I have used laxozome, Laxogenin 100, iconogennin, and str3ngth unleshed. They all worked for me for strength and recovery, when using a combination of iconogenin and laxogenin 100, I was able to add 30lbs to my one rep max on bench, but only at 200+ mg/day, a lot of companies recommend using 100mg a day but my guess is it's just so it seems like a bottle lasts longer and isn't as expensive. As others have said, it isn't a miracle, and don't expect prohormone kind of results, but if you can run 200mg a day for 8 weeks you'll get noticably stronger and for a single natural ingredient, I'd call it a win.