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Legal prohormones in 2017?

Not a SERM to be seen on the list.

$20 says in 6 weeks op will be back asking questions about why he feels like shyt
 
Quick question OP, I don't see anything about PCT.

You will experience some degree of shutdown on some of these compounds you listed.

You are aware of this, correct?

Don't hit the gas without checking the breaks.
 
SFreed said:
Not a SERM to be seen on the list.

$20 says in 6 weeks op will be back asking questions about why he feels like shyt
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Serm is like a estrogen blocker? I can just take any supplement that blocks estrogen I guess when on a cycle.
Sdog77 said:
Quick question OP, I don't see anything about PCT.

You will experience some degree of shutdown on some of these compounds you listed.

You are aware of this, correct?

Don't hit the gas without checking the breaks.
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I will just use some kind of test booster and estrogen blocker after?
 
No, ideally youd use a pharma SERM. And, if warranted, a pharma AI.

However you choose to slice this, youre gonna be utilising something illegal. You WONT achieve your goals otherwise. Ill keep repeating this.
 
Unless you are on TRT, I highly suggest you google "what is a SERM for PCT".

Start there and use your best judgement from that point.

Suggestions don't mean squat until you have a sound understanding of what you are about to put your body through.
 
There is research chemicals you can buy that are legal. I used liquid tamoxifen for PCT and as far as I know it worked I got back to normal quickly anyway tho no bloods to prove it.
 
Nac said:
No, ideally youd use a pharma SERM. And, if warranted, a pharma AI.

However you choose to slice this, youre gonna be utilising something illegal. You WONT achieve your goals otherwise. Ill keep repeating this.
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Or, you know, he could just take a bunch of stuff and hope for the best, right? I mean, what's the worse thing that could happen?
 
SFreed said:
Or, you know, he could just take a bunch of stuff and hope for the best, right? I mean, what's the worse thing that could happen?
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Takes PH suddenly stops. The body isn't producing test. Gets extremely depressed kills self.
 
farshad said:
So which ones from the list should I take together?
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In your case none, absolutely none. You have no clue what you are doing. You thought you were going to take an OTC estrogen blocker in place of a proper PCT. Your aptitude for understanding what everyone is trying to tell you makes my brain hurt. Fck it, just take em all together. Then go cry and blame the pills for why you are wrecked. You, and people like you, are the reason good shyt gets taken away. Everyone is trying to help and you ignore them all.
 
ryane87 said:
In your case none, absolutely none. You have no clue what you are doing. You thought you were going to take an OTC estrogen blocker in place of a proper PCT. Your aptitude for understanding what everyone is trying to tell you makes my brain hurt. Fck it, just take em all together. Then go cry and blame the pills for why you are wrecked. You, and people like you, are the reason good shyt gets taken away. Everyone is trying to help and you ignore them all.
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wtf you talking about? Im asking and trying to learn. if anything you sound like the one crying . This is my first time with this stuff, you act like im supposed to know everything you know and If I dont know it im stupid. Tired of people like you bitching all the time I dont need more of it in my life.
 
farshad said:
you guys are wasting my time. if you're not gonna tell me the best ones don't bother replying at all to this thread. I dont need to be told what to do with my life and you should mind your own buisness.
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Wow. Rude ! But while on subject - hit yourself with superdrol
 
farshad said:
wtf you talking about? Im asking and trying to learn. if anything you sound like the one crying . This is my first time with this stuff, you act like im supposed to know everything you know and If I dont know it im stupid. Tired of people like you bitching all the time I dont need more of it in my life.
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Listen you silly tit , you are not trying to learn , you want people to spoon fed you . You want to lern then Google $hit and put some work in , then when you got at least a general idea what's what , start a thread and ask questions . I'm really surprised that some guys still trying to help you.
 
malin said:
Listen you silly tit , you are not trying to learn , you want people to spoon fed you . You want to lern then Google $hit and put some work in , then when you got at least a general idea what's what , start a thread and ask questions . I'm really surprised that some guys still trying to help you.
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Nobody has helped me with anything I already knew all this. Wish someone would tell me what the best pro hormones/Sarms are instead of giving up to group pressure. Whats the point of this forum if you cant even ask questions? .
 
malin said:
Listen you silly tit , you are not trying to learn , you want people to spoon fed you . You want to lern then Google $hit and put some work in , then when you got at least a general idea what's what , start a thread and ask questions . I'm really surprised that some guys still trying to help you.
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Give the guy a break at least he's asking and trying to find out info. People are overreacting here there's headers at my gym pop PHs and inject tren without any cycle support or PCT, they literally don't care. Time on-time off means nothing to them either. They're the type of people that get stuff banned, none of them would even think of doing any sort of research. OP clearly has at least a few brain cells to join a forum and ask for info. Couple of weeks ago a guy at tried to sell me a "test booster" in his words, the ingredients label said 10mg methyldrostanolone. Selling ****ing superdrol as a test booster. Shady twats doing this sort are why things get banned.
 
Since you know a lot of information and I'm no pro, you should have found one of those "kits" that included pct. For example LG sciences. It may not be the best product but it's already laid out for you on how to take it.
 
F it, I'll spoon feed him. FIRST THING, go on google and search for research Chem tamoxifen or clomiphine and buy one of them for PCT. second it's your first cycle, don't stack anything and I'd go with the epistane (2a3a) run it at 30mg first couple of weeks, if you feel good bump it up to 40mg for a total of 6-8weeks, that will give decent gains for a beginner, well anyone really but all of the compounds you put up will kick your HPTA function out of whack. Do more research but definitely get a SERM for PCT or most likely you will lose any or all of the gains you got. , feel like crap and maybe even get gyno (man boobs)!!
 
And read any log you can find on epistane, take note of what sides people experienced and what cycle support supps they take. Read and research anything and everything you can so you're prepared fully and don't start the cycle till you have everything you need for cycle support and PCT in your hand. There's tons of people quit mid cycle just cos they weren't prepared properly for the negative effects.
 
Do some more research before you take any steroids, for your own sake. And yes, 5 out of the 9 entries in your list contain already-active steroids.
 
ryane87 said:
In your case none, absolutely none. You have no clue what you are doing. You thought you were going to take an OTC estrogen blocker in place of a proper PCT. Your aptitude for understanding what everyone is trying to tell you makes my brain hurt. Fck it, just take em all together. Then go cry and blame the pills for why you are wrecked. You, and people like you, are the reason good shyt gets taken away. Everyone is trying to help and you ignore them all.
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You just made me laugh and cry this morning.
For the love of any mental stability that may exist within you- DO YOUR FKN HOMEWORK!- like Everyone has been telling you!
Eclamation points aren't anger dingleberry, they're emphasizing what you need to do.
You ask what the best of ph/sarm is, but to answer your questions we have to ask some questions.
It would be like asking a car salesman what's the best car- how much money? What's your priorities? Got kids? Where you drive? Etc.
Starting to make sense?
Go do homework dingus.

Ps - you ARE the reason **** gets banned. Bc you'll be at your doctor's office in a year getting on trt. Mark my fkn words.
 
Juicedeez utz said:
F it, I'll spoon feed him. FIRST THING, go on google and search for research Chem tamoxifen or clomiphine and buy one of them for PCT. second it's your first cycle, don't stack anything and I'd go with the epistane (2a3a) run it at 30mg first couple of weeks, if you feel good bump it up to 40mg for a total of 6-8weeks, that will give decent gains for a beginner, well anyone really but all of the compounds you put up will kick your HPTA function out of whack. Do more research but definitely get a SERM for PCT or most likely you will lose any or all of the gains you got. , feel like crap and maybe even get gyno (man boobs)!!
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thanks , how much muscle can I expect to see?
 
Depends on your diet, let's say you eat in a 500 calorie surplus, maybe 12-14lbs of weight increase that could be kept with a decent PCT, diet and training regime
 
Juicedeez utz said:
No, SERM. No SERM, no cycle
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And this is why I didn't spoon feed him. Multiple people told him to use a SERM and here he is, not taking in any of the info brought to him (other than how much muscle he thinks he's going to gain), asking if his OTC estrogen blocker will suffice. The only information he is bothering to retain is which one to take. Quite frankly, I don't care what he does, but I can't put energy into someone like him who is going to do what he wants in the end.
 
ryane87 said:
And this is why I didn't spoon feed him. Multiple people told him to use a SERM and here he is, not taking in any of the info brought to him (other than how much muscle he thinks he's going to gain), asking if his OTC estrogen blocker will suffice. The only information he is bothering to retain is which one to take. Quite frankly, I don't care what he does, but I can't put energy into someone like him who is going to do what he wants in the end.
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Yeah I've given up now haha
 
farshad said:
27 year old, been working out for 4 years.
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Finally. (Note: Haven't read the whole thread). Unlike other places I imagine (I don't go anywhere else, myself) - people on here generally care about each others health. So if you are doing something stupid, they will tell you - take the criticism, your nuts may thank you later on in life when your wife wants kids, etc...

27 - good, you are old enough (barely) where you probably won't short circuit a still developing HPTA (age 26 according to Dr. Rand McClean).

1-Andro and 4-AD. 8 weeks at ~330mg of oral caps (or as close as you can get with whatever your product is dosed at). Safe'ish and proven in a study at West Texas A&M University (minus the 4-AD, but you'll want that).

PCT should be with an Rx or proven RC SERM like Clomid or Nolvadex (most common), with Clomid being better known for restarting the HPTA.
 
These lads have went out of their way to give you some good info they know their **** now take it all in don't go and just do whatever you want. I don't think you realise what you're getting into, numbers 1,4,6,7,8&9 on your list aren't prohormones they're oral steroids. They have the potential to mess you up if not used correctly.
 
See you guys doing it wrong , op just want you to write him a cycle , hook him up with pct and thats all .
He doesn't need all that other useless info you are trying to provide him with .
That kind of approach is a reason we can't have nice things.
 
See you guys doing it wrong , op just want you to write him a cycle , hook him up with pct and thats all .
He doesn't need all that other useless info you are trying to provide him with .
That kind of approach is a reason we can't have nice things.
 
farshad said:
Aren't the Hodgetwins that size Naturally? don't see why I can't do it on Steroids.

Anyway I ordered these each line is their own :

1. 2a 3a-epithio-17a-methyletioallocholanol
2. 1-Andro + 4-Andro + Epi-Andro (tri andro)
3. 10mg Ostarine 4mg LGD
4. Alphaform Labs Trenavol
5. Some GH that contains MK-677
6. EPI 2A 3A by Vital Labs
7. Ripfast Amped
8. Orb Pharmaceuticals Triple X
9. Methylstenbolone

these are the key ingredients in what I bought. some of the names in the list are just Names of the supplement so you can google them to see their ingredients.
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#9 ain't no joke that ****s crazy yo. He takes that alone he's gunna **** himself up lmfao
 
APC80 said:
These lads have went out of their way to give you some good info they know their **** now take it all in don't go and just do whatever you want. I don't think you realise what you're getting into, numbers 1,4,6,7,8&9 on your list aren't prohormones they're oral steroids. They have the potential to mess you up if not used correctly.
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Technically, #4 is dienedione, a prohormone to dienolone. But man, you weren't supposed to tell him.
 
Dude you take msten alone you're gun a piss out your liver and kidneys seriously dude you need some test with that. And msten isn't legal. You want to do it right run just test for your first cycle. Run test c at 500mg and use clomid for a picture just keep it simple you don't know how this stuff effects you. You could be allergic to it. Then you can bump it up to test c with dbol kick and after dbol run msten. But seriously dude take people's warning here. Msten is going to kill you if you take it alone. My buddy is on the transplant list for a new liver and he had liver support. If you do take all this **** I really hope it ****s you up.
 
Legit concerned for this guys health...
For the original poster.

Start with 1 compound. A first cycle should almost never be more than that. You need time to understand how yout body responds to each hormone by itself before mixing it with others.
1 at a time.
Then think about stacks.

I dont even know what you ordered. Just was a long list.

Some may cause liver damage or severe increases in cholesterol levels. Figure out which do what and take ancillary supplements to combat these side effects on cycle.

Stay hydrated. 1 gal min water daily.

Many of these will increase estrogen levels.
Youll want an aromatase inhibitor on cycle and during post cycle therapy. Some may tell you otherwise. But no. Use an ai.
Better to have low estrogen than tits.

Post cycle youll have basically 0 testosterone.
Youll want a min of 4 weeks.
Run a serm =clomid, nolvadex or rebirth(our supplement)
Also use an ai. Exemestane, arimidex or Letrone (again my supplement)
I suggest also a test booster like viron.


The real deal is first cycle should always be testosterone. Solo.
No cycle ever except for the tail end of contest prep should be without testosterone. I dont have time to explain why but 100% yes.

Orals are harsh and have nasty side effects. Test is mild and your body likes it as its already present.

Test solo
Then test and something else mild.
Then maybe test and an oral kick start.
From there....things get complex and again i dont have the time or energy to dictate.

For now. Take it easy. Go slowly. Do your homework.
It would likely take you 5+ years under the best circumstances with high drug cycles, lota of food and good genetics to even come close to 225lbs from your current. At 8%....i wouldnt hold my breath.
Baby steps bro.
Aim for 180 to 185 after pct and recovery phase.
 
Humans gonna human

OP aint interested in learning, or doing any appropriate research.

He seeking confirmation bias. Hes already bought a bunch of sh1t, and has a mindset...and wants people to enable him.
 
malin said:
See you guys doing it wrong , op just want you to write him a cycle , hook him up with pct and thats all .
He doesn't need all that other useless info you are trying to provide him with .
That kind of approach is a reason we can't have nice things.
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You got it almost right. He actually DOESN'T want a solid PCT set up, so if you can point him in the direction of OTC, he would be much obliged.
 
id come in here and troll and tell you to take all those compounds at once, but you literally are so clueless you might actually do that.

BEFORE TAKING ANYTHING!
Research "Proper PostCycleTherapy Regimen"
You are going to need a SERM... arguably the most important part of a prohormone cycle.... without this you will never feel the same again (literally) this will jumpstart your natural test production
 
This guy is so baiting you guys. He goes from asking about to ordering all within an hour? Plus he's 5'9 and wants to weigh 225 at 8% no way without serious juice.
 
TSMilliner said:
This guy is so baiting you guys. He goes from asking about to ordering all within an hour? Plus he's 5'9 and wants to weigh 225 at 8% no way without serious juice.
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I did I was 5'10 natty sitting at 223 at 9% at 19 before shoulder injuries took me down. Not unrealistic goals if you have the genetic work ethic and knowledge
 
ryane87 said:
You got it almost right. He actually DOESN'T want a solid PCT set up, so if you can point him in the direction of OTC, he would be much obliged.[/QUOTE
Ha , I missed that , plus with all the stuff he's got at hand he can be ,, on ,, for a long time , no need to worry about pct , fu@k it , just grow !!!!
And I just wonder if op is aware that there is anabolic section on this bord with some good info in it , but then again nobody got time to read all that $hit .
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