How effective is L-Carnitine when dosed orally? I understand that injecting it is a lot better, but would 2-3 grams of L-Carnitine L- Tartrate be an alright dose?
Which form are they running and how much?I've taken it just as part of a staple for many years but I really don't know why I keep it because I don't notice when I do or don't. However, I can attest to how incredible it is injected based on several guys I know doing so. They look like they are on a mild cycle- leaned up a lot and muscle appears much fuller.
I have not see that ??Anybody tried transdermal carnitine?. Thinking of trying this.
There were and are few products with some carnitine in them for localized use. I was wondering of using a carrier and adding carnitine to see if it works systemically. The molecular weight of carnitine is low enough (around 160D) to allow transdermal delivery in theory.I have not see that ??
Applying it right at fat stores might be effective.There were and are few products with some carnitine in them for localized use. I was wondering of using a carrier and adding carnitine to see if it works systemically. The molecular weight of carnitine is low enough (around 160D) to allow transdermal delivery in theory.
How much would it take to fill a bath tub.Applying it right at fat stores might be effective.
Unless I'm misremembering..... Matt used Carnitine and PLCAR in EvoMuse Eviscerate and Eviscerate Smolder.There were and are few products with some carnitine in them for localized use. I was wondering of using a carrier and adding carnitine to see if it works systemically. The molecular weight of carnitine is low enough (around 160D) to allow transdermal delivery in theory.
I would love to hear your protocol, thoughts and feedback ???I just inject it...been on it close to a year
Do you notice an increase in sweating ??It is like creatine where it works behind the scenes...great for fat loss and overall health
Yes indeed...especially at higher mgDo you notice an increase in sweating ??
Yes, I remember these. But these where for localized fat loss.Unless I'm misremembering..... Matt used Carnitine and PLCAR in EvoMuse Eviscerate and Eviscerate Smolder.
Are you using injectable carnitine? What dosage?I am on week two or three, getting leaner and more vascular daily !!
Yes, 200mg daily at 4am Fasted Pre-WorkoutAre you using injectable carnitine? What dosage?
Thank you for your response.At 600 a day I haven't noticed any affects on sleep.
I am having good results at 300mg per day, I may try 400 down the road.Seems like for fat loss the more the better. I've had many guys report they found 1000mg a day to be the sweet spot. I've also seen ppl use up to 3000mg a day, you read that correct 3000 and that was where they found diminishing returns.
I don't think there's much of a difference between 1000-3000 going by his results.
Chase irons has a YouTube channel where he use to talk a lot about carn and he also went up to 3000+ and said similar things
I don't agree with everything the guy says but he probably has more Carnitine experience then anyone else I've come across.
900 is a solid dose. Increased sweating, increased muscular endurance and fat loss is all very noticeable at this dose.
Even at 300mg it's noticable
Now you have me curious, I my have to try 600 this morning for International Chest Day !!300 was where I first started using it at and it worked absolutely fine, not to mention those 600mg/ml bottles last a long time on 300. The only thing I wanna say is if you're going to raise the dose then make a bigger jump because you won't notice a difference between 300-400. But if you go from 300-600 it will definitely be noticable.
Go for it! Today's a rest day for meNow you have me curious, I my have to try 600 this morning for International Chest Day !!
This is false
Then search the forums. There’s plenty of people who regularly ask for other forms of carnitine and have used it with varying effects on here.I'm cool with the actual science that's important but also was real world experience and stuff that happens outside of studies you read on the internet with people you've never met in your entire life. L-Carnitine has a very very low oral bioavailability and it's effectiveness is minuscule in comparison to injecting it. Scientific studies are nice and they're a place to begin your research but they very rarely pan out outside of the lab and most of them aren't worth the paper they're written on when it comes to showing those results first hand
Ok so you don’t understand how to interpret research that’s not my fault.You can literally find a study to support either side of any argument you want if you look hard enough. I'm pretty sure there was a study that showed apples cause cancer. Maybe we should all stop eating apples lol
Instead of posting anything substantial we get a retort about people knowing what is correct and a clear sense of a lack of nuance. There are plenty of people on forums that do feel oral Carnitine isn't effective, especially comparative to injected versions . Instead of linking anything no one in this thread did anything other than provide anecdotal feedback (which is perfectly fine, I mean that is close to literally the point of the forums to share anecdotal feedback on what we have liked and disliked).I don't need to defend myself in an argument that 99% of us already know the answer to and that answer is oral L-Carnitine is very marginally effective. The majority of us know that the sky is blue when we don't have to keep repeating it over and over again prove to someone that the sky is blue, so You enjoy your labor day bud
I don't see how this is relevant. You don't know what they look like or how strong they are just because they don't have an avatar. I bet I outlift lots of people on the forums in certain areas, but not sure how that should immediately offset their feedback. Same with how some people post a ton and some just lurk, posting more shouldn't be an automatic signifier of one being more correct than another.Yep there's a bunch of people who say it's effective who never post pictures of themselves never show progress and don't have any results. They just say that it works with no results whatsoever zero
I honestly haven't kept up with it as much recently, but in regards to performance I don't recall any or even many for injectable Carnitine in general.Is there any literature comparing injectable L-Carnitine to oral LCLT/ALCAR/PLCAR from a pharmacokinetic perspective?
Never have used injectable carnitine (and won’t- just not my thing), but I do anecdotally find nice results from 2-3g of LCLT regarding recovery. Less DOMS. LCLT + carbs pre/intra workout seems to work well for me when I do use it.
I Did, I will post the Results in my thread later today !!Go for it! Today's a rest day for me
Agreed. A lot of people overlook that there are different types of L-Carnitine and that while they all share some similarities, there are also some notable differences and a person should select the type that best suits their individual needs. A good example of this is that we use Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALCAR) in Focus XT because it is the form that helps with the nootropic (cognitive enhancing) benefits the most.It is plenty effective orally. Just go with the appropriate form for the benefits you would like.
Agreed. Supplementation in general is about expectations and if people have the proper expectations from L-Carnitine supplementation, then there has been tons of positive feedback going back 20+ years and its supported by dozens, if not hundreds of clinical studies.Effect of Acute and Chronic Oral l-Carnitine Supplementation on Exercise Performance Based on the Exercise Intensity: A Systematic Review - PubMed
l-Carnitine (l-C) and any of its forms (glycine-propionyl l-Carnitine (GPL-C) or l-Carnitine l-tartrate (l-CLT)) has been frequently recommended as a supplement to improve sports performance due to, among others, its role in fat metabolism and in maintaining the mitochondrial acetyl-CoA/CoA...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It depends on your goals and expectations but people have been using various forms of carnitine for a pretty long time, you can even search this specific forum if actual science isn’t your thing.
I never saw Resolve say anything about comparing oral L-Carnitine supplementation to injecting it.I'm cool with the actual science that's important but also was real world experience and stuff that happens outside of studies you read on the internet with people you've never met in your entire life. L-Carnitine has a very very low oral bioavailability and it's effectiveness is minuscule in comparison to injecting it. Scientific studies are nice and they're a place to begin your research but they very rarely pan out outside of the lab and most of them aren't worth the paper they're written on when it comes to showing those results first hand
Agreed on this point too. We've been asked to do a powdered L-Carnitine supplement many times on here and outside of AM, its been one of our most requested products and is one of the best selling supplement categories in the sports nutrition supplement market.Then search the forums. There’s plenty of people who regularly ask for other forms of carnitine and have used it with varying effects on here.
I don't understand the argument here and I mean that sincerely. I'm not meaning to be disrespectful at all; I like both of you and I just don't understand why you went at him the way you have because you're going at him like he said that oral supplementation was better than injectable and I never saw him even mention injectable.I don't need to defend myself in an argument that 99% of us already know the answer to and that answer is oral L-Carnitine is very marginally effective. The majority of us know that the sky is blue when we don't have to keep repeating it over and over again prove to someone that the sky is blue, so You enjoy your labor day bud
I agree that oral L-Carnitine is less bioavailable than injectable but that is the case with almost anything. The dosages for most oral supplements in general aren't based around you getting 100% bioavailability. Whereas you may go 100 to 300 mg. per day on an injectable, one may have to go 1000 to 3000 mg. per day to get the same dose from an oral.I don't know about that, but we do know that oral Carnitine is only about 10-12% bioavailability and injectable is 100%
So on paper the 2-3 grams oral is equal to about 200-300mg injectable. But from my own experience and other people I've personally spoken and trained with, there no comparison between the 2 in effects.
I'm not saying oral dosent work. It does, but it works at a fraction of it's injectable counterpart when it comes to increasing muscular endurance, speeding up fat loss, hair, skin, nails, libido, cognitive function ect.
For recovery purposes..... No clue. I never found it to be something that does a ton for recovery. But I also don't have issues with recovery.
FWIW I was a bit rude with the comment about understanding studies. I am in general a bit of a dick, just get a little annoyed because I've had people bump old threads of mine in the past like this or downvote things with no actual backing up of claims. I am admittedly "evidence biased" in many scenarios.Agreed.
Edited to save space, not to disregard what was said
My point was that no one said that it was and it didn't seem like you to bump a months old thread to tell him he was wrong when he was answering a question specifically about oral L-Carnitine supplementation and didn't mention injectable L-Carnitine at all.My point was plain and simple, oral l Carnitine is not comparable to Injectable Carnitine on any level. I at no point said oral Carnitine does not work. But if anyone is saying that oral carnitine is just as effective or even remotely as effective as injectable L-Carnitine they are straight up lying, or have never used injectable Carnitine
I'm not trying to argue with you either. I like you and normally enjoy your posts.@sns8778 I'm not trying to fight or argue with you I'm just trying to make a point
at no point did I say oral does not work and I even talked about ways that I have successfully used oral Carnitine in conjunction with the injectable.
I'm not trying to argue with you either. I like you and normally enjoy your posts.
I don't disagree with you that many people may find that injectable L-Carnitine will work better for them than oral L-Carnitine; but that wasn't what the thread was about. The original poster had said in his original post that he knew injectable L-Carnitine was better but was asking specifically about oral L-Carnitine supplementation and if that was an alright dose.
Resolve replied that it was an alright dose and emphasized the importance of people picking the correct form of carnitine for their individual needs and this was the correct answer for oral L-Carnitine supplementation because the 2,000 to 3,000 mg. per day range is the dosage range is the range commonly used in studies and also that has a lot of real world feedback on it.
He never said that oral L-Carnitine supplementation was better than injectable Carnitine, he didn't even mention injectable at all; he just answered the original poster's question about oral L-Carnitine dosages.
You said in this post that I'm replying to above that you never said that oral Carnitine supplementation doesn't work. The reason that I took yours posts to be saying or implying that was:
Resolve's original post:
It is plenty effective orally. Just go with the appropriate form for the benefits you would like.
You bumped the thread to quote that and say:
This is false
Then he posted a study and mentioned the positive feedback on oral L-Carnitine supplementation over the years.
You replied:
I don't need to defend myself in an argument that 99% of us already know the answer to and that answer is oral L-Carnitine is very marginally effective. The majority of us know that the sky is blue when we don't have to keep repeating it over and over again prove to someone that the sky is blue, so You enjoy your labor day bud
Yep there's a bunch of people who say it's effective who never post pictures of themselves never show progress and don't have any results. They just say that it works with no results whatsoever zero
The thing is, you bumped this thread to tell him a post from almost 6 months ago was false even though it was factually correct in terms of oral L-Carnitine supplementation. You came at him like he was saying that oral L-Carnitine supplementation was better than injectable but that wasn't what his post was about and it had already been acknowledged in the original post of the thread that injectable was better but the member was asking about oral L-Carnitine supplementation. I would have understood this more if Resolve had said oral was better than injectable but he never even mentioned it. He was just answering the OP's question and the answer was correct as pertains to oral L-Carnitine supplementation.
I understand that you love injectable L-Carnitine, but please understand my side of this that this is a supplement forum and 99% of people that come on AM to read and gain knowledge about supplements are never going to inject anything; so to them, its not injectable versus oral. They're looking at threads like this as - hey, is 2 to 3 grams of L-Carnitine a good dose if I'm going to take L-Carnitine? And for them, the answer is yes.
I like Resolve and I like you, and it does make me sad to see the way this thread turned but my main intention with my posts isn't to play peacemaker between the two of you; my main intention is to clarify things for people that may read this thread and not post in it, whether it be today, tomorrow, or 6 months or 3 years from now that yes, while injectable L-Carnitine may be more effective than oral L-Carnitine, one doesn't have to inject to get the benefits from L-Carnitine and shouldn't dismiss L-Carnitine just bc they're not willing to inject it. And that for oral L-Carnitine supplementation, the effective dosage range is generally regarded as 1 to 3 grams per day.
I hope that makes sense.
I purchased Alex Kikel’s Carnitine ebook, so most of what I believe comes down to his opinions after reviewing various studies and using carnitine with many of his athletes, and the anecdote of some other coaches he has consulted with. In that book, he posts more than a handful of studies he believes are relevant to help show how L-carnitine can be useful to performance & physique-based athletes.Is there any literature comparing injectable L-Carnitine to oral LCLT/ALCAR/PLCAR from a pharmacokinetic perspective?
Never have used injectable carnitine (and won’t- just not my thing), but I do anecdotally find nice results from 2-3g of LCLT regarding recovery. Less DOMS. LCLT + carbs pre/intra workout seems to work well for me when I do use it.
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