 12.5 of aromasin is. I understand your point that AI are sometimes Overused but let’s not put it down as simple as "let’s take an ai only when u have symptoms" at least that’s my POV.
 

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I disagree. My estrogen on 600mg test gets to 100-125 which is 2.5 times the normal range. I have no gyno symptoms , no mood swings, no pimples, no greasy skin, no problem sleeping. No sides at all. Does that mean I shouldn’t take an AI because I have no symptoms? I should absolutely take a little dose of AI because that high of an estrogen is way worse for me than 12.5 of aromasin is. I understand your point that AI are sometimes Overused but let’s not put it down as simple as "let’s take an ai only when u have symptoms" at least that’s my POV.
Ha! We always disagree on the topic of an ai. I personally stay away from it because i abused it too much in the past which cost me gains.

But i wont use such high test doses anymore where i need substantial amount of ai. I will rather mix in a dry compound. Not because it is better for the lipids instewd of taking more ai (it isnt lol), but because i feel it is dumb to take an anabolic only to need a drug which will decrease the potency of that anabolic.
 

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That’s why blend sucks. Either you don’t know how the dosage of test is too high compared to tren. Best way is to buy separate.
yeah totally agree but it was free and I’m a sucker for free drugs 😂😂
 

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@Whisky so how was your tren Injections so far bro?
they’ve been ok to be homest. That first one was a bit of a bitch but since then smooth and I’ve even served scar tissue on them (have been using a massage gun on my glutes to try and help alleviate it). No cough yet, little more pip than I’ve had off cyp or deca (similar to winny) but it’s not bad really.

no cough yet. I’ve heard some people just don’t get that but could just be lucky. Sometimes I think if you do it’s nice as you know for sure your gears legit 😂
 

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Hahaha now I get it!! Cant refuse free drugs I agree
Glad my "freebies" are helping. @Whisky did you get the "Tren attitude" and strength benefits? To be honest I never got to run PCT Lab -greek UGL -mix myself (family intervention). They were sold through Advancedphar-dot-ma, which is a stable long term supplier from UK of Advancedpharma-dot-de gear (Germany) which is also a long term high quality EU brand, low key but great stuff. I got it because adavamcedpharma Tren was out of stock at the time.

I think unfortunately they got nabbed in the Italy /Greek roid busts of 2019.
 

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Glad my "freebies" are helping. @Whisky did you get the "Tren attitude" and strength benefits? To be honest I never got to run PCT Lab -greek UGL -mix myself (family intervention). They were sold through Advancedphar-dot-ma, which is a stable long term supplier from UK of Advancedpharma-dot-de gear (Germany) which is also a long term high quality EU brand, low key but great stuff. I got it because adavamcedpharma Tren was out of stock at the time.

I think unfortunately they got nabbed in the Italy /Greek roid busts of 2019.
yeah for sure the tren attitude (I’m like it being in generally) seems to be theres. Feel like every bird would want to **** me and that I could beat down any bloke who gets in my way 😀

the sleep is a pain in the ass but I’ll live with it for the gains
 

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yeah for sure the tren attitude (I’m like it being in generally) seems to be theres. Feel like every bird would want to **** me and that I could beat down any bloke who gets in my way 😀

the sleep is a pain in the ass but I’ll live with it for the gains
Yep that's the orange sauce :) I think I remember the lovely orange glow the Tren mix had. Make sure you take some THC or a hungry-andro, for the appetite. Tren A wouldn't let me eat enough if I remember.

EDIT - just read up on your nipple sensitivity. I swear, have to check my old logs here TBH.. but I was no gyno on anything I ran, until after I had some issues.. until after I was overcycling and ran Tren Ace toward the end of my first 3 years of dark side lifting, prior to dropping off the board for a bit for medical/family reasons.

Also - like @SouthPawSD had been clear of anything for awhile ~2 years and my quarter-ish gyno lumps under the nips slowly receded. What's hella weird.. is that since hitting the gym in the past 2 months (getting past new dad part-2) and using these dry-andro from Hi-Tech and Hexadrone earlier from PRE, my gyno lumps are softening / going away! Finally. So another reason I mailed off the Tren A. It was great until that, lol. And my aggro got a little out of control.
 
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Dang bro following your cycle has me feeling like Im going to pull the trigger even though I didn't think I'd hop back on... Haven't ran anything in almost a year lol
haha, yeah bro. The feeling of being on is great. I’m loving the weights going up despite the weight coming down. Not expecting to hit massive numbers this run but if I get close to my bests at what will be 20lbs lower bw I’ll be happy
 

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Yep that's the orange sauce :) I think I remember the lovely orange glow the Tren mix had. Make sure you take some THC or a hungry-andro, for the appetite. Tren A wouldn't let me eat enough if I remember.

EDIT - just read up on your nipple sensitivity. I swear, have to check my old logs here TBH.. but I was no gyno on anything I ran, until after I had some issues.. until after I was overcycling and ran Tren Ace toward the end of my first 3 years of dark side lifting, prior to dropping off the board for a bit for medical/family reasons.

Also - like @SouthPawSD had been clear of anything for awhile ~2 years and my quarter-ish gyno lumps under the nips slowly receded. What's hella weird.. is that since hitting the gym in the past 2 months (getting past new dad part-2) and using these dry-andro from Hi-Tech and Hexadrone earlier from PRE, my gyno lumps are softening / going away! Finally. So another reason I mailed off the Tren A. It was great until that, lol. And my aggro got a little out of control.
I need a little bit of ai on test but not a lot. I might get some bloods drawn just to check on prolactin as I normally need a touch of caber on 19nors but the asin has sorted the nips out I think
 

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Another day, another great workout. **** me I love the gear.

ran 5k this morning. I felt ok but it’s noticeable my pace is dropping off a touch. Normally on a cut I get quicker but not a surprise with the tren. That said gw seems to be off setting the worst of it as I’m not suffering too much.

weight is down to a shade below 221, think that puts me 4lbs off which given the mk increase I always get plus the normal water from test I’m really happy with. Pictures are the main thing and that’s looking good. Clen and tesamorelin appears to be a good combo..... next weeks pic will hopefully show some progress

Strength Continues to climb, added 5lbs to my incline bench 5x6 rep. 5x8 neutral grip pull ups (Again long arms make these a **** exercise for me)

all sorts of rows and presses, bit of arms to finish. was a fun session
 
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glad to see you sticking it out with the running...running lets me eat my favorite foods[in moderation]and still stay lean.
 

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glad to see you sticking it out with the running...running lets me eat my favorite foods[in moderation]and still stay lean.
yeah it’s one of those where I know the dog needs to get out anyway so it ticks that box plus I’ve done it for years and my calorie requirements are all based on that so I don’t really want to lose the ability to eat like I do. Even on a cut I probably won’t go below 2,750
 
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Another day, another great workout. **** me I love the gear.

ran 5k this morning. I felt ok but it’s noticeable my pace is dropping off a touch. Normally on a cut I get quicker but not a surprise with the tren. That said gw seems to be off setting the worst of it as I’m not suffering too much.

weight is down to a shade below 221, think that puts me 4lbs off which given the mk increase I always get plus the normal water from test I’m really happy with. Pictures are the main thing and that’s looking good. Clen and tesamorelin appears to be a good combo..... next weeks pic will hopefully show some progress

Strength Continues to climb, added 5lbs to my incline bench 5x6 rep. 5x8 neutral grip pull ups (Again long arms make these a **** exercise for me)

all sorts of rows and presses, bit of arms to finish. was a fun session
Never monitored my Thyroid levels, but Alex Kikel said with Tren you see an upregulation for about 4-6 weeks then a crash, so I would have some T3 ready for a 25mcg maintenance dose if you are going longer than 6 weeks on the ripper blend and intend to keep the diet rolling without setback.
 

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Never monitored my Thyroid levels, but Alex Kikel said with Tren you see an upregulation for about 4-6 weeks then a crash, so I would have some T3 ready for a 25mcg maintenance dose if you are going longer than 6 weeks on the ripper blend and intend to keep the diet rolling without setback.
we have plenty of T3 ready to roll brother 😎

to be honest I wasn’t aware of that but had t3 anyway with the intention of using it last 2-4 weeks just to really bring it in. More luck than judgement but yep that’s the plan.....he also says to keep t3 dosing pretty low doesn’t he?
 
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we have plenty of T3 ready to roll brother 😎

to be honest I wasn’t aware of that but had t3 anyway with the intention of using it last 2-4 weeks just to really bring it in. More luck than judgement but yep that’s the plan.....he also says to keep t3 dosing pretty low doesn’t he?
whisky always comes prepared...every guy should research as much as you and some of the others here do....i hope the noobs are following this log!!!
 
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we have plenty of T3 ready to roll brother

to be honest I wasn’t aware of that but had t3 anyway with the intention of using it last 2-4 weeks just to really bring it in. More luck than judgement but yep that’s the plan.....he also says to keep t3 dosing pretty low doesn’t he?
His discussions with Mike Arnold they both said most guys just can’t fill out on higher doses; anything above that 20-30 range tends to flatten you out, making you much weaker and stringy looking. But they both like it deeper in a cut at said replacement dose because otherwise the thyroid naturally down-regulates to keep you from otherwise dying from starvation in a real world scenario.

Women on the other hand don’t seem to have wastage issues with higher doses (40-100) allegedly.
 

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His discussions with Mike Arnold they both said most guys just can’t fill out on higher doses; anything above that 20-30 range tends to flatten you out, making you much weaker and stringy looking. But they both like it deeper in a cut at said replacement dose because otherwise the thyroid naturally down-regulates to keep you from otherwise dying from starvation in a real world scenario.

Women on the other hand don’t seem to have wastage issues with higher doses (40-100) allegedly.
yeah I recall what he said about women, was interesting that.

I’ll see where I’m at on dosage. Seem to recall running it at 50 last time with solid results.
 

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whisky always comes prepared...every guy should research as much as you and some of the others here do....i hope the noobs are following this log!!!
haha, cheers brother. My office is like a pharmacy...... I’ve got all sorts just in case. With stuff like this though I always think if your gonna do it you do it properly......
 

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yeah for sure the tren attitude (I’m like it being in generally) seems to be theres. Feel like every bird would want to **** me and that I could beat down any bloke who gets in my way 😀

the sleep is a pain in the ass but I’ll live with it for the gains
So you are like me. We love to chase that high the androgens give. Sense of well-being.

In this regard, we are no different than junkies 😁
 

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Training today started with sumo pulls. 5x5 at 363. Moved well tbh, strength increases continue to be obvious despite the calorie deficit. Quite excited to see if there has been any carry over to my conventional when I switch back.

followed that up with loads of posterior chain stuff (rdls and good mornings). Zombie squats and Peterson’s for quads and pull through cause who doesn’t want a nice ass.

noticed my back seems to be really coming through well (less loose skin there helps) so will add a back shot on Friday for the picture update.

the sleep is the only side I’m getting and it’s incredibly consistent (as is every night is ****). I get the bare minimum I need and then wake up and can’t get back to sleep. Manageable for the 8 weeks though for sure
 

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Training today started with sumo pulls. 5x5 at 363. Moved well tbh, strength increases continue to be obvious despite the calorie deficit. Quite excited to see if there has been any carry over to my conventional when I switch back.

followed that up with loads of posterior chain stuff (rdls and good mornings). Zombie squats and Peterson’s for quads and pull through cause who doesn’t want a nice ass.

noticed my back seems to be really coming through well (less loose skin there helps) so will add a back shot on Friday for the picture update.

the sleep is the only side I’m getting and it’s incredibly consistent (as is every night is ****). I get the bare minimum I need and then wake up and can’t get back to sleep. Manageable for the 8 weeks though for sure
Might I suggest flexiril or gabapentin for the sleep? Those work like money and will relax the muscles. Not addictive like benzos, etc.
 

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The impact of aas on HRV and ‘readiness’

I’ve mentioned this above but with nearly a couple of weeks of data I screen shot my hrv and readiness on a weekly basis.

you can see it’s pretty consistent (hrv dipped when I found out about my wife’s affair) until I started this cycle and then both go down quicker than a five dollar whore....
 

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super late sub but this is a fun log for sure... makes me miss IM goodies so much haha
 

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The impact of aas on HRV and ‘readiness’

I’ve mentioned this above but with nearly a couple of weeks of data I screen shot my hrv and readiness on a weekly basis.

you can see it’s pretty consistent (hrv dipped when I found out about my wife’s affair) until I started this cycle and then both go down quicker than a five dollar whore....
What do you use to track your HRV?
 
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Why can’t you do IM?
Yep, weird. People usually ditch orals because of toxicity, not injectables.
Travel every week (sometimes multiple flights)... cant be carrying pins and vials through TSA all the time ha

Plus the wife and I are just a couple weeks away from our first kid and are prob gonna try once more soon after... once that's done you can bet I'll be looking to get back on the train, most likely more in a trt form, but back to something not so brutal on my insides.
 
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I'm sorry but can you let me know what HRV is
heart rate variability bro. It’s basically the variation in timing between heart beats (more variation is a good thing). It decreases when you are stressed or over training (studies have shown a decline in hrv can predict injury).

a higher hrv is a sign of good health and wellness. There isn’t a set figure that any individual should achieve as it varies depending on age, hormones etc but generally speaking above 50 is where you’d like your average to be (it changes all the time during the day and night although night tends to be more consistent hence why night time readings are used for readiness scores).
 

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I'm sorry but can you let me know what HRV is
heart rate variability bro. It’s basically the variation in timing between heart beats (more variation is a good thing). It decreases when you are stressed or over training (studies have shown a decline in hrv can predict injury).

a higher hrv is a sign of good health and wellness. There isn’t a set figure that any individual should achieve as it varies depending on age, hormones etc but generally speaking above 50 is where you’d like your average to be (it changes all the time during the day and night although night tends to be more consistent hence why night time readings are used for readiness scores).
 

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So yesterday was a rest day. Still went for a run and steps above 20k. Literally ran out of eating time so calories dropped below 3k (I’m not as bothered about coming in low whilst on tren as I know it can hold muscle even in a severe deficit).

really enjoying being back on clen, had some people over and served them coffee having to use two hands and even then you know they are thinking you might have early onset of Parkinson’s.

today was chest and back. Fucking killing training at the moment. Progressing reps or weight every session, that’s slowed a little but weight loss has been a little quicker than I’d like. 2 weeks in and 7lbs down is more than I’d like (especially as I know the mk plus gear will be adding 2-4 lbs water). Still I feel good training, feel strong, hitting plenty of volume, plenty of variety and rep ranges to try and sustain or add some lean mass.

diet is more dialled in than ever. Excited to see what the next 6 weeks will do. Will add some 2 week pics later
 

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Few interesting things on the update today......

main one is a potential infection from a jab. It was the Wednesday pin and at first I thought it was just a bit of pip but since thursday it’s been a hard lump where I pinned and a red circle on my ass around the size of a fist. It’s warm but not crazy hot and i can feel it’s sore but it’s not crazy sore. I’m keeping a really close eye on it as it came up on Thursday but hasn’t worsened since (I tend not to over react, I’m a bit of a wait and see guy) so I’m hoping it doesn’t need antibiotics but if it’s not clearing up in a day or it gets worse I’m straight down the docs for sure. It’s the same gear and I followed the same process I have for years so maybe just unlucky if it is an infection.

I knew I was gonna be slamming the salami today so dropped a bluey an hour before (got sent them free by my ugl as they missed some var from my last order), used cialis a load before but never viagra. I definitely prefer cialis. I mean the viagra had me rock hard to the extent I though my cock was actually going to explode but cialis has almost the same effect without any sides. The bluey has hit the sinuses hard which is a bit ****. Still, sex was 👌

training was good again. Progressed weight on squats up to a comfortable top set of 3 at 330.

Plenty of volume on accessories, focused on quads. Legs feel smoked now.

struggling to get the calories in a bit. I can see why people struggle to bulk on tren especially if you keep it clean.

everything still on track though, gonna smash out a little ozone therapy and photobiomodulation tonight
 

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ok so update for today.

the potential infection hasn’t changed much - definitely hasn’t got worse and may be a little better. There’s a big hard lump about the size of a tennis ball in my glute but the tenderness has probably eased a bit so I’ll keep a watching brief.

but I feel absolutely fine in myself (if I didn’t I’d have been the accident and emergency already) so I’m really not sure. It’s defo from the injection but if not an infection I can only assume I’ve really inflamed something.

I did have to switch to delts, not a fan of putting more than 0.5ml in my delts but I’m going no where near my left glute while this issue is going on and my right can’t take eod shots alone so switched upstairs. Actually went smooth as hell and felt fine. Less pip than the glutes have been.....

Anyway, diet and training stay on point. Weight dropping little by little (this far this is the best cut I’ve run for sheer consistency of progress).

trained shoulders abs and arms today. Good pump, again progressing strength a little.

I do now have an unplanned week away coming up in July. Leaving after 5 weeks on the cut so I’ll probably take some bands and focus on cardio and bw stuff. Use it as a deload and hit the last few weeks hard when I get back.
 

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ok so update for today.

the potential infection hasn’t changed much - definitely hasn’t got worse and may be a little better. There’s a big hard lump about the size of a tennis ball in my glute but the tenderness has probably eased a bit so I’ll keep a watching brief.

but I feel absolutely fine in myself (if I didn’t I’d have been the accident and emergency already) so I’m really not sure. It’s defo from the injection but if not an infection I can only assume I’ve really inflamed something.

I did have to switch to delts, not a fan of putting more than 0.5ml in my delts but I’m going no where near my left glute while this issue is going on and my right can’t take eod shots alone so switched upstairs. Actually went smooth as hell and felt fine. Less pip than the glutes have been.....

Anyway, diet and training stay on point. Weight dropping little by little (this far this is the best cut I’ve run for sheer consistency of progress).

trained shoulders abs and arms today. Good pump, again progressing strength a little.

I do now have an unplanned week away coming up in July. Leaving after 5 weeks on the cut so I’ll probably take some bands and focus on cardio and bw stuff. Use it as a deload and hit the last few weeks hard when I get back.

I feel like I got that a few time when injecting. You think it is an infection, but it is just red, swollen and hurts like hell. I notice for me it mostly just happens when I moved the needle around too much or tried to go to fast. Idk if that applies to you for what you did? either way glad that it doesn't appear to be infected! That would blow to have your ass lanced to get it out lol
 

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