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Late to the Havoc party...

celc5 said:
Thanks for logging. You mentioned that AP is one of you staple supps. When you took it before, did you stack it as you are now? Can you compare your MassFx + AP + PF pumps now to when you used AP (+whatever your stack was)?
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Good question. The first time I took AP I basically took it with nothing but the staples (protein, multi, etc). And although I thought it worked great and I got leaner using it the one thing I noticed was that I wasnt getting the proclaimed "awesome pumps" from it that others were claiming. I can definitely say that the pumps I am having now with the PF and MassFX are some of the best I have ever had. I think the key might be the massfx. I have ran AP and PF together and dont recall the pumps being like this. I have also used the Evo stack but not with AP and the pumps werent as good. So that really leads me to believe its the MassFX. Either way I am happy with how PCT is going. I am researching albuterol right now to possibly add that into my cutting stack once this pct is complete.
 
Just thought I'd give a lil PCT update. Sh*t is going real real well right now. Weight is holding between 208 and 212 and I seem to be getting leaner! Im not sure which supp it is but pumps in the gym have been better than when I was on havoc! I believe this is the massfx. Strength seems to be going up still.

I haven't deadlifted in about a month or two. Worked up to 325 today and it felt easy. All time max is around 375. I think I will put in a couple of weeks and maybe shoot for 400 if things keep up like this.

Just for the record these supps are being used in PCT:

Powerfull
AP
Nolva 40/30/20/10
Massfx
restore
creatine and other staples...
 
Any updates on how your post cycle therapy stack is going? paticularly interested in how the mass fx is doing for you.
 
metroba said:
Any updates on how your post cycle therapy stack is going? paticularly interested in how the mass fx is doing for you.
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Things are still going well. I really like the Massfx so far. I would definitely like to use it again. I have noticed a lil bit of acne on the forhead but nothing bad.

On another note I got into work today, sat down, and suddenly got a bad pain in my chest. I thought it might be heartburn but it was on the opposite side of my chest under the inner pec. It only hurts when I lean forward....bought to head to the gym so I'll see how it feels.
 
Well I had another good workout. Im thinking the chest pain was possibly an issue with an oblique muscle. I have had tight obliques off and on (not really sure why). Once I got in there it seemed to loosen up a bit and really isnt bothering me.

Weight this morning was 207lbs. Down from where it has been but I did a lot of cardio this weekend and seem to be dropping a little bit of BF. Im thinking I may get the BF tested again in a week or two here. Started using sesathin and I have some albuterol on its way to start a cutting cycle after this PCT. I dont think I have really cut below 12% in a long time (pry since high school), so it will be interesting to see if I can even do it.
 
Just a suggestion,..
Don't start to cut for another week at least.
You dopn't wanbt to be cutting right off the bat. Give yourself a little time to get your natty test up some.
MASSFX is also a good bullker, so you should keep your cals the same as when you finished your cycle. Remember, your going to have to eat more to support the extra weight. Especially now, if you drop back to your old eating habbits, you'll probably continue to drop weight..

The supps should help, just eat for 208, as opposed for 199 :afro:
 
xtraflossy said:
Just a suggestion,..
Don't start to cut for another week at least.
You dopn't wanbt to be cutting right off the bat. Give yourself a little time to get your natty test up some.
MASSFX is also a good bullker, so you should keep your cals the same as when you finished your cycle. Remember, your going to have to eat more to support the extra weight. Especially now, if you drop back to your old eating habbits, you'll probably continue to drop weight..

The supps should help, just eat for 208, as opposed for 199 :afro:
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Thanks man. I actually know better than that but its friggin tempting as hell to trim some fat and show off the new muscle. I will admit I have increased my cardio without increasing my cals. I will try and correct that.
 
Travis said:
Im thinking the chest pain was possibly an issue with an oblique muscle. I have had tight obliques off and on (not really sure why).
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Since you mentioned chronic oblique tightness, try this stretch:

To stretch your right obliques, put your right knee on a flat bench and stand on your left foot just to the left of the bench. Your right foot can hang over front edge of the bench to get a good "grip." Lean forward like your are lunging on your left leg. Rotate your waist to the left and look upward. Allow your right hip joint to "open up" stretching the hip flexor and lower abs. You may have seen some wrestlers doing this stretch.

If you feel it too much in your hip flexor, grab the bench upright to your left with your right hand to pull your trunk into more rotation. The "opening up" from your hip to your rib cage is the most important part.
 
Travis said:
Things are still going well. I really like the Massfx so far. I would definitely like to use it again. I have noticed a lil bit of acne on the forhead but nothing bad.

On another note I got into work today, sat down, and suddenly got a bad pain in my chest. I thought it might be heartburn but it was on the opposite side of my chest under the inner pec. It only hurts when I lean forward....bought to head to the gym so I'll see how it feels.
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Did the chest pain start after starting massfx?
 
molotov said:
Nice log...so what's the weight at now?

Also, how was libido on cycle?
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I finished PCT yesterday with a weight of 207. I was happy with the gains. The libido was a little low during cycle. I am going to run havoc again (with some other goodies) so I do need to find a way to try and improve libido. I will more than likely be running havoc at a higher dosage/longer period of time or one or the other next time.
 
I think havoc and PP would be an awesome combination if you want to run two orals like that....i personally wouldnt. My next cycle is looking like some havoc stacked with formestane. Then I may use massfx in pct or hypertest (need to decide on that yet). I will also be using nolva and retain 2 in pct. And add to all that some IGF, but the timing will be a little different and I'll post all that in a new log.
 
Travis said:
My next cycle is looking like some havoc stacked with formestane
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Are you going to run TD form the whole 4 weeks while ON? What dosage do you plan on using? Have you ever used TD formastane before?

Great log btw. I was hoping that you'd be back here posting comments.
 
celc5 said:
Are you going to run TD form the whole 4 weeks while ON? What dosage do you plan on using? Have you ever used TD formastane before?

Great log btw. I was hoping that you'd be back here posting comments.
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It will be the TD form. Im not sure about the full four weeks yet...basically because I havent decided if I will only be running the havoc 4 weeks. I have never used TD form before, i have read a lot of good user feedback about it. I have never really had issues with dry joints but I'll have cissus on tap if I need it. As for TD dosage I think I am going to use about 80-100mg's/day.

And thanks for the support!
 
Travis said:
It will be the TD form. Im not sure about the full four weeks yet...basically because I havent decided if I will only be running the havoc 4 weeks. I have never used TD form before, i have read a lot of good user feedback about it. I have never really had issues with dry joints but I'll have cissus on tap if I need it. As for TD dosage I think I am going to use about 80-100mg's/day.

And thanks for the support!
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I'm pretty sure I've repped you out so I'll just say it here :cheers:

Get ready for a ride if you've never tried TD form before. A few of us have user reviews on some other sites :run: PM me if you want to find out more. TD form kicks in on the first dose, even at 20mg for me personally.

Hypethetically speaking, if you ran 6 weeks of Havoc, would you run form 1-4 or 3-6 and why? The reason I'm asking is because I've heard some rumors that form causes shutdown and I want to avoid major problems on cycle.
 
Yeah I will definitely start out the TD form in smaller doses and see how I react.

I have heard the same rumors regarding the shutdown. IMO if you have a proper PCT and are confident in it then the shutdown should be something you expect....it sucks but yeah its part of the game. I would more than likely not do 6 weeks of havoc...probably 5 at the most and it would use it weeks 3-5. At least that is the plan right now.

I am trying to figure out the dosage for havoc and I was thinking one of these options:

20/30/40/50

or

20/30/40/40/50

or

30/40/50/60

Not sure at this point. I didnt really react to havoc at 20 or 30mg's. I am tryin to find some logs of other guys who ran havoc or epi at a higher dosage to see how they did. I may hit ya up for some TD questions once it gets closer to go time.
 
Thanks AB!

Just an update I started a cut using a few things including albuterol, sesathin, and a lot of cardio.

I am only on day 5 of using the albuterol at 8mgs/day. It must be raising my blood pressure b/c I have been getting headaches and I rarely ever get headaches. I have started using Life Support and it has cleared up the headaches (its noticable very quickly). I am still not too sure I'll continue to use albuterol if the headaches continue or worsen. Either way my abs are coming in.

Going to get my BF tested here in a week or so again, then I am getting a comprehensive blood test June 19th to make sure everything is in check. I'll post pics after my cut is done....or i get tired of being a skinny bastard.
 
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