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pistonpump said:
How do you know the hang up calls are from the Feds? Caller ID? it could just be someone fvcking with you, totally unrelated to the Fed call.
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because after getting like 8 hang ups in an hour [and many others in the prev week]the next call was him , he said who he was and after that the hang ups stopped---I never answer the phone till I know who it is [answer machine]after the advice of the good bros here I feel like messing with this guy 1] I feel he misrepresented him self 2]If he does contact me again Im gonna find out if anything I said prev is gonna be used against me and if so I will say it was under false pretence[because why would FDA be doing an investigation?]3] and then just say anthing else will have to go thru my lawyer4] I think what might happen is they want me to testify angainst this guy in court5]the thing that sucks is my name will most likely be passed around as a person of interest and BIG BROTHER will be monitering everything I do
 
they probably wondering when you arent home and might search your trash or even you home when you are not there. I wouldnt put that past law enforcement esp if they cant get a warrant. Why else would he be hanging up? it doesnt make sense.
 
pistonpump said:
they probably wondering when you arent home and might search your trash or even you home when you are not there. I wouldnt put that past law enforcement esp if they cant get a warrant. Why else would he be hanging up? it doesnt make sense.
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I think it might have somthing to do with them not wanting me to know who they really are and if they get me on the phone like that then they can use scare tactics to get me to give them info or maybe he passed my info along to somone else and there gonna try --who knows--talk about paranoid:numbered: :numbered: :numbered: :numbered: :numbered: :run: :run: :run: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:
 
skull said:
because after getting like 8 hang ups in an hour [and many others in the prev week]the next call was him , he said who he was and after that the hang ups stopped---I never answer the phone till I know who it is [answer machine]after the advice of the good bros here I feel like messing with this guy 1] I feel he misrepresented him self 2]If he does contact me again Im gonna find out if anything I said prev is gonna be used against me and if so I will say it was under false pretence[because why would FDA be doing an investigation?]3] and then just say anthing else will have to go thru my lawyer4] I think what might happen is they want me to testify angainst this guy in court5]the thing that sucks is my name will most likely be passed around as a person of interest and BIG BROTHER will be monitering everything I do
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WTF is wrong with you? Have you learned nothing? You did so well talking to the person the first time that you think you'll make things better by "messing with" the guy? STFU.

Do not talk to this person again without a lawyer.
 
pistonpump said:
thats bull. theyve knocked on the door for recieving illegal steroids in the mail.
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They don't have jurisdiction over such things. They could show up looking for research chemicals (misbranded drugs) or as part of a multi-agency taskforce but arresting individuals for buying/possessing steroids isn't what they do. Conceivably, if these were actual pharmaceuticals being diverted from the legitimate medical pipeline, then they might have jurisdiction.

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The role of the FDA is to keep consumers safe from dangerous, adulterated or otherwise mirbranded/defective drugs, foods and medical devices.
 
pistonpump said:
Lets say i know someone who had FDA at their house where they rented and the landlord let them in. THis guy confessed to ordering and cooperated even gave the feds some Tamox tabs he had. They made this guy flush the tabs in the toilet and nothing ever came of it again. They wanted to search a bedroom but the owner did not allow them. They did not search.
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Exactly. They didn't have jurisdiction. They didn't have probable cause. They didn't have a warrant.

If they had a warrant, they wouldn't have needed the landlord's permission to enter the premises.

Once the person confessed to ordering steroids, that gave them probable cause to search the whole dwelling (at least the parts occupied by the confessor) without the occupant's permission. However, since they didn't have jurisdiction, they let him say "no" to the bedroom search.

Hell, all they had to do was call local law enforcement to do the bedroom search for them.

I could always be wrong but my guess is any such contacts are because the FDA is looking for corroborative evidence for a case they do have jurisdiction over (in this case, my guess would be someone diverting legitimate pharmaceuticals into the blackmarket).
 
rpen22 said:
Hey YR, what type of lawyer are you again?
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I'm not. I'm a wookie.

If there's someone here who practices criminal defense and/or deals with the FDA, I'd gladly defer to them. However, I'm reading their statutes, reading what they say they have jurisdiction over, and drawing from my own experience/training to give these opinions.

Skull's "friend" should shut the **** up. I don't know what he was involved in to draw the attention of the feds but he really should lay as low as possible until that attention moves on. If they do arrest him, he needs to get a lawyer before he talks so that he isn't bluffed into confessing to anything else.
 
I'm investing in a fire proof safe to keep anything I might have secure. Not sure where I'm putting it, or what I'm keeping in it though.....

Read the 4th amendment.
 
I still can't believe someone actually confesses to a stranger over the phone. I can't wrap my tiny brain around it. One of the greatest law enforcement tools is the ability to bull****.
 
I expect this scenario to become more commonplace very soon if they go after sellers of research chems.

But honestly, they're going to be hard pressed to find the resources to go after every end user the way they say they are going to. They've likely sorely underestimated the numbers of people who use.
 
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Just an FYI lads...confessions are inadmissable unless you have been mirandized (the US) or been informed of your statutory rights (Canada). Sorry my legal knowledge of other countries is limited. Furthermore as some said it would not be valid over the telephone as they have failed to identify who they are speaking with. It's on every TV show going and law enforcement tells you exactly what to do...you have the right to remain silent...it is very good advice!
 
wi6 said:
Just an FYI lads...confessions are inadmissable unless you have been mirandized (the US) or been informed of your statutory rights (Canada). Sorry my legal knowledge of other countries is limited. Furthermore as some said it would not be valid over the telephone as they have failed to identify who they are speaking with. It's on every TV show going and law enforcement tells you exactly what to do...you have the right to remain silent...it is very good advice!
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This is terrible legal advice. That's television. That's not how it works in the real world at all. There are a thousand loopholes to Miranda.
 
yeahright said:
I'm not. I'm a wookie.

If there's someone here who practices criminal defense and/or deals with the FDA, I'd gladly defer to them. However, I'm reading their statutes, reading what they say they have jurisdiction over, and drawing from my own experience/training to give these opinions.

Skull's "friend" should shut the **** up. I don't know what he was involved in to draw the attention of the feds but he really should lay as low as possible until that attention moves on. If they do arrest him, he needs to get a lawyer before he talks so that he isn't bluffed into confessing to anything else.
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So if that agent calls my friend again ,are you saying not to call him back-- or call him back and say I wont say anything more without my lawyer and then STFUHow long should my friend lay low[no questionable activities??]I was thinking ,if nothing more happens I could "test the waters "early next year
 
Don't call them back. Just lay low. If they call again, don't answer. If they keep calling, pick up and tell them you're going to file a harassment complaint.
 
skull said:
So if that agent calls my friend again ,are you saying not to call him back-- or call him back and say I wont say anything more without my lawyer and then STFUHow long should my friend lay low[no questionable activities??]I was thinking ,if nothing more happens I could "test the waters "early next year
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Stop talking to these people. You don't have to. No good can come from doing so. If you want to talk to them, do it through a criminal defense attorney who can arrange for you to get something in exchange for talking (immunity, reduced sentence, etc.).

Change your phone number and make the new one unlisted. It will cost you like $25.

If they really want to get in touch with you, they can (1) get a court order for your new phone number; (2) send a certified letter or (3) come visit. If they do any of the three, then get a lawyer and don't say a thing to anyone but the lawyer.

In fact, don't say a thing to anyone anyway. Just as your friend might get leaned on to testify against the distributor, some of your friend's bros might get leaned on to testify against him. STFU.

This has the potential to fade away and it also has the potential to land your friend in prison. Don't say a thing to anyone but an attorney.

And no, I think it would be absolutely foolish to engage in illegal activities for the foreseeable future.
 
yeahright said:
Stop talking to these people. You don't have to. No good can come from doing so. If you want to talk to them, do it through a criminal defense attorney who can arrange for you to get something in exchange for talking (immunity, reduced sentence, etc.).

Change your phone number and make the new one unlisted. It will cost you like $25.

If they really want to get in touch with you, they can (1) get a court order for your new phone number; (2) send a certified letter or (3) come visit. If they do any of the three, then get a lawyer and don't say a thing to anyone but the lawyer.

In fact, don't say a thing to anyone anyway. Just as your friend might get leaned on to testify against the distributor, some of your friend's bros might get leaned on to testify against him. STFU.

This has the potential to fade away and it also has the potential to land your friend in prison. Don't say a thing to anyone but an attorney.

And no, I think it would be absolutely foolish to engage in illegal activities for the foreseeable future.
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Exactly...If the god damned phone rings there isn't a law saying you have to answer the ****ing thing! SO QUIT ANSWERING THE PHONE! FORGET ABOUT YOUR GOD DAMNED PHONE!

If my cell rings and I don't know who it is **** em! They either leave me a VM or they don't. My VM DOES NOT say who I am either. You either know me or you don't. End of story.
 
This is pretty simple...

If you're that worried, get a lawyer. If you're worried it is the feds, I wouldn't be confessing on the internet at all.

The hang up calls are probably to know when you're not home to search various things such as your trash (assuming they really care) or it could be to show the consistency that it is always you answering the phone to prove your phone confession as undoubtedly you.

Statistical evidence can be a *****, this could be the reason.

Ever hear the old lawsuit where statistics freaks sue fast food companies for their "serving time approximently" values? They go to the play several times (by several I mean a ****load) and use equations to prove that the serving time can't be right. They show the measure of error (which they can do with your case) and **** you.
 
skull said:
So if that agent calls my friend again ,are you saying not to call him back-- or call him back and say I wont say anything more without my lawyer and then STFUHow long should my friend lay low[no questionable activities??]I was thinking ,if nothing more happens I could "test the waters "early next year
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i cant imagine why you would have opened your mouth at all. its like the first, golden, ironclad rule. NEVER open your mouth.

You never even got a phone call in the first place. you dont know anything. you never confessed anything, you have NO idea who this guy is or why he is calling you. deny deny deny deny deny deny

and remember, confessing/telling the truth/cooperating GETS YOU NOWHERE.
 
ok, I get the idea dont answer the phone and STFU---would it raise any eyebrows at the post office if I get a PO BOX and keep my regular mailing address?---In the future of course---maybe in a different town?
 
jomi822 said:
i cant imagine why you would have opened your mouth at all. its like the first, golden, ironclad rule. NEVER open your mouth.

You never even got a phone call in the first place. you dont know anything. you never confessed anything, you have NO idea who this guy is or why he is calling you. deny deny deny deny deny deny

and remember, confessing/telling the truth/cooperating GETS YOU NOWHERE.
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well Ive been very lucky up till now and after a while you put your guard down ,dont think straight,and my wife was right there well he left the message,so to get her off my back[and to stop him from calling]I took a chance--didnt call him from my house, called him from work the next day--so maybe that can help in some way---if anything more happens
 
Spontanious confessions do not need to be mirandised. You should listen to the advice our resident wookie is giving.
 
skull said:
ok, I get the idea dont answer the phone and STFU---would it raise any eyebrows at the post office if I get a PO BOX and keep my regular mailing address?---In the future of course---maybe in a different town?
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Dude, if you're on a watch list, then getting a PO Box isn't going to fool anyone. In fact, doing so just makes your legal situation worse because the act of taking out the PO Box proves premeditation.

I'm trying to give you advice on how to stay out of trouble. I can't give advice on how to break the law.

IMHO, you're tainted. Just because the FDA doesn't have direct jurisdiction doesn't mean that they haven't passed your info on to people who do. You need to stop whatever illegal activity you were engaged in.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Spontanious confessions do not need to be mirandised. You should listen to the advice our resident wookie is giving.
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Not to mention that he wasn't even in custody or even vaguely detained by law enforcement. The Supreme Court has virtually eviscerated Miranda with a series of rulings and I cannot imagine trying to argue that a telephone call was the equivalent of a custodial stop of such strictness that it actually triggered a Miranda duty. :toofunny: I'd be held in contempt for wasting the court's time.
 
yeahright said:
Dude, if you're on a watch list, then getting a PO Box isn't going to fool anyone. In fact, doing so just makes your legal situation worse because the act of taking out the PO Box proves premeditation.

I'm trying to give you advice on how to stay out of trouble. I can't give advice on how to break the law.

IMHO, you're tainted. Just because the FDA doesn't have direct jurisdiction doesn't mean that they haven't passed your info on to people who do. You need to stop whatever illegal activity you were engaged in.
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OK,now Im looking into legal test /HRT/TRT---somthing qiuck and easy and not too expensive any ideas?
 
What concerns me is that with overwhelming evidence of suspicion you are incessant on pursuing or exploring methods or means in which to participate in activities that have now, and or otherwise will incriminate and or incarcerate you now and or in the future. Further more to do such in an open message board that is visited by all sorts of LE both local and federal. No disrespect, but can you be that dense....
 
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