Layne Norton to part from Avatar Nutrition

Even with all of his insecurities I think he should be able to do better . Mr Layne Norton, bodybuilding celebrity extravaganza, should be able to get some buffer bunnies
 
tyga tyga said:
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Leave this here to help understand squat mechanics.

Longer the femur to relative torso length, the more forward you become to keep the bar over mid-foot.

Is his squat ugly? Yup. But, those are the genetics he was dealt.
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This form error can be corrected by simply flaring one's knees out to the side while squatting. Powerlifters do this all the time....and they all stand pretty much upright...or with a slight forward lean at best...despite having varying femur lengths. Why? Because they know how to squat with proper mechanics.

Trying to squat narrow without flaring one's knees will result in the individual doing a standing leg press (as seen in the picture above). If someone is going to squat like that, they might as well just leg press...because that's essentially what they're doing anyway.
 
Except there's a barbell on your back and you're not laying down with your ass on a seat. But yah, other than that, same thing.
 
Fukin Layne douchebag Norton.... Obviously extremely smart, but a HUGE jackass. Also, does anyone really buy that he's Natty? Lmao...

I remember getting into it with him on Facebook, saying that yes, IIFYM can be utilized very well, but that I felt better energy from 'clean' carbs as opposed to say a poptart. He claimed that I was spouting bull****... Well, come a year later the idiot makes an article titled 'macro sources matter' or something like that, essentially proving that 'clean' food sources acctually are better.
 
jswain34 said:
Except there's a barbell on your back and you're not laying down with your ass on a seat. But yah, other than that, same thing.
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You missed the point. From a muscular activation standpoint (the hams, quads, and glutes) it is very similar. Why perform squats in a way that mimics the leg press? Either squat right or do another exercise.
 
Mike Arnold said:
You missed the point. From a muscular activation standpoint (the hams, quads, and glutes) it is very similar. Why perform squats in a way that mimics the leg press? Either squat right or do another exercise.
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Because he is a powerlifter and last time I checked how much you can leg press is irrelevant to powerlifting.
 
jswain34 said:
Because he is a powerlifter and last time I checked how much you can leg press is irrelevant to powerlifting.
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Again, you missed the point. I'm not even talking about Layne. Never mind.
 
Darkprince said:
Fukin Layne douchebag Norton.... Obviously extremely smart, but a HUGE jackass. Also, does anyone really buy that he's Natty? Lmao...

I remember getting into it with him on Facebook, saying that yes, IIFYM can be utilized very well, but that I felt better energy from 'clean' carbs as opposed to say a poptart. He claimed that I was spouting bull****... Well, come a year later the idiot makes an article titled 'macro sources matter' or something like that, essentially proving that 'clean' food sources acctually are better.
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hahaha that's what aragon was up in arms about with me....calories in vs calories out for fat loss assuming protein amounts are the same...I said assuming protein is equal I feel better and prefer lower carbs for everyday living, and I was a troll, an idiot, blah blah blah.....ok then, how I feel isn't as important as results in the gym I guess

some of these guys try to be too smart rather than using common sense
 
Young Gotti said:
hahaha that's what aragon was up in arms about with me....calories in vs calories out for fat loss assuming protein amounts are the same...I said assuming protein is equal I feel better and prefer lower carbs for everyday living, and I was a troll, an idiot, blah blah blah.....ok then, how I feel isn't as important as results in the gym I guess

some of these guys try to be too smart rather than using common sense
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I know bro, Aragon is equally as arrogant. I made the argument that while poptarts and a multi may be good, whole foods and minimally processed 'clean' foods are better, and that individuality most certainly exists, and that's why different things work for different people, so it's important to be open minded and try new things. Nope. They just insisted that because they have studies, it's automatically assumed true to EVERYONE. Lmao, close minded idiots.
 
Darkprince said:
I know bro, Aragon is equally as arrogant. I made the argument that while poptarts and a multi may be good, whole foods and minimally processed 'clean' foods are better, and that individuality most certainly exists, and that's why different things work for different people, so it's important to be open minded and try new things. Nope. They just insisted that because they have studies, it's automatically assumed true to EVERYONE. Lmao, close minded idiots.
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But dont you see, its the somewhat learned and non-ignorant guys like yourself that are not Aragons typical target. He's going for the Average Social Media Bro and Sister who is scientifically naive and easily impressioned by fad nutritional cliches.

Of course, he runs the risk of being lumped in with the very ideologies he opposes, but as with any idea expressed in a generic cookie cutter manner, individuality will be somewhat lost and so it should be (once the grasshopper has grasped the basic principles, he can go on to make changes where it suits).
 
Nac said:
But dont you see, its the somewhat learned and non-ignorant guys like yourself that are not Aragons typical target. He's going for the Average Social Media Bro and Sister who is scientifically naive and easily impressioned by fad nutritional cliches.

Of course, he runs the risk of being lumped in with the very ideologies he opposes, but as with any idea expressed in a generic cookie cutter manner, individuality will be somewhat lost and so it should be (once the grasshopper has grasped the basic principles, he can go on to make changes where it suits).
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funny thing Is in my case, I wasn't even arguing the science, I was just sharing the fact that if everything is equal, that I'm going with what makes me feel better

but his followers might be worse than him, they started arguing things that weren't even relevant to what I posted

either way, some of these guys see they have ppl hang on their every word and get big heads when they need to settle down
 
Young Gotti said:
hahaha that's what aragon was up in arms about with me....calories in vs calories out for fat loss assuming protein amounts are the same...I said assuming protein is equal I feel better and prefer lower carbs for everyday living, and I was a troll, an idiot, blah blah blah.....ok then, how I feel isn't as important as results in the gym I guess

some of these guys try to be too smart rather than using common sense
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That's your problem right there.
Calories in vs Calories out with protein standardized is all that matters from a general point of view; your issue was that you argued a fact from an anecdotal standpoint (that you (n=1) feel better following a different method). He's not saying that doesn't work - he's saying of course it will work but don't narrow it down to "low carb works for me so it is better".

It is better for you, but that doesn't make it better overall. He's making generalizations so that those who think they must avoid fat or carbs to lose weight can rest assured they don't
 
Darkprince said:
I know bro, Aragon is equally as arrogant. I made the argument that while poptarts and a multi may be good, whole foods and minimally processed 'clean' foods are better, and that individuality most certainly exists, and that's why different things work for different people, so it's important to be open minded and try new things. Nope. They just insisted that because they have studies, it's automatically assumed true to EVERYONE. Lmao, close minded idiots.
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Show me where he says anywhere that you should neglect whole foods for a multi for health. Seriously, link me to a time he has ever stated that and I'll change my opinion on him.

Here's where most people get confused - he knows health is important, but the healthiness of a food has no bearing on weight loss. You can lose weight eating high carb. You can lose weight eating low carb. You can lose weight eating healthy. You can lose weight being unhealthy.

He also knows there is individuality in terms of how you feel. That's why he says BOTH low and high carb work. People always say he's wrong because they say, "but I feel better eating low carb and you're saying high carb works, but it doesn't for me".

Leave your own feelings out of it. Both work provided protein is equal.
 
Jiigzz said:
Show me where he says anywhere that you should neglect whole foods for a multi for health. Seriously, link me to a time he has ever stated that and I'll change my opinion on him.

Here's where most people get confused - he knows health is important, but the healthiness of a food has no bearing on weight loss. You can lose weight eating high carb. You can lose weight eating low carb. You can lose weight eating healthy. You can lose weight being unhealthy.

He also knows there is individuality in terms of how you feel. That's why he says BOTH low and high carb work. People always say he's wrong because they say, "but I feel better eating low carb and you're saying high carb works, but it doesn't for me".

Leave your own feelings out of it. Both work provided protein is equal.
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I'll dig it up, he was just being a douchebag for no good reason. The argument was that there's no difference between poptarts and a muti as opposed to getting the same minerals and vitimans from vegetables. I said that I feel much better and see better results with the latter, which he said was bull. Funny thing is, several other people agreed with me. He's just a pompous ass, but yeah, he's extremely smart, and I've learned a lot from the guy.
 
Jiigzz said:
That's your problem right there.
Calories in vs Calories out with protein standardized is all that matters from a general point of view; your issue was that you argued a fact from an anecdotal standpoint (that you (n=1) feel better following a different method). He's not saying that doesn't work - he's saying of course it will work but don't narrow it down to "low carb works for me so it is better".

It is better for you, but that doesn't make it better overall. He's making generalizations so that those who think they must avoid fat or carbs to lose weight can rest assured they don't
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No...your missing the point

I said i prefer such a method...so if all things equal...im going with what makes me feel better...not that it was better overall

It was just an outside opinion of the agenda he was pushing at the time...so he got his panties in a bunch

Like i said...i didnt argue the science..the article was fine...but i offered a viewpoint and he takes himself so serious that he couldnt handle it...no different than if someone said they feel better with more carbs
 
Young Gotti said:
No...your missing the point

I said i prefer such a method...so if all things equal...im going with what makes me feel better...not that it was better overall

It was just an outside opinion of the agenda he was pushing at the time...so he got his panties in a bunch

Like i said...i didnt argue the science..the article was fine...but i offered a viewpoint and he takes himself so serious that he couldnt handle it
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Your viewpoint literally falls in line with what he is saying lol

That's like me saying, "both a wrench and a socket will remove the bolt, provided you can access them freely" then you saying, "but a socket is better because I prefer it"

You're agreeing with what I'm saying, yet somehow making it out like im wrong
 
Jiigzz said:
Your viewpoint literally falls in line with what he is saying lol

That's like me saying, "both a wrench and a socket will remove the bolt, provided you can access them freely" then you saying, "but a socket is better because I prefer it"

You're agreeing with what I'm saying, yet somehow making it out like im wrong
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You are wrong

I am not saying one way is better....i never said that

Actually he did...i was a low carb zealot....but tons of ppl in the comments were saying they prefer high carbs...i merely just said the opposite and he got all pissy and called me a troll and all that

I cant take him serious if he preachs do what works for you but then gets upset with someone comments on what works for them because its not in line with what his latest article said
 
Darkprince said:
I know bro, Aragon is equally as arrogant. I made the argument that while poptarts and a multi may be good, whole foods and minimally processed 'clean' foods are better, and that individuality most certainly exists, and that's why different things work for different people, so it's important to be open minded and try new things. Nope. They just insisted that because they have studies, it's automatically assumed true to EVERYONE. Lmao, close minded idiots.
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if goal is weight loss and not health and muscle retention the pop tart under your caloric requirement will lead to weight loss, strength loss, performance loss, loss of sanity...etc...
 
USPlabsRep said:
if goal is weight loss and not health and muscle retention the pop tart under your caloric requirement will lead to weight loss, strength loss, performance loss, loss of sanity...etc...
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Strength loss? Simply because of Calorie restriction or because the pop tart has magical strength sucking ability?
 
Young Gotti said:
funny thing Is in my case, I wasn't even arguing the science, I was just sharing the fact that if everything is equal, that I'm going with what makes me feel better

but his followers might be worse than him, they started arguing things that weren't even relevant to what I posted

either way, some of these guys see they have ppl hang on their every word and get big heads when they need to settle down
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Well that makes sense. The reason that crowd tends to hate on low carbers is because a lot of internet low carbers act superior than others.

They may have mistaken you for one of those
 
Jiigzz said:
Strength loss? Simply because of Calorie restriction or because the pop tart has magical strength sucking ability?
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Could be calorie restriction and the fact it has very little nutritional value.
 
Admin said:
Could be calorie restriction and the fact it has very little nutritional value.
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I would never advocate for it personally, or ever advise anyone to substitute a pop tart for anything of value, but I also don't buy into the idea that choosing one food over another could make you weaker (if that is what is being said).

The take home is really that you can be higher carb or lower carb and experience similar weightloss provided protein is equal. That means those that prefer low carb can opt for that, and those who like higher carb can opt for that.

What you eat today dictates how you look, what you eat in the long term will dictate your health
 
Jiigzz said:
I would never advocate for it personally, or ever advise anyone to substitute a pop tart for anything of value, but I also don't buy into the idea that choosing one food over another could make you weaker (if that is what is being said).
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If one is taking in less calories than maintenance, I could see food choices easily leading to that even with protein being equal. I also think it would be dependent on the individual.
 
Jiigzz said:
Well that makes sense. The reason that crowd tends to hate on low carbers is because a lot of internet low carbers act superior than others.

They may have mistaken you for one of those
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Maybe, but thats how alan comes off and they follow him

I was only sharing my experience...its all we can ever do...not preaching that anyone should ever follow what i do
 
Young Gotti said:
Maybe, but thats how alan comes off and they follow him

I was only sharing my experience...its all we can ever do...not preaching that anyone should ever follow what i do
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I get that vibe from everyone on facebook pages lol.

I get now what you were meaning
 
Young Gotti said:
hahaha that's what aragon was up in arms about with me....calories in vs calories out for fat loss assuming protein amounts are the same...I said assuming protein is equal I feel better and prefer lower carbs for everyday living, and I was a troll, an idiot, blah blah blah.....ok then, how I feel isn't as important as results in the gym I guess

some of these guys try to be too smart rather than using common sense
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Different people respond differently to low carbs. Some ppl like my dad for instance, just get cranky and hangry easily on low carbs
 
u_e_s_i said:
Different people respond differently to low carbs. Some ppl like my dad for instance, just get cranky and hangry easily on low carbs
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Yep. Even Dr. D'agostinno says there are roughly 10-15% of people that simply have a bad reaction to low carb, for whatever reason.
 
I am trying to low carb now but when I do take in carbs, I go for them to be from a nutritional substance. If not only but for my own well being beliefs. I guess I worry if the carbs aren't from a whole food choice such as yams or oats, then the preservatives and whatever other chemicals and fillers the company put in the premade food will throw me off and make me not feel so good.

However, I'm human, and it is Halloween time, so hide the Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. LOL
 
Young Gotti said:
Yep, either way after that day I was booted from FB and asked to provide proof of identification
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That'll go away as soon as you do. Facebook flags accounts that do not obviously belong to a real person. You'll notice that a lot of fake accounts add you on facebook only to vanish. That's the bots at work lol
 
Jiigzz said:
That'll go away as soon as you do. Facebook flags accounts that do not obviously belong to a real person. You'll notice that a lot of fake accounts add you on facebook only to vanish. That's the bots at work lol
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Yeah i was an easy target because of my job...i didnt have my last name..12 years on fb..one post on an aragon artcile and bam...gone...its been like 9 months
 
Man, low carb was hard, but after about 10 days you start to feel good. Couldn't do it longer than a month, and my God binging on those tacoburgers and watching my muscles fill with glycogen was the best damn feeling ever. I think super low carb has its place for everyone but certainly shouldn't be long term, at least for me, I think it's mainly useful for helping restrict calories, perhaps burn a very little bit more fat, helps tremendously with sub q water, and improves my insulin sensitivity, so that when I resume normal carb intake, I make new gains easier.
 
Young Gotti said:
Yeah i was an easy target because of my job...i didnt have my last name..12 years on fb..one post on an aragon artcile and bam...gone...its been like 9 months
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Ah damn that's rough. So many others use fake last names for privacy. Sorry to hear that man
 
Jiigzz said:
Ah damn that's rough. So many others use fake last names for privacy. Sorry to hear that man
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it's probably for the better, the less I know about whats going on around me the better I am....plus I don't get to see all the political nonsense that people post

I mostly just miss seeing when my favorite chef is having killer specials for dinner.
 
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